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02-20-2007, 08:32 AM
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We are not Sellers yet!!!!

Ok, I could be wrong but trading MAB doens't mean we are sellers, that deal makes us a better team today. We have 4 games before next monday. If we win all 4 we could be in the playoffs, not saying we will or won't, but it doesn't make sense for K lowe to make a deal untill then. Just hold tight, if we are going to be sellers it will happen soon enough, but IMO we arn't as of today.

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02-20-2007, 08:40 AM
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Ok, I could be wrong but trading MAB doens't mean we are sellers, that deal makes us a better team today. We have 4 games before next monday. If we win all 4 we could be in the playoffs, not saying we will or won't, but it doesn't make sense for K lowe to make a deal untill then. Just hold tight, if we are going to be sellers it will happen soon enough, but IMO we arn't as of today.
Read the Journal article today and that is what MacT is selling his troops!

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...e-b3336f836137

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Hell Ya Bro!

Thank you. The Oiler's are not sellers. Trading MAB doesn't mean we are not sellers!

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Thank you. The Oiler's are not sellers. Trading MAB doesn't mean we are not sellers!
What does it mean you trade a regular, experienced NHL defenseman for someone in another continent who hasn't made the NHL since he was drafted 5 years ago?

That you're making a push for the playoffs?

Please. Take the rose-coloured glasses off already.

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02-20-2007, 09:39 AM
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What does it mean you trade a regular, experienced NHL defenseman for someone in another continent who hasn't made the NHL since he was drafted 5 years ago?

That you're making a push for the playoffs?

Please. Take the rose-coloured glasses off already.
Hey I think they are sellers too but the Oilers players are convinced they are not.

Who am I to argue?

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What does it mean you trade a regular, experienced NHL defenseman for someone in another continent who hasn't made the NHL since he was drafted 5 years ago?

That you're making a push for the playoffs?

Please. Take the rose-coloured glasses off already.
so if they trade petersen, a regular NHL forward, are they sellers too?
come on think about it
bergeron was not going to play anymore on the road trip with shaggy back, bergersons shelf life here was expired

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so if they trade petersen, a regular NHL forward, are they sellers too?
come on think about it
bergeron was not going to play anymore on the road trip with shaggy back, bergersons shelf life here was expired
Yep two guesses who would have sat when Tjarnqvist returns and the obvious choice is Bergeron.

I'm still not convinced they are buyers mind you but I concede that this trade (in light of Tjarnqvist's pending return) may not signal they are sellers.

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so if they trade petersen, a regular NHL forward, are they sellers too?
come on think about it
bergeron was not going to play anymore on the road trip with shaggy back, bergersons shelf life here was expired
One of those things is not like the other, one of those things just does not belong...


I think we have to wait and reserve judgement. The team could go on a ridiculous tear and get themselves right back in it. But just for the record, I'm ok with the team not making the playoffs, because I know next year they will be back as good as ever and ready to try and take the division.

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Hey I think they are sellers too but the Oilers players are convinced they are not.

Who am I to argue?
I read that article and MacT's previous comments, and you know what struck me?

It is eerily reminicent of Danny Macocia's comments in the latter half of last season, as the Esks' year went slowly down the drain. Nearly word for word.

That's not exactly good karma, BTW.

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Hey I think they are sellers too but the Oilers players are convinced they are not.
Who am I to argue?
Maybe theres a quote somewhere but I don't get how any of us would know that.

Truly a case of actions speaking louder than words.

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I think a win tonight would go along way in rejuvinating this bi-polar board
gotta have faith guys this is a working class team and they wont be done until game 82!

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Maybe theres a quote somewhere but I don't get how any of us would know that.

Truly a case of actions speaking louder than words.
Read the All the news fit to be Oil thread and you will find the quotes and article I am referring too.

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First of all. MAB was playing horrible in Edmonton, where the media, fans and coaches were all over him. He wasn't happy in Edmonton. We have a defenceman coming off injured reserve. We have 5 games left against the Wild. There's no towel throwing yet. Rose colored glasses ?

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I think a win tonight would go along way in rejuvinating this bi-polar board
gotta have faith guys this is a working class team and they wont be done until game 82!
This team would need to ring off 5 straight to have a realistic hope.

Lowe's admitted he won't part with any future at the deadline.

Unless Lowe pulls a deal at the deadline you'd normally see at the draft, I see no reason for optimism for the remainder of this season.

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What does it mean you trade a regular, experienced NHL defenseman for someone in another continent who hasn't made the NHL since he was drafted 5 years ago?

That you're making a push for the playoffs?

