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02-16-2007, 05:45 PM
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no offense but sopel 3.0? miller 3.0? labarbera 1.5? burke 2.0?........

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02-16-2007, 05:46 PM
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Jack Johnson's cap hit will be more than $850,000. I am 100% positive there will be bonus incentives.

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02-16-2007, 05:52 PM
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Yeah they are probably a bit high after looking at them again except Labarbera I could see getting close to that. I didn't put a lot of thought into and just put those numbers in off the top of my head while formatting the spreadsheet last night. I guess that is part of the reason I wanted to post it. So if we were to sign all of those players what do you think they would want for next season...leaving term out of it.

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02-16-2007, 06:14 PM
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They sure can. But if they choose to call him up he will have to go through re-entry waivers, and if picked up the Kings will be on the hook for 50% of his contract until it expires. Or if he still is hampered by his hip and knee problems, they can just place him on LTIR and he won't count towards the cap.

I am hoping the Kings either demote Cloutier and let him get his game back in Manchester or place him on LTIR and re-sign Burke and LaBarbera and go with them as the tandem in net.

The Norstrom and Blake contracts don't hurt too much considering the fact that they both expire next summer, same with Scott Thornton and Brian Willsie.

The Kings are sitting pretty well with their cap situation when you look 2-3-4 years down the road. They are not handcuffed with long-term contracts that is hampering them from retaining, moving or acquiring talent.
They should just keep Cloutier in Manchester all season like they did with LaBarbera. Maybe Clutz will get pissed off and retire. Bingo.

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02-16-2007, 06:17 PM
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Why is it whenever a player has a good streak everyone is in a hurry to resign him. What has Sean Burke proved? Honestly. Yeah, he is an upgrade over Cloutier and has helped our PK. Hes been in a hole for the last couple of years and there is a reason why he was on waivers. If he was worth signing belive me the Lighting would have signed him and would have played him. Everyone on here completely turned on JLB and he has a good year in the AHL and everyone is right back on the bandwagon. If i remember correctly. Jason had a great season in the AHL and won an award. And then the following year he was traded to LA and he started off strong and went cold. Every goalie is intitled to a hot streak. But based on the limted number of games Burke has played its too soon to say RESIGN him and he can be our starter.
As has been discussed numerous times, LaBarbera was incredible at the start of last season, then he had his family issue and his head wasn't in the game. he came on strong again at the end of the season when it appeared his family issue was no longer an issue. It was a shame he got sent down this year. He's showing once again that he can handle being a #1 goalie.

Burke will be a fine backup.

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02-16-2007, 06:18 PM
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(Willsie-scored that much in TB because he was in a good situation there, who else?...)
I think Willsie played for Washington.

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02-16-2007, 06:51 PM
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Cap space means zilch when the team doesn't use it.

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02-16-2007, 06:53 PM
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Ziggy, your post is eerily similar to a long post I was working on myself except I started dabbling in the "what ifs" related to 2008-2009 and the financial outlook to signing Visnovsky to a big contract. Anywho, I'll post up what I came up with regarding the 2007-2008 situation from my perspective...

Current Situation barring any trades:

Frolov ($2,900,000)
McCauley ($2,000,000)
Armstrong ($1,500,000)
Thornton ($1,500,000)
Brown ($1,175,000)
Kopitar($955,867)
O'Sullivan ($850,833)
Willsie ($850,000)

Total: $11,731,700

Blake ($6,000,000)
Norstrom ($4,250,000)
Tverdovsky ($2,500,000)
Visnovsky ($1,824,000)
Dallman ($477,500)

Total: $15,051,500

Cloutier ($3,100,000)

Total: $3,100,000

**Let us assume that the cap space increases to $47,000,000.

NHL Salary Cap: $47,000,000
Total Salaries: $29,883,200
Cash Available: $17,116,800

Michael Cammalleri's contract expires in 2007-2008.
  • Let's first take out $3,000,000 since that's the amount Lombardi allocated for injury/trades/minor league call-ups this season. This gives us $14,116,800 to play with for acquisitions.
  • Say 1 defense spot is taken by Jack Johnson who signs an entry level contract for the maximum of $850,000 per the NHL CBA. That leaves $13,266,800.
  • Jason Labarbera re-signs with the Kings and let's speculate he signs a 2-year contract worth $1,980,000 for an average of $990,000 -- leaving us with $12,276,800.
  • Jamie Lundmark re-signs for 2-years at $1,330,000 -- an average salary of $665,000 that drops the funds available to $11,161,800.
  • Cammalleri currently makes $1,700,000 right now and he's supposedly asking for money in the $3,500,000 ~ $4,000,000 range. If we raise his salary to the lower threshold at $3,500,000 -- we will have $9,811,800.
  • So we have $9,811,800 to play with to fill the roster space for 2 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 reserve forward.

Roster Total: $36,338,200

Cammalleri - Armstrong - Frolov ($7,900,000)
O'Sullivan - Kopitar - 0708 Forward ($1,806,700)
0708 Forward - Lundmark - Brown ($1,840,000)
Thornton - McCauley - Willsie ($4,350,000)

**0708 Reserve Forward

Forward -- Total: $16,346,700

0708 Defenseman - Visnovsky ($1,824,000)
Johnson - Blake ($6,850,000)
Norstrom - Dallman ($4,727,500)

**Tverdovsky ($2,500,000)

Defense -- Total: $15,901,500

Cloutier - Labarbera ($4,090,000)

Goalie -- Total: $4,090,000

If anyone thinks my numbers are off, by all means, correct me.

