[QUOTE=AnthonyF27;8211464]I just don't think it's going to happen though. Who are you going to trade?
If you're in sell mode, you're not trading any younger guys.
So who do you have?
Nylander? Possibile, trade him then resign him back.
Nylanders wife just had a baby and he has 6 kids at home. No way he wants to be traded and if he is, Nylander will in no way come back.
I just don't think it's going to happen though. Who are you going to trade?
If you're in sell mode, you're not trading any younger guys.
So who do you have?
Nylander? Possibile, trade him then resign him back.
Nylanders wife just had a baby and he has 6 kids at home. No way he wants to be traded and if he is, Nylander will in no way come back.
I have a few problems with this logic. First, Nylander has a player option that it is widely assumed (and largely expected) that he will decline, and therefore he becomes a UFA. He could easily exercise the player option if it means staying in NY to play with Jagr, but Nylander hasn't done that, and nobody expects him to, so why wouldn't he want to explore the UFA market come 7/1?
And the fact that he has 6 kids, I think, means he may very well look for the best possible deal for him, and location might very well be secondary to money. Yes he has a big family, but he's been moved from Boston to Washington to New York over the last few years, and he did that with a big family, so I don't see having 6 kids being an obstacle to him going after a sizeable UFA contract.
That's how I feel. You've got maybe Nylander and not much else.
Weekes is hurt.
Shanahan is hurt.
Maybe you move a guy like Ward or Rachunek, but I don't know what you realistically expect to get back for them.
The Rangers might get some later picks, but not nearly the return some think.
Nylander would land you a first, but then you REALLY have a team that can't score and I'm not really a fan of having Lundqvist losing 12 out of 15 games down the stretch.
Even ignoring the fact that we have little to sell, I am still of the opinion that a "firesale" would be detrimental to this team moving forward. The return we'd receive on a possible sale is of no importance to me, because trading away vital players at this juncture sends a poor message to the remaining players in the locker room.
The Devils are a great hockey team, because the attitude they have extends from management to the team personnel and right through to the players. It's been passed on from year to year and it always starts with management.
By trading away a Nylander or Ward and Rachunek (or whoever else might leave) you're sending the message that it's ok to pack it in. We're 4 points out and even though things do not look good, you can bet your ass that our rivals across the Hudson wouldn't be packing things in no matter the time of year.
The time for a firesale hasn't passed, it just never arrived. Quite simply we're still too close and as long as the players feel they can do it, having a firesale would be seriously detrimental to the long-term welfare of this club.
Even ignoring the fact that we have little to sell, I am still of the opinion that a "firesale" would be detrimental to this team moving forward. The return we'd receive on a possible sale is of no importance to me, because trading away vital players at this juncture sends a poor message to the remaining players in the locker room.
The Devils are a great hockey team, because the attitude they have extends from management to the team personnel and right through to the players. It's been passed on from year to year and it always starts with management.
By trading away a Nylander or Ward and Rachunek (or whoever else might leave) you're sending the message that it's ok to pack it in. We're 4 points out and even though things do not look good, you can bet your ass that our rivals across the Hudson wouldn't be packing things in no matter the time of year.
The time for a firesale hasn't passed, it just never arrived. Quite simply we're still too close and as long as the players feel they can do it, having a firesale would be seriously detrimental to the long-term welfare of this club.
we had our firesale a few years ago with nedved, de Vries, kovalev, malakhov, simon, barnaby, and a rucinsky, we don't need another one now and we don't have much to trade as already pointed out
i dont think we will find any takers for ward with his contract and i think he has played well enough to deserve to be here, he is playing hurt, not just the hand, you can tell from his play, especially his skating he is not 100%
players that i would move, only rachunek is a must go, defensemen are coveted come playoff time and it appears he will be the odd man out next season with rozsival, malik, ward, tyutin, girardi and then theres staal, baranka, and possibly pock
rachunek may be able to get something of decent value, a prospect or he could be packaged for a younger player who could help us now
he is the only player besides weekes, who is hurt, that i would really like to see shipped out
nylander could be traded, but it would have to be for the right price and to be honest i don't think sather will throw in the towel, i expected him to try and move rachunek, a pick and a prospect for a big name defensemen possibly blake, maybe brewer, maybe morris or a Jovo type
so Tyutin, Malik, Rachunek, Staal, Girardi, plus 1?
excuse me if that doesn't excite me.
