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02-21-2007, 08:33 PM
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Other GM's asking for Horcoff

Darren Dreger said during the first intermission of tonights Sharks/Caps game that the Oilers have yet to decide if they'll be buyers or sellers, but said a lot of other GM's have been asking Kevin Lowe about Shawn Horcoff. Before the majority of you start rioting Dreger also stated that the price would be very high. My guess as to what Lowe would ask for would be a 1st, a 3rd, and a high end prospect. I would also guess Montreal would be the team most interested so maybe something like a 1st, a 4th, and Komisarek(I know he's not a prospect, but still a promising young d-man). If it was Atlanta, maybe there 1st, Coburn and Bourret with us throwing in a guy like Winchester.

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You trade Horcoff - the return better be good. We finally found a first line center - one must be coming the way back (high end prospect)

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Prospects and picks? That would make us not sellers but more like entering a 4 or 5 full blown rebuild.

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Prospects and picks? That would make us not sellers but more like entering a 4 or 5 full blown rebuild.
Yup. If we send him off for anyone who isn't at least 23 and very close to taking the jump, then this team may as well send off Moreau, Staios, Gator, Smyth and Roli as well.

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Prospects and picks? That would make us not sellers but more like entering a 4 or 5 full blown rebuild.
Actually you would just use the cap room to either replace him with a more elite guy(like Briere, Gomez) or you use the money elsewhere like on the blueline.....OR you use those picks and propsects that you get which will be so very much more valuable on draft day to help get an elite player.

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Actually you would just use the cap room to either replace him with a more elite guy(like Briere, Gomez) or you use the money elsewhere like on the blueline.....OR you use those picks and propsects that you get which will be so very much more valuable on draft day to help get an elite player.
Are we really that much better off if we have to spend $6,000,000 on a huge Briere deal?

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Are we really that much better off if we have to spend $6,000,000 on a huge Briere deal?
All I said was that it was an option.....I think you guys are overrating Horcoff a tad by saying that he's the end all be all of this team. If they felt that Stoll was healthy it's not exactly a bad time to deal him. BUT ONLY IF HE'LL BE HEALTHY.

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Are we really that much better off if we have to spend $6,000,000 on a huge Briere deal?
I wouldn't mind Drury, but Briere IMO i would say not, i would rather take Horcoff than Briere, Horcoff is simple more complete, and Briere dives...

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and Briere dives.... LOOOL. not that i disagree, but that was funny.

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Well, I never considered Horcoff to be a true #1 Center, so yeah, I'd trade him for a sure-fire prospect or two, assuming Stollie comes back healthy from his noggin bumps.

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What everyone else is saying about Stoll being healthy, trade Horc.

Pouliot looks great, we've got Brodziak, Reasoner, and Peterson to take up the other 3 spots. Even better if we get a young center back.

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Are we really that much better off if we have to spend $6,000,000 on a huge Briere deal?
I am not sure Briere would do well in the tighter West. I do think we would be a lot better with a 5 million Gomez though. I think he will be a 60+ assist guy for the next 5 years.

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For everyone saying lets trade Stoll, let me ask you this, is Stoll ready for 1st line duties Defensively?? I dont think so, not quite, i would rather fine-tune that department then consider trading Horcoff, i honestly believe trading him would be stupid, he's a great ES player, great PP player, good on the PK, i have no idea why we would trade him, yes he isn't as flashy as other #1 centers, nor does he have the name, but this guy is a #1 Center, i have no idea what else you could have asked for, more points, Definetly, but i think we will get more once Hemsky starts to Mature even more, i do think we keep him, trading him would mean a full fledge 3-4 year Rebuild, which would suck!

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I really am shocked whenever I bring up dealing Horcoff....don't get me wrong, I do like the guy, but I would think most of you would see that Stoll could be the 1st line centre as well, and that Pouliot is looking capable of being a 2nd or 3rd line centre next season. Combine those details with the cap room that would be saved, the return he would get us, and the fact that he has never produced without Smyth and Hemsky....I just don't see it as blowing up the team if he's dealt. Now if one of two things happend: 1) Stoll doesn't recover from PCS or 2) if we can't re-sign Smyth. If either of those two things happend then I'm with the rest of you, but Stoll is healthy, and Smyth is re-signed I don't think it's a bad play at all. But I personally don't think Lowe will move him.

