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02-28-2007, 12:24 AM
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People were all hollering for the Smyth trade, now it happened, and everyone is upset. all i can do is laugh at those people.
I have no problem with Smyth being dealt - in fact I fully support the idea as if he is your #1 player your team is not very good as evidenced by the past decade. That said, I think Lowe needed to get a better ROI in this deal. The players he got aren't much different than the Pouliot, Petersen, JFJ, Brodziak's that are in the farm. Defensive help would have been more preferrable (Okposo as a forward should have been included). That said the deal is done and they have chips.

I re-iterate, Ryan Smyth is not worth 6 and that is clearly what he was fighting for if the deal was unmakable. This season was a wash anyway. I will reserve judgement, like most should, following the summer month free agent signings and or trades. I think the team is moving forwards not backwards and they now are forced to re-establish an identity - one that was lacking all year.

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No, you got chided for talking crap, being wrong, disappearing while it was happening, then coming back with the same bag of goodies.
I didn't think Lowe could get it done like he did with pronger. he did and I was glad to be wrong. I doubt he can do it again and I doubt anyone of any substance will sign here.

have you ever admitted to being wrong>?

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There better damn well be a swap of prospects and picks this summer for a big name player. The way the fans reacted tonight -- and I don't think a few months will dull the seething anger to any significant degree -- the Oilers will practically have to sign some name UFAs, make a big splash with a trade AND make an offer to Smyth just to regain any kind of positive PR.

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I thought Lowe did a heckuva job on Spacek for instance. Jumped early and indentified a guy who made a really difference for long stretches of his tenure as an Oiler. Tarnstrom was hurt when they got him. Samsanov had one game really..G6 vs Det. It was worth a gamble but it wasn't awe-inspiring. I will disagree and say Lowe got lucky on Roli because he did wait so long and if the Dys hadn't didn a total tankjob the Oilers wouldn't have made the playoffs in the first place. Roli wound up being great but the Oilers were keeping a lot of shots to the outside as well and Roli was brutal at times down the stretch when he was blowing the rust off. And hey I geeked out on the Pronger deal. Maybe not here but certianly on IOF and I just assume everyone checks all the diff Oilers spots online anyway. Or at least I do
My question is...

After being away from here through the good (last year), why come back this year?

I mean you stayed away for a reason correct?

What drew you back?

I mean, I disagree with you on a lot of things, but at least you back it up, so I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.

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02-28-2007, 12:29 AM
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And I think there's a positive...

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There better damn well be a swap of prospects and picks this summer for a big name player. The way the fans reacted tonight -- and I don't think a few months will dull the seething anger to any significant degree -- the Oilers will practically have to sign some name UFAs, make a big splash with a trade AND make an offer to Smyth just to regain any kind of positive PR.
to be found in that negative.

I watched the game on TV tonight and there was a much bigger buzz for the Fuhr ceremony and no offense to Grant but that's just not sensible. But what do you expect? 94's been the face for awhile and now you're dealing him for guys that aren't in the league or aren't in the AHL. The natives can be forgiven for being restless and from my view they haven't been restless enough.

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I didn't think Lowe could get it done like he did with pronger. he did and I was glad to be wrong. I doubt he can do it again and I doubt anyone of any substance will sign here.

have you ever admitted to being wrong>?
Yes I have. And I'm at least always in the same spot, wrong or right. I don't take off when things I continually talk about are proven wrong, then comeback again nearly a full year later when I can look around and say "it was all a fluke, I so called that".

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to be found in that negative.

I watched the game on TV tonight and there was a much bigger buzz for the Fuhr ceremony and no offense to Grant but that's just not sensible. But what do you expect? 94's been the face for awhile and now you're dealing him for guys that aren't in the league or aren't in the AHL. The natives can be forgiven for being restless and from my view they haven't been restless enough.
agreed. the Oilers have been the prime example of mediocre hockey for the past decade. last season's cup run would've never happened had Vancouver not **** the bed. People in Edmonton are too used to seeing big name players get shipped out for "the future." Well the future is now, and after tonight's game it makes me want to vomit.

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to be found in that negative.

I watched the game on TV tonight and there was a much bigger buzz for the Fuhr ceremony and no offense to Grant but that's just not sensible. But what do you expect? 94's been the face for awhile and now you're dealing him for guys that aren't in the league or aren't in the AHL. The natives can be forgiven for being restless and from my view they haven't been restless enough.
Putting aside my own mixed emotions about the deal, it's pretty evident to see that the majority of fans (or at least the ones that bought the tickets this year) will not let this one go easily.