This team is foolish if they think a petty return on Roszival outweigh's his contribution as a Ranger. The guy has been a rock for us this year and is someone the young guys can really settle in playing along side of him. Do not trade Roszival even if we are sellers.
but look at how successful sather has been with ufa defensemen, we have karpa, ulanov, strudwick, kasper, rozsival, malik, and ward... clearly that track record is getting better but no real winners in that bunch, rozsival would be his best acquistion IMO of those mentioned
im sorry if i don't have much hope for sather going out and signing a savior type of defensemen this summer, i have a feeling he will sign an over the hill 2nd pair defensemen when we need a solid 1st pair defensemen to either play with tyutin or possibly staal depending on his pre-season
Brewer seems destined for UFA status... but will he be worth it? UFA d-men are increasingly asking for larger contracts. Isn't Brewer rumored to want 4 years in the neighborhood of 3.5 M/year?
I'm not against going the UFA route at all... it just has to be done smartly, as in avoiding those cap suffocating contracts.
but look at how successful sather has been with ufa defensemen, we have karpa, ulanov, strudwick, kasper, rozsival, malik, and ward... clearly that track record is getting better but no real winners in that bunch, rozsival would be his best acquistion IMO of those mentioned
im sorry if i don't have much hope for sather going out and signing a savior type of defensemen this summer, i have a feeling he will sign an over the hill 2nd pair defensemen when we need a solid 1st pair defensemen to either play with tyutin or possibly staal depending on his pre-season
sorry but it is rare that you get a #1-2 D man without drafting one or giving up the house to trade for one. You have to settle for those support D men and draft the backbone defensemen.
We've drafted some VERY good ones, now we need to watch them develope.
oh sweet. so we sign a couple of FA d-men to long term deals when the cap is increasing instead of keeping two defensemen signed to reasonable contracts. perfect.
oh sweet. so we sign a couple of FA d-men to long term deals when the cap is increasing instead of keeping two defensemen signed to reasonable contracts. perfect.
I'm not sure we need to sign a couple FA d-men, but I think we could use 1 solid signing of a #1/2 guy. This team has too many 4/5/6 guys and needs to start upgrading. Sign one first pair FA and I think next season's D can be solid.
sorry but it is rare that you get a #1-2 D man without drafting one or giving up the house to trade for one. You have to settle for those support D men and draft the backbone defensemen.
We've drafted some VERY good ones, now we need to watch them develope.
rare to get a 1-2 defensemen via ufa? maybe for this team but hatcher, blake, jovo, and plenty of other top defensemen have been ufa's over the last few seasons, we just never sign them, we go for washed up, no names, or 2nd or 3rd pair d-men
you asked if we ever heard of UFA and now you are saying lets watch the kids develop? you can't have it both ways, either we retain rozsival, malik, ward, tyutin, rachunek, and girardi (as the 7 man) leaving one spot for staal or we sign a UFA d-man and staal and baranka don't even have a chance
so what do you want? id like to deal rachunek (part of a package with a pick and a prospect, maybe immo, maybe dawes) and try to get a rob blake type to pair up with staal as our first pair
tyutin and ward as the 2nd pair
rozsival and malik as the 3rd pair
and girardi as the 7 man
baranka stays in the minors for the call up
pock will be a ufa so im assuming he will sign elsewhere
rare to get a 1-2 defensemen via ufa? maybe for this team but hatcher, blake, jovo, and plenty of other top defensemen have been ufa's over the last few seasons, we just never sign them, we go for washed up, no names, or 2nd or 3rd pair d-men
you asked if we ever heard of UFA and now you are saying lets watch the kids develop? you can't have it both ways, either we retain rozsival, malik, ward, tyutin, rachunek, and girardi (as the 7 man) leaving one spot for staal or we sign a UFA d-man and staal and baranka don't even have a chance
so what do you want? id like to deal rachunek (part of a package with a pick and a prospect, maybe immo, maybe dawes) and try to get a rob blake type to pair up with staal as our first pair
tyutin and ward as the 2nd pair
rozsival and malik as the 3rd pair
and girardi as the 7 man
baranka stays in the minors for the call up
pock will be a ufa so im assuming he will sign elsewhere
I pretty much agree with you...but is it really likely that Staal gets placed on the 1st pairing in his NHL debut? How often does a rookie get this out of the gate?
