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View Poll Results: Which Dman would you rather have?
Marc-Andre Bergeron 16 17.78%
Matt Greene 74 82.22%
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02-17-2007, 06:57 PM
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MAB or Greene

Alright so this has been a longly debated subject between a buddy and I. Straight up, who would you rather have on this team today?

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02-17-2007, 07:44 PM
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They both suck. MAB has been given chance after chance - this is what he will be.

Greene has been just as bad. He was beaten by his man on Toronto's second goal. As LT mentioned, Greene hasn't really developed. Might as well get some value from his before his value is equivalent to Semenov's.

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02-17-2007, 08:12 PM
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i'll take greene, no question.

i'd just like to see greene get a chance to play with somebody who can help him out in his own end a bit. this defence pair reminds me of the old sean brown / tom poti duo from a few years back. they kept expecting poti to create all this offence, then when he'd get caught trying to make a play poor sean brown was back there to put out the fire. kind of wrecked both guys.

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02-17-2007, 08:33 PM
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pick your poison...both are terrible players but I guess Greene

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02-17-2007, 08:35 PM
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i think thats easy....matt greene

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02-17-2007, 08:57 PM
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I'm damn sick of Bergeron at this point, the guy seriously costs us a goal almost every game he plays. His pass tonight to Nedved was absolutely brutal, his inability to take the man cost us a goal against Buffalo... the list goes on and on. He's the first guy this team needs to upgrade if we ever want to go anywhere.

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02-17-2007, 09:45 PM
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Hard to blame both defencemen this year for lack of development... there is alot of pressure on all the defence with no real #1 and the forwards not really making it easy on them...

that said, Greene

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02-17-2007, 09:49 PM
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They both suck. MAB has been given chance after chance - this is what he will be.

Greene has been just as bad. He was beaten by his man on Toronto's second goal. As LT mentioned, Greene hasn't really developed. Might as well get some value from his before his value is equivalent to Semenov's.
Let us also remember that including last regular season Greene has barely played more than 1 season in the NHL. I am a big fan of LT's blogs and opinions but his comparison to Semenov is out to lunch.

We could just dump him like NJ/Toronto did with Jason Smith before waiting to see just how good he can be. I am not saying I would cry big rivers if Greene was dealt but at least dump MAB first, heck if Greene had someone less chaotic to play with he might be progressing a little smoother.


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I'm damn sick of Bergeron at this point, the guy seriously costs us a goal almost every game he plays. His pass tonight to Nedved was absolutely brutal, his inability to take the man cost us a goal against Buffalo... the list goes on and on. He's the first guy this team needs to upgrade if we ever want to go anywhere.
Yeah I totally agree his offense does not even offset how he hurts you defensively and other areas such as bad passing all over the ice.

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02-17-2007, 10:17 PM
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I think at this point both would be fine with a veteran stable partner. Bergeron is very inconsistant and a vetran partner could help keep him calm so his mistakes don't compound.

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I think at this point both would be fine with a veteran stable partner. Bergeron is very inconsistant and a vetran partner could help keep him calm so his mistakes don't compound.
How many defencemen can the Oilers afford to shelter at once though? Smid is currently playing minutes way above his head (the guy should be getting sheltered but the Oilers simply can't with Bergeron and Greene in the lineup) but at least he looks like he has a future as a top pairing guy.

Bergeron is still reasonably young but he hasn't improved his consistency at all and the Oilers need a reliable guy in the lineup to replace him.

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02-17-2007, 10:52 PM
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I actually wouldn't be adverse to trading Greene because of his stagnant development this season but even then he's leaps and bounds better than Bergeron.

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I actually wouldn't be adverse to trading Greene because of his stagnant development this season but even then he's leaps and bounds better than Bergeron.
I understand why some of you are down on Greene but this is realistically his first full year in the league. Next year will be big for him and that's when we'll find out if he can turn into Jason Smith or if he'll be more Alex Henry/Alexei Semenov. Bergeron has had a few years now to develop some consistency and he flat out hasn't improved at all on any of his weaknesses.

