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02-28-2007, 03:41 PM
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I have to say I'm fairly impressed.

I didnt think it would be possible for anyone to be down on such a ridiculously good trade, one that is so low-risk/high-reward.

But there it is...

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02-28-2007, 04:01 PM
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I have to say I'm fairly impressed.

I didnt think it would be possible for anyone to be down on such a ridiculously good trade, one that is so low-risk/high-reward.

But there it is...
Exactly. I don't see how Sather could have passed up this deal at all. Say what you want about Bourret's attitude or commitment to getting in shape, but this was basically a no-brainer. If he pans out, great, if he doesn't, no big loss. Dupuis' absence won't kill the Rangers.

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02-28-2007, 04:20 PM
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I hear ya, and I agree Dupuis was expendable. But what if...Bourret never makes it out of the AHL. Is it still a good trade?
Yes.

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02-28-2007, 04:32 PM
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Here the real question - since Maloney revealed that, if the Rangers stayed at 16, Bourret was their pick, and Bourret was taken with that pick, the draft day deal for Staal essentially works out to Dom Moore, Philly's 2nd round pick in 2005 and the Rangers' 3rd round pick this year for the right to draft Marc Staal. Everyone still making that deal?

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02-28-2007, 04:33 PM
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It's not a question of what would I have done, this may turn out to be a good trade. Then again it may not, so I think I'm going to wait and see before I fall in love with the trade like so many have here. And with Renney's track record of using young talent, who knows if/when this kid will get the chance to show us it was a good trade?
Well, he's certainly given Marcel Hossa a chance and plenty of time. If you want to pull the Prucha card, I'd agree with you to some extent. Assets can always be used better, sooner, longer, what ever. There is plenty of criticism that can be directed at Renney & Co., but the one thing they should be given credit for is sticking to their guns. They promised they would not give away youth for age and they have stuck to that.

They have essentially now given us two first round picks for both the '04 and '05 drafts. I have to admit that's not too bad.

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02-28-2007, 04:34 PM
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At the end of the day even if Bourret becomes a player like Sean Avery he's going to have nice value.

I don't think Alex is a future superstar but I sure as heck have a pretty good idea of what Dupuis was at this point.

For all the crap we say about not trusting Sather, Maloney etc. we really don't have much to complain about with selling the farm and moving young players to complain about.

Two years in a row everyone has just been waiting for that excuse to have an emotional breakdown at the deadline and two years in a row we're picking at straws.

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02-28-2007, 04:48 PM
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At the end of the day even if Bourret becomes a player like Sean Avery he's going to have nice value.

I don't think Alex is a future superstar but I sure as heck have a pretty good idea of what Dupuis was at this point.

For all the crap we say about not trusting Sather, Maloney etc. we really don't have much to complain about with selling the farm and moving young players to complain about.

Two years in a row everyone has just been waiting for that excuse to have an emotional breakdown at the deadline and two years in a row we're picking at straws.
If Bourret becomes another Avery it's an outstanding trade. I'll take one or two more Averys any day. And I agree it's nice he didn't seel the farm for something immediate. I was a little worried when Renney said they need help, but Sather held firm.

I would have liked to see a few more prospects from the 2004 purge pan out, but let's see what happens with Bourret.

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02-28-2007, 05:39 PM
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Two years in a row everyone has just been waiting for that excuse to have an emotional breakdown at the deadline and two years in a row we're picking at straws.
That's right. Two years of relatively solid deadline action, which has led to Sather earning a small amount of my trust back.

He did make the Ozolinsh gaffe, but I'll allow him a mistake from time to time. Especially considering what we saw from Ozolinsh was possibly the worst possible outcome. He brought little offense, was terrible defensively, and his contract hurt us in terms of seeking other help during the off-season.

I still think I'm in a state of shock over this deal. I know Donny is desparate to make the show down there, but jeez...

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02-28-2007, 05:48 PM
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If Bourret becomes another Avery it's an outstanding trade. I'll take one or two more Averys any day. And I agree it's nice he didn't seel the farm for something immediate. I was a little worried when Renney said they need help, but Sather held firm.

I would have liked to see a few more prospects from the 2004 purge pan out, but let's see what happens with Bourret.
Brandon Dubinsky, Lauri Korpikoski, Jarkko Immonen, Michael Sauer, Dane Byers, Greg Moore, and Billy Ryan are all still developing.

You might even wish to throw guys like David Liffiton and Bruce Graham (who's doing his best to earn a promotion back to the AHL with ppg production) into the mix, although I think he hasn't progressed as some would have liked.

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02-28-2007, 07:06 PM
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I love it.

I'll be honest and say I had a mild interest in Bourret before the 05 draft. I wasn't too high on him, but wasn't against drafting him. So basically Dominic Moore got us Alex Bourret... this is a joke, right?

What is Waddell smoking?