I pretty much agree with you...but is it really likely that Staal gets placed on the 1st pairing in his NHL debut? How often does a rookie get this out of the gate?
well i agree that is alot of pressure for a rookie, but if we play him with rob blake, hed have a pretty good partner to be learning from who hopefully could help him make up for his lack of experience
regardless staal will at least merit 2nd pair minutes, hopefully he will play with a solid veteran, look at what kasper did for tyutin? tyutin is our best defensmen by far, he is clearly our most physical and thats because he learned from kasper, i want staal to learn the right way, and i don't think we have anyone on this team right now who could show him the right way to play defense and when to use his offensive abilities, rob blake sounds like the right player for the job IMO
rare to get a 1-2 defensemen via ufa? maybe for this team but hatcher, blake, jovo, and plenty of other top defensemen have been ufa's over the last few seasons, we just never sign them, we go for washed up, no names, or 2nd or 3rd pair d-men
you asked if we ever heard of UFA and now you are saying lets watch the kids develop? you can't have it both ways, either we retain rozsival, malik, ward, tyutin, rachunek, and girardi (as the 7 man) leaving one spot for staal or we sign a UFA d-man and staal and baranka don't even have a chance
so what do you want? id like to deal rachunek (part of a package with a pick and a prospect, maybe immo, maybe dawes) and try to get a rob blake type to pair up with staal as our first pair
tyutin and ward as the 2nd pair
rozsival and malik as the 3rd pair
and girardi as the 7 man
baranka stays in the minors for the call up
pock will be a ufa so im assuming he will sign elsewhere
yeah, there are one or two (top 2 defensemen) a year of which 10 teams are plying for. So you have to overpay a player to a long term cap crushing contract. If you are willing to pay that price they are available. I do not think the Rangers are a team in position to make that sacrifice.
Watching the kids grow is my position of handling our future defense. You are the one who wants the BIG names to get excited about.
Recently our problem has been scoring goals not stopping them.
Even ignoring the fact that we have little to sell, I am still of the opinion that a "firesale" would be detrimental to this team moving forward. The return we'd receive on a possible sale is of no importance to me, because trading away vital players at this juncture sends a poor message to the remaining players in the locker room.
The Devils are a great hockey team, because the attitude they have extends from management to the team personnel and right through to the players. It's been passed on from year to year and it always starts with management.
By trading away a Nylander or Ward and Rachunek (or whoever else might leave) you're sending the message that it's ok to pack it in. We're 4 points out and even though things do not look good, you can bet your ass that our rivals across the Hudson wouldn't be packing things in no matter the time of year.
The time for a firesale hasn't passed, it just never arrived. Quite simply we're still too close and as long as the players feel they can do it, having a firesale would be seriously detrimental to the long-term welfare of this club.
As a whole I tend to agree with you.
I think there are guys on this roster who should hopefully be around to be built around and added to.
yeah, there are one or two (top 2 defensemen) a year of which 10 teams are plying for. So you have to overpay a player to a long term cap crushing contract. If you are willing to pay that price they are available. I do not think the Rangers are a team in position to make that sacrifice.
Watching the kids grow is my position of handling our future defense. You are the one who wants the BIG names to get excited about.
Recently our problem has been scoring goals not stopping them.
No i don't want big names just for the sake of having for big names, but i want staal to learn from the right partner. do you want staal playing with rachunek next season or maybe pock? i made my point before about tyutin and kasper, if you want to ignore it thats your business, but its very clear that there is no partner here to mentor staal, no one on this team has his potential offensive and defensive ability and if he is rushed or plays with the wrong type of player it could seriously impact him
i don't want us to sign sakic because we need a number one center, i want staal to play with a proper partner next season, if we could get someone else cheaper id be very interested in that, but what do you suggesst? you haven't given us any other options or ideas about what you want? you want to watch the kids grow, so we see
rozsival-malik
tyutin-ward
rachunek-staal next season?
sorry if that doesnt sound very promising
and im sure you noticed those goals we gave up were on defensive failures, ward skating to the middle instead of staying with prarise in NJ the other night, ward with a bad turnover causing the prarise goal in NY
our defense needs an upgrade, and inserting kids will not solve many of the problems
i dont want to mortgage the future but losing rachunek a pick and a prospect for blake, playing him with staal will not crush this team finacially, we will be rid of ozo's deal, rachunek's money, staal will not be very expensive at all, it is a serious option