Please. Take the rose-coloured glasses off already.
It means that MAB blows and K lowe is sick of rolling his eyes 5 times a game becuase of his mistakes. When we trade some one like Smyth, Smith, Sykora, we are officially sellers.

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What does it mean you trade a regular, experienced NHL defenseman for someone in another continent who hasn't made the NHL since he was drafted 5 years ago?

That you're making a push for the playoffs?

Please. Take the rose-coloured glasses off already.
It's called addition by subtraction, I believe.

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Certainly it looks like they are sellers now but, it all depends what other trade they do b4 the deadline.

Fans are always impatient and jump to conclusions.

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This team would need to ring off 5 straight to have a realistic hope.

Lowe's admitted he won't part with any future at the deadline.

Unless Lowe pulls a deal at the deadline you'd normally see at the draft, I see no reason for optimism for the remainder of this season.
QFT. While he is not a seller yet, he is certainly not a buyer yet.

Even if they rattle off 5 straight, are 4 back of Minnesota by the end of the month, you'll see minor moves not a major one. He KNOWS this team is not built for a run, and he will leave it this way. If, by sheer force of luck/will/Wild-suckage, they get in -- gravy.


Hypothetical Questions for discussion PDO . . .

Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky -- any of the three can carry
Torres-Stoll-Pisani -- this three are darn good at chip and chase
Moreau-MAP-Lupul -- Moreau and MAP can carry
Peterson/Jacques-Reasoner-Stortini/Thoreson

UFA#1-Smith -- puck movement comes from the left side
Hejda-Staios -- puck movement options on either side
Smid/Grebeshkov-UFA#2/Gilbert -- puck movement options on either side

Maybe, my glasses are too rosy, but it strikes me that this team has very few holes in it. The one obvious one to the left of Jason Smith, and the second is a >250 GP veteran on the right side of the third pairing.

The crappy starts of Horcoff-Pisani-Stoll (all three sucking was unexpected) and the uneven play of Torres-Lupul (expected) really put the team back. All three of these guys recovered their games by game 25- 25 -- but too late perhaps.

For a middling cost UFA#2 replaces Greene and provides a little more experience in this lineup. For an obviously premium cost UFA#1 eats any remaining Sykora savings and Tjarnquist money.

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Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky -- any of the three can carry
Torres-Stoll-Pisani -- this three are darn good at chip and chase
Moreau-MAP-Lupul -- Moreau and MAP can carry
Peterson/Jacques-Reasoner-Stortini/Thoreson

UFA#1-Smith -- puck movement comes from the left side
Hejda-Staios -- puck movement options on either side
Smid/Grebeshkov-UFA#2/Gilbert -- puck movement options on either side

Maybe, my glasses are too rosy, but it strikes me that this team has very few holes in it. The one obvious one to the left of Jason Smith, and the second is a >250 GP veteran on the right side of the third pairing.

The crappy starts of Horcoff-Pisani-Stoll (all three sucking was unexpected) and the uneven play of Torres-Lupul (expected) really put the team back. All three of these guys recovered their games by game 25- 25 -- but too late perhaps.

For a middling cost UFA#2 replaces Greene and provides a little more experience in this lineup. For an obviously premium cost UFA#1 eats any remaining Sykora savings and Tjarnquist money.
I definitely like that lineup - but I think we have to accept the fact that by the draft Lowe is going to be addressing needs by trade, and while it'll likely be an "overpay," it will be an overpay that the Oilers can handle.

That #1 defenseman HAS to be able to play very well on the PP. No way around it. That said, the Oilers have a lot of pretty chips. Specifically..

Lupul OR Torres, Greene OR Smid, Chorney OR Gilbert, Schremp OR Pouliot OR Jacques.

Honestly, the Oilers have too many guys that need bottom pairing/line minutes, so it only makes sense that we throw a ton of them together (and that's not to say they don't have value) and pursue the likes of a Pitkanen. Other options that the Oilers could pursue with a package like that are Hamhuis, Michalek, Keith, Kronwall, Kalinin, Martin, Tyutin, Whitney, Bouwmeester.

Obviously there's a lot more to it than that, but that's what I'm expecting for next year, and I'm personally assuming it's going to be Lupul and Greene as the roster players missing. Throwing out some salary numbers in this is always a necessary evil as well, so..