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I understand why some of you are down on Greene but this is realistically his first full year in the league. Next year will be big for him and that's when we'll find out if he can turn into Jason Smith or if he'll be more Alex Henry/Alexei Semenov. Bergeron has had a few years now to develop some consistency and he flat out hasn't improved at all on any of his weaknesses.
Agreed on Bergeron.

I guess the jury's still out on Greene. My POV is that if adding him to a package helps land that topflight young defenseman, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. I'm NOT advocating trading him for the sake of trading him, or trading him if the return isn't adequate.

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Agreed on Bergeron.

I guess the jury's still out on Greene. My POV is that if adding him to a package helps land that topflight young defenseman, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.
Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely move Greene if it meant we could get an upgrade on the blueline. I'd try and move Bergeron first though, he has a user-friendly contract and his offensive numbers might impress a few GM's and result in them looking beyond his blatantly obvious deficiencies.

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Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely move Greene if it meant we could get an upgrade on the blueline. I'd try and move Bergeron first though, he has a user-friendly contract and his offensive numbers might impress a few GM's and result in them looking beyond his blatantly obvious deficiencies.
Speaking of MAB, his value is hard to peg imo. He could get anything from an Andy Delmore type return to a 2nd round pick.

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since the oilers have them both--I say keep them both

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How many defencemen can the Oilers afford to shelter at once though? Smid is currently playing minutes way above his head (the guy should be getting sheltered but the Oilers simply can't with Bergeron and Greene in the lineup) but at least he looks like he has a future as a top pairing guy.

Bergeron is still reasonably young but he hasn't improved his consistency at all and the Oilers need a reliable guy in the lineup to replace him.
No doubt. The point I was making was that either one of them would be fine on the 3rd pairing with a verteran dman like a Salei or somebody.

Timonen Smith
Staios Smid
Bergeron Salei

Timonen Smith
Staios Smid
Greene Rivet

could both be pretty effective IMO

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Speaking of MAB, his value is hard to peg imo. He could get anything from an Andy Delmore type return to a 2nd round pick.
It's really tough to say, he's still young enough that a GM might be willing to move a pick and hope he improves. I really don't want to see him in the lineup next season though, Lowe gambled on him improving big-time this year and that gamble will likely cost us a playoff spot. Bergeron is playing the weakest minutes on the entire club and he's still struggling big time.

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LOL...wow it's a freakin' landslide!
And rightly so.

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It's really tough to say, he's still young enough that a GM might be willing to move a pick and hope he improves. I really don't want to see him in the lineup next season though, Lowe gambled on him improving big-time this year and that gamble will likely cost us a playoff spot. Bergeron is playing the weakest minutes on the entire club and he's still struggling big time.
Andy Delmore it is.

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Bergeron and greene are fine. I guarantee if we still had pronger this would not even be a discussion.

We need a good #1 dman that can play 30 minutes a night. That will bring down the toughness and number of all the other dmans minutes. The trickle down effect would make all our dmen better.

Granted with the amount of minutes they are playing right now they aren't effective. If we don't have a true number one(which we don't) we need a lot better defensive depth a la vancouver to be effective

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im not sure why Roy or Gilbert arent playing with us right now, they both looked decent at time mostly gilbert but anyways why are we dressing 7 d-men and reducing teh icetime for our young guys and use bergie for the PP, we hardly ever use the 4th line anyway, and im sure the guys wouldnt mind being double shifted every once in awhile.

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Why Y'all Haters???

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Why Y'all Haters???
It has nothing to do with hating, it has to do with watching the games and making educated assertions as to who is really hurting this team out on the ice. I question how even the most staunch Bergeron supporters could even possibly not acknowledge the fact that his struggles of late have really hurt this team (and don't pull out the whole "everyone is struggling" card, Bergeron has been particularly awful).

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It has nothing to do with hating, it has to do with watching the games and making educated assertions as to who is really hurting this team out on the ice. I question how even the most staunch Bergeron supporters could even possibly not acknowledge the fact that his struggles of late have really hurt this team (and don't pull out the whole "everyone is struggling" card, Bergeron has been particularly awful).

alot of us need to ask why is he struggling, and not just keep pointing it out ... the coaches obviously have done nothing to help him besides maybe sitting him or threatening to do so.

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