Personally, I think the deal had to be done given the position Lowe put himself in. The reason my feelings are mixed? Lowe shouldn't have been in this position to begin with.

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My question is...

After being away from here through the good (last year), why come back this year?

I mean you stayed away for a reason correct?

What drew you back?

I mean, I disagree with you on a lot of things, but at least you back it up, so I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.
at least by my eye anyway is that it's pretty quiet when things are bad. I wasn't here last year, I was reading though, because everyting was going good and A: I agreed with most that was being said here and B: the blogs were going hot so lots to debate there. And I'm more of a matchups guy these days and that was the talk in those parts and that still hasn't soaked the soil here at HF. But then things are bad these places are the most fun and especially for a guy like me that always looks at the dark side PLus I got more into the prospects and some fellows here have some good opinions on those guys.

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02-28-2007, 12:35 AM
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I don't ever remember saying the run was a fluke

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Yes I have. And I'm at least always in the same spot, wrong or right. I don't take off when things I continually talk about are proven wrong, then comeback again nearly a full year later when I can look around and say "it was all a fluke, I so called that".
it was about having an awesome top four D and guys like horc and pisani and torres growing up all the same time. maybe you don't visit the blogs, or none where i blurb, but I never called it a fluke.

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it was about having an awesome top four D and guys like horc and pisani and torres growing up all the same time. maybe you don't visit the blogs, or none where i blurb, but I never called it a fluke.
I meant the trades. And luck was probably a more appropriate word.

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Putting aside my own mixed emotions about the deal, it's pretty evident to see that the majority of fans (or at least the ones that bought the tickets this year) will not let this one go easily.

Personally, I think the deal had to be done given the position Lowe put himself in. The reason my feelings are mixed? Lowe shouldn't have been in this position to begin with.
Why in the hell did he wait so long? Why not set a deadline a day or so prior to the trading deadline? give yourself some time to shop around and get the best deal possible. this was "Oh ****! We only have 20 minutes left until we're screwed! Hurry up and get Garth Snow on the phone!"

where was the planning? Lowe talked about facing this possible reality in his presser, so he goes out and makes a trade for two "prospects" and a draft pick which the Oilers love to waste.

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Why in the hell did he wait so long? Why not set a deadline a day or so prior to the trading deadline? give yourself some time to shop around and get the best deal possible. this was "Oh ****! We only have 20 minutes left until we're screwed! Hurry up and get Garth Snow on the phone!"

where was the planning? Lowe talked about facing this possible reality in his presser, so he goes out and makes a trade for two "prospects" and a draft pick which the Oilers love to waste.
Do you base anything on reality, or do you just make **** up so that you can see something beside your name?

According to several sources, Lowe has been working on deals with several teams for a few days now. It wasn't until the last minute that Lowe finally settled on one.

This must be some Oilfans disease where people make **** up because it's what they want to hear...

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the seeds were planted for this last summer

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Putting aside my own mixed emotions about the deal, it's pretty evident to see that the majority of fans (or at least the ones that bought the tickets this year) will not let this one go easily.

Personally, I think the deal had to be done given the position Lowe put himself in. The reason my feelings are mixed? Lowe shouldn't have been in this position to begin with.
I hate to believe Meehan but i've heard enough lies from Lowe that I'd just as soon side with Meehan, and I feel dirty for even thinking that, but apparently they talked contract with teh Oilers this summer and then edm said no more talk until the end of the season. and then lowe goes and pays everyone else, or at least tries to and then comes back to 94 later on.

Lowe is such a blowhard that it's easy to pick him apart. I'm listening to the presser right now and Lowe says the team's gonna be aggressive in the FA market in one breath and then later on Jones asks if he'll make a promise but Lowe says things will have to fall to within salary scale and so on and so forth. so yeah they'd be agressive but we'll see. if they don't spend the money than that's fine cos the EIG can find a place for the cash.

now don't get me wrong because as an expos fan I saw Brochu painted with the black hat and he had a job to do and Lowe's probably the same. that being said I think he made the wrong move not getting this done early and there might not be a barrel of money on the float, and **** the EIG for that, but I think there was enough that it didn't have to end like this.

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This must be some Oilfans disease where people make **** up because it's what they want to hear...
They also base player value on what they have in their head...

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Why in the hell did he wait so long? Why not set a deadline a day or so prior to the trading deadline? give yourself some time to shop around and get the best deal possible. this was "Oh ****! We only have 20 minutes left until we're screwed! Hurry up and get Garth Snow on the phone!"

where was the planning? Lowe talked about facing this possible reality in his presser, so he goes out and makes a trade for two "prospects" and a draft pick which the Oilers love to waste.
According to some sources Lowe had the deal worked out with NYI prior to today just in case Smyth didn't re-sign. Which is exactly what happened. Can't fault him for not spending time beforehand, imo.

