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02-28-2007, 03:40 AM
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What will be/should be the offseason moves?

Let's move on people, because we have too. Most of us knew that this team was done anyways. I also think most would agree that Lowe dealt Smyth to a place where he's likely NOT to re-sign, so we should have another crack at the guy