I'm personally inclined to having a youngster like Matt Moulson ($477,500) fill in on the third line so that it leaves $9,334,300 to be split up to sign Scott Hartnell for the second line slot next to Kopitar and someone like Brad Stuart or Sheldon Souray next to Visnovsky.

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02-16-2007, 07:16 PM
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Ziggy, your post is eerily similar to a long post I was working on myself except I started dabbling in the "what ifs" related to 2008-2009 and the financial outlook to signing Visnovsky to a big contract. Anywho, I'll post up what I came up with regarding the 2007-2008 situation from my perspective...

Current Situation barring any trades:

Frolov ($2,900,000)
McCauley ($2,000,000)
Armstrong ($1,500,000)
Thornton ($1,500,000)
Brown ($1,175,000)
Kopitar($955,867)
O'Sullivan ($850,833)
Willsie ($850,000)

Total: $11,731,700

Blake ($6,000,000)
Norstrom ($4,250,000)
Tverdovsky ($2,500,000)
Visnovsky ($1,824,000)
Dallman ($477,500)

Total: $15,051,500

Cloutier ($3,100,000)

Total: $3,100,000

**Let us assume that the cap space increases to $47,000,000.

NHL Salary Cap: $47,000,000
Total Salaries: $29,883,200
Cash Available: $17,116,800

Michael Cammalleri's contract expires in 2007-2008.
  • Let's first take out $3,000,000 since that's the amount Lombardi allocated for injury/trades/minor league call-ups this season. This gives us $14,116,800 to play with for acquisitions.
  • Say 1 defense spot is taken by Jack Johnson who signs an entry level contract for the maximum of $850,000 per the NHL CBA. That leaves $13,266,800.
  • Jason Labarbera re-signs with the Kings and let's speculate he signs a 2-year contract worth $1,980,000 for an average of $990,000 -- leaving us with $12,276,800.
  • Jamie Lundmark re-signs for 2-years at $1,330,000 -- an average salary of $665,000 that drops the funds available to $11,161,800.
  • Cammalleri currently makes $1,700,000 right now and he's supposedly asking for money in the $3,500,000 ~ $4,000,000 range. If we raise his salary to the lower threshold at $3,500,000 -- we will have $9,811,800.
  • So we have $9,811,800 to play with to fill the roster space for 2 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 reserve forward.

Roster Total: $36,338,200

Cammalleri - Armstrong - Frolov ($7,900,000)
O'Sullivan - Kopitar - 0708 Forward ($1,806,700)
0708 Forward - Lundmark - Brown ($1,840,000)
Thornton - McCauley - Willsie ($4,350,000)

**0708 Reserve Forward

Forward -- Total: $16,346,700

0708 Defenseman - Visnovsky ($1,824,000)
Johnson - Blake ($6,850,000)
Norstrom - Dallman ($4,727,500)

**Tverdovsky ($2,500,000)

Defense -- Total: $15,901,500

Cloutier - Labarbera ($4,090,000)

Goalie -- Total: $4,090,000

If anyone thinks my numbers are off, by all means, correct me.

I'm personally inclined to having a youngster like Matt Moulson ($477,500) fill in on the third line so that it leaves $9,334,300 to be split up to sign Scott Hartnell for the second line slot next to Kopitar and someone like Brad Stuart or Sheldon Souray next to Visnovsky.
Nice post! I seriously dont think Tverdovsky , Dallman will be with the Kings next year if we get some REAL d-man. And I think that Lombardi will trade Cammy before he gives him that 3.5 to 4 million. Because hes not better then Frolov. The point of having "home grown" players is to have them care for the team more then themselfs. And Cammy is that. But we wont get into that right now. And I belive that if the right players came along Lombardi would get closer to the cap because of the depth we will have in Manchester next year. But overall great post!

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02-16-2007, 07:22 PM
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Player Position 07-08_Cap_Hit
Frolov F 2.90
McCauley F 2.00
ArmstrongF 1.50
Thornton F 1.50
Brown F 1.18
Kopitar F 0.96
O’Sullivan F 0.85
Willsie F 0.85
PushkarevF 0.53
CammalleriF 3.50
Lundmark F 0.75
Ward F 0.70
KostopoulosF 0.75
Ivanans F 0.50

Blake D 6.00
Norstrom D 4.25
VisnovskyD 1.82
Dallman D 0.47
Sopel D 3.00
Miller D 3.00
Johnson D 0.85
LaBarberaG 1.50
Burke G 2.00

Total 41.36
Remainder 48 Cap 6.64
Don't see Ward coming back. I think they'll be looking for Tukonen to take the step up. Sopel? Hard to say with him. Miller? Well DL did say he wanted to re-sign him, but I don't see him being signed at $3 mill. I think $1.5-$2 mill. would be more accurate.

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02-16-2007, 07:30 PM
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[*]Cammalleri currently makes $1,700,000 right now and he's supposedly asking for money in the $3,500,000 ~ $4,000,000 range. If we raise his salary to the lower threshold at $3,500,000 -- we will have $9,811,800.[*]So we have $9,811,800 to play with to fill the roster space for 2 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 reserve forward.[/LIST]
I say give Cammelleri that type of money, but gradually. I posted a 4 year deal at LGK concerning what I'd like to see him get. 1st year: $2.5 mill. 2nd year: $3.5 mill. 3rd year: $4.0 mill. 4th year: $5 mill. IMO I think that's a fair deal for both Cammelleri and the Kings. That works out to a $3.75 mill. cap hit.

I think the Kings won't need to sign a reserve forward, they have enough in Manchester, and Lewis, Boyle, Parse, & Cliche could be making the jump to the AHL next season.

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