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It would really suck to trade Horcoff; he's one of the team's heartbeats. If we can get a top-4 defenseman, or a guy who looks like he's ready to make the jump & something else juicy, then I think we have to consider it.

But for prospects and picks? Eff that.

With Pittsburgh looking like they could be a serious buyer in the next week or so, and eyeing guys like Smolinski, I wouldn't mind seeing if we could pry a guy like Welch away from them for anything we have.

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For everyone saying lets trade Stoll, let me ask you this, is Stoll ready for 1st line duties Defensively?? I dont think so, not quite, i would rather fine-tune that department then consider trading Horcoff, i honestly believe trading him would be stupid, he's a great ES player, great PP player, good on the PK, i have no idea why we would trade him, yes he isn't as flashy as other #1 centers, nor does he have the name, but this guy is a #1 Center, i have no idea what else you could have asked for, more points, Definetly, but i think we will get more once Hemsky starts to Mature even more, i do think we keep him, trading him would mean a full fledge 3-4 year Rebuild, which would suck!
Was there not talk on here not that long ago about how Stoll was the best 3rd line centre in hockey, and how he should be a Selke candidate??? I would say that people think he's pretty DAMN good defensivly! And Horcoff isn't a great PP player, if he was he would always be on our 1st unit.

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Was there not talk on here not that long ago about how Stoll was the best 3rd line centre in hockey, and how he should be a Selke candidate??? I would say that people think he's pretty DAMN good defensivly! And Horcoff isn't a great PP player, if he was he would always be on our 1st unit.
don't quote me on this, but i thought he was on our 1st unit.....lol

and dont get me wrong, Stoll is a damn good center, but i would rather take it slow then dumping him in the 1st line center, finding out he cant handle it, and screwing around looking for a 1st line center....JMO...

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Sorry for the off topic, but is Torres being shopped too?

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don't quote me on this, but i thought he was on our 1st unit.....lol

and dont get me wrong, Stoll is a damn good center, but i would rather take it slow then dumping him in the 1st line center, finding out he cant handle it, and screwing around looking for a 1st line center....JMO...
I honestly don't know if Stoll was ever used with Sykora and Hemsky, or with Smyth and Lupul or Smyth and Pisani on our 1st line....but I know he's never been used with Smyth and Hemsky which is our 1st line, no matter what's gone on this season. I kind of believe that most of the fans on here forget that heading into last season not a lot of people thought Horcoff and Stoll were a good combo to have down the middle and look how they turned out. I have faith in Stoll carrying the load of 1st line centre, and I have faith in Pouliot being a 2nd or 3rd line centre(a UFA possibly filling one of the spots that Pouliot doesn't). I do KNOW this, having to find a quality centre is a hell of a lot easier at the deadline then having to find a #1 d-man!

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Sorry for the off topic, but is Torres being shopped too?
Who knows what goes on in the back-rooms, but I don't know that any of our signed or impending-RFA players are/would be actively shopped right now.

Torres's name has come up in many a trade rumor all year. But so have Pitkanen, Khabibulin, Zherdev...so take that for what you will.

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Sorry for the off topic, but is Torres being shopped too?
I don't think he's being shopped unless it's for a stud d-man.....he's the type of talent that will always get interest though. He's the type of guy I would be all over if I was Ken Holland

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You trade Horcoff - the return better be good. We finally found a first line center - one must be coming the way back (high end prospect)
Please explain to me how Horcoff is a number 1 center? He struggled all season without playing with Hemsky and Smyth. To me that means that he need Hemsky and Smyth to actually be a good hockey player, where if he were a true #1 center then he wouldn't care who he had as linemates, as Horcoff would make those players better, not the other way around.

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Please Kevin Lowe. Unsaddled us of this burden. Free MacT to use Toby Petersen as our first line center. (jk)

I would listen very hard to any offers.

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Horcoff and Smith for Getzlaf
Horcoff and Smyth for Getzlaf and Penner

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I think it would be a great move

Shawn Horcoff is junk and he's been junk every year he's played and last year he got owned by Joe Thornton.

Plus, I heard it was Horcoff who told Lowe to make that stupid Pronger trade and then play Smid, Bergeron and Greene in the top six dmen.

What a dummy Horcoff is.

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