I can (and will) criticize him for two things:

(a) not extending a Smyth offer to all teams -- by only contacting teams they thought were good fits, Lowe limited the number (and potentially quality) of offers that were on the table

(b) overpaying for other lesser players in the offseason -- which lead to this whole 500-750K difference being the breaking point.

You can argue that Ryan Smyth at 5.75M would be a tough bargain. While that's true, if Pisani was making 1.75 and Horcoff was making 3, it'd be a whole lot easier to work with.

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According to some sources Lowe had the deal worked out with NYI prior to today just in case Smyth didn't re-sign. Which is exactly what happened. Can't fault him for not spending time beforehand, imo.

I can (and will) criticize him for two things:

(a) not extending a Smyth offer to all teams -- by only contacting teams they thought were good fits, Lowe limited the number (and potentially quality) of offers that were on the table

(b) overpaying for other lesser players in the offseason -- which lead to this whole 500-750K difference being the breaking point.

You can argue that Ryan Smyth at 5.75M would be a tough bargain. While that's true, if Pisani was making 1.75 and Horcoff was making 3, it'd be a whole lot easier to work with.
is why didn't lowe also have backburner deals for Jussi and 71 and maybe even Reasoner if you believe in Brodziak.

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Hello blind Oiler faithful. We have money now for free agents. So bloody what. NOBODY will sign in Edmonton and the only hope is through the draft and trades (then people hold out anyways). Sad to be an Oiler fan these days. Really, really sad.All the new NHL has done is let free agents pick where they want to go, and Siberia it aint. get used to it. This team will always be mediocre. I am not a troll. i am a realist.

And what in the hell is Petr Sykora still doing on this team?
Sykora signed. You disproved your whole point right there. Have you talked to every player in the league to back up your ascertion that nobody will sign here? If you find it sad to be an Oiler fan these days well, there's 29 other franchises you can cheer for. Pick one and go post your fatalistic dreck on their board.

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Lowe said during the game today that he hopes to "be busy" in the off season and pick up some good vets to help our young core team. I think it's very likely we'll land someone big if we dont get Smyth back. IF he doesn't do much to our defence he needs to go though. seriously. if he goes into next season thinking like this season i'm going to kill him.

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is why didn't lowe also have backburner deals for Jussi and 71 and maybe even Reasoner if you believe in Brodziak.
Do you believe what you write, or are you trolling?

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You can argue that Ryan Smyth at 5.75M would be a tough bargain. While that's true, if Pisani was making 1.75 and Horcoff was making 3, it'd be a whole lot easier to work with.
Both Horcoff and Pisani's deals are off the books by the time years 4 and 5 of Smyth's contract would kick in. They have no bearing on the fact that Smyth wanted that much money that late into the contract, which by all accounts the sticking point.

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I see a trend in Lowe's thinking.

For Pronger, we get the Grandson of an owner. For Smyth, we get the son of a scout. I wonder if he's got his eye on Dave Hunter's baby?

The kid might help us in 2026. I bet he plays a mean two-way game which should please Coach Toby Pederson.

C'mon, am I the only one who thought he looked pregnant? Either that or he ate Risto Siltanen.

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is why didn't lowe also have backburner deals for Jussi and 71 and maybe even Reasoner if you believe in Brodziak.
If Lowe really thinks he can do a mini-rebuild in short time (i.e. this season is our rebuild and next season is contention time again), I could understand if he would want to re-sign Sykora and Jussi.

The other possibility is if Lowe just simply spent a lot of time trying to sign him and didn't leave himself much time for anything else. That's a horrible thought to entertain.

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I see a trend in Lowe's thinking.

For Pronger, we get the Grandson of an owner. For Smyth, we get the son of a scout. I wonder if he's got his eye on Dave Hunter's baby?

The kid might help us in 2026. I bet he plays a mean two-way game which should please Coach Toby Pederson.

C'mon, am I the only one who thought he looked pregnant? Either that or he ate Risto Siltanen.

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I think the point that people are missing is that no RFA would sign an offer sheet to play in Edmonton. Big names like Drury and Briere aren't going to come here either.... that's just history and it's not going to change.

When was the last time a *SUPERSTAR* UFA who wasn't past his prime signed for a Canadian team? It's not going to happen.

I also think that the Oilers should try to parlay those picks into a deal, as the draft history is a bit on the weakside.

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