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Exactly. I don't see how Sather could have passed up this deal at all. Say what you want about Bourret's attitude or commitment to getting in shape, but this was basically a no-brainer. If he pans out, great, if he doesn't, no big loss. Dupuis' absence won't kill the Rangers.
I'm not a Sather booster but he is and has always been a superior trader. That is his strength. He is weak in the draft and free agent acquisitions.

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thankfully, maloney does a good job in the draft

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That's right. Two years of relatively solid deadline action, which has led to Sather earning a small amount of my trust back.

He did make the Ozolinsh gaffe, but I'll allow him a mistake from time to time. Especially considering what we saw from Ozolinsh was possibly the worst possible outcome. He brought little offense, was terrible defensively, and his contract hurt us in terms of seeking other help during the off-season.

I still think I'm in a state of shock over this deal. I know Donny is desparate to make the show down there, but jeez...
The real key will be signing the right veteran players, something that he hasn't gotten down yet.

But I don't have many complaints about the last two three deadlines.

For what the rangers gave up, I think they got prospects who stood a chance.

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02-28-2007, 08:23 PM
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At the end of the day even if Bourret becomes a player like Sean Avery he's going to have nice value.

I don't think Alex is a future superstar but I sure as heck have a pretty good idea of what Dupuis was at this point.

For all the crap we say about not trusting Sather, Maloney etc. we really don't have much to complain about with selling the farm and moving young players to complain about.

Two years in a row everyone has just been waiting for that excuse to have an emotional breakdown at the deadline and two years in a row we're picking at straws.
Amen! Now that that issue is out of the way, what about that Lindros trade? How about that Bure deal?

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02-28-2007, 08:26 PM
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Brandon Dubinsky, Lauri Korpikoski, Jarkko Immonen, Michael Sauer, Dane Byers, Greg Moore, and Billy Ryan are all still developing.

You might even wish to throw guys like David Liffiton and Bruce Graham (who's doing his best to earn a promotion back to the AHL with ppg production) into the mix, although I think he hasn't progressed as some would have liked.

And a 30 goal scorer in Hartford by the name of Ryan Callahan.

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These are 2 deals that this team needed to make. Instead of pursuing the pipe dream that is the PO's this was a deal that better suited the Rangers today and I',m glad that Sather was able to recognize that
I agree and I like both deals, but if it's true that the team has acknowledged the playoffs a pipe dream, more should have been sold off.

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02-28-2007, 09:09 PM
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thankfully, maloney does a good job in the draft
with an assist from Gordie Clarke

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02-28-2007, 09:11 PM
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I'm a bit confused guys, b/c I've heard both, but did we trade the 3rd rounder in this deal, or did we get Atlanta's third rounder?

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02-28-2007, 09:34 PM
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I'm not a Sather booster but he is and has always been a superior trader. That is his strength. He is weak in the draft and free agent acquisitions.
I can think of a few trades that were absolute steals. Carter for Jagr. Novak, Ulanov and picks to Florida for Bure. And even though he wasn't that good his second time around, Sather gave up nothing more than spare parts to get Kovalev. It's not like he gave Pittsburgh high draft picks for him.

Although I must say in many of these cases it's just teams making salary dumps. The fact that Sather works for the Rangers, with their seemingly limitless budget pre-lockout, made things more feasible than they would be had he remained in Edmonton or some other small market. So in that sense Sather was at the right place (NY) at the right time (Florida, Washington, and Pittsburgh rebuilds).

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I'm a bit confused guys, b/c I've heard both, but did we trade the 3rd rounder in this deal, or did we get Atlanta's third rounder?
Add me to the confused list. I have see it both way including this on Bourett's page on TSN:

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New York Rangers traded Pascal Dupuis to the Atlanta Thrashers for Alex Bourret and a 3rd round selection in 2007.

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no way we got a 3rd AND Bourret..

both Rangers and Thrashers sites say we gave up a 3rd Rounder..

http://www.nyrangers.com/pressbox/pr...es.asp?id=2710

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I agree and I like both deals, but if it's true that the team has acknowledged the playoffs a pipe dream, more should have been sold off.
The only other person movable would've been Nylander and I think that they want to keep him and re-sign him before he ever touches the market.

I mean, who else? Malik? Would anyone even take him?

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The only other person movable would've been Nylander and I think that they want to keep him and re-sign him before he ever touches the market.

I mean, who else? Malik? Would anyone even take him?
i could see pen look at malik....or rachunek

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I just went over and looked at reactions to this trade and I had to smile.

Bourret may not ever amount to anything, but trying to convince yourself that getting Dupuis is a potential steal for him at this point is a comical stretch at best.

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I love it.

I'll be honest and say I had a mild interest in Bourret before the 05 draft. I wasn't too high on him, but wasn't against drafting him. So basically Dominic Moore got us Alex Bourret... this is a joke, right?

What is Waddell smoking?
if u think that is bad what about the Bruins. Nick Boynton turned into Aaron Ward Boynton was dealt for Mara who was dealt 4 Ward. I wish we got Nick Boynton as well. We can use a big physical dman.

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