Smyth (5.25) - Horcoff (3.6) - Hemsky (4.1)
Torres (1.8) - Stoll (2.2) - Pisani (2.5)
Moreau (2.0) - Pouliot (1.0) - #3 RW (1.5)
Jacques (1.0) - Reasoner (.95) - Thoresen (.95)

Stortini (.8)

New D (2.5) - Smith (2.0)
Hejda (2.0) - Staios (2.9)
Smid (1.0) - Sean Hill (1.0)

Grebeshkov (.6)

Roli (3.6)
JDD (1.0)

Total salary = 37.75, but that's assuming the new D is a younger guy who's still signed for fairly cheap. That leaves us a lot of room for that RW (I want him to bang and have some finish - maybe we could lure Nolan here?

Either way, I agree that we were hurt by Horcoff, Stoll and Pisani all starting slow and that that shouldn't happen again next year. I love the look of that team assuming the D is someone on the upper end, and I think that that's a team that could go far and would still have a lot of assets left at the end of the season to make a big splash on soon to be UFA's at the deadline.

My main wants for next season are an improved PP and a much tougher bottom 6, and of course the obvious addition of a big defenseman.

Also, we should have our own AHL team next year, which is something we really missed in the aspect that we didn't have a Toby Petersen and a Dan Smith on the farm we could call up when the injury bug hit as hard as it did.

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02-20-2007, 05:31 PM
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That #1 defenseman HAS to be able to play very well on the PP. No way around it.
Precisely. Their ability to acquire the zone has been anywhere from absolutely atrocious to merely passable (versus low pressure PK'ers). We need the PP to retain top 15.

The forward and defence units for the PK would be pretty much the same as this year, so we could expect decent results there (top 5).

Simply getting back Moreau and reducing the d-zone time should let ES come back in to balance.

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Other options that the Oilers could pursue with a package like that are Hamhuis, Michalek, Keith, Kronwall, Kalinin, Martin, Tyutin, Whitney, Bouwmeester.
Assuming both Nashville and Buffalo go far (and they both should), they will have some pieces leaving and will still need to restock their cupboards. I like guys like Hill or Lukowich for that bottom pairing vet.


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Obviously there's a lot more to it than that, but that's what I'm expecting for next year, and I'm personally assuming it's going to be Lupul and Greene as the roster players missing. Throwing out some salary numbers in this is always a necessary evil as well, so..
Sadly, methink its Torres and not Lupul. Lupul just isn't attractive -- other than in an Upshall way. And if we're not making a deal on a short-term player . . . I doubt Lupul is the project somebody else wants. Torres is a more attactive project (hits, has shown some scoring, playoff experience).


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Total salary = 37.75, but that's assuming the new D is a younger guy who's still signed for fairly cheap. That leaves us a lot of room for that RW (I want him to bang and have some finish - maybe we could lure Nolan here?
Since in my world the hole is on LW, its too bad that Andrew Brunette is under contract for another year. He has to be about the best value for a veteran winger in the league right now. (< 1M, more points than Smyth)

Jacques is getting another audition, which means he is either a prospect of interest to a trading partner, or the coach wants to see how he has progressed. Will he be a Torres-like player down the line.

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Assuming both Nashville and Buffalo go far (and they both should), they will have some pieces leaving and will still need to restock their cupboards. I like guys like Hill or Lukowich for that bottom pairing vet.
Yup, a few other names that we could toss around for that vet are Vaananen, Skoula, Vishnevski and Sutton.


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Sadly, methink its Torres and not Lupul. Lupul just isn't attractive -- other than in an Upshall way. And if we're not making a deal on a short-term player . . . I doubt Lupul is the project somebody else wants. Torres is a more attactive project (hits, has shown some scoring, playoff experience).
I think you're right - but I think it's for different reasons. I think management truly believes in Lupul, and that's why he stays over Raffi. I'd say they both have very good value around the league, bad years or not.

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Since in my world the hole is on LW, its too bad that Andrew Brunette is under contract for another year. He has to be about the best value for a veteran winger in the league right now. (< 1M, more points than Smyth)
True - I either want that guy to be magic on the PP (Whitney? He'll be looking for a pretty big payday though...) or a big, tough, player who can physically dominate. Can never have too many of those :]

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Jacques is getting another audition, which means he is either a prospect of interest to a trading partner, or the coach wants to see how he has progressed. Will he be a Torres-like player down the line.
I think it's neither, and the team just wants to start giving away as many AB's to our young players we can.

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Of course we're not sellers yet, and I don't think we will be all out sellers this year either. I see it as a good thing too, it lets us get rid of some our dead weight. MacT has singled out and exposed the guys not helping the team and they will be dealt. Everyone here should have known if we're going to upgrade our defense, Bergeron had to be the first to go, he was clearly the weak link.

I still can't believe some of the reactions towards trading Bergeron. Is there people out there that honestly believed Bergeron was helping this team? Next please Lowe

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oilers should wait for the 27th before the start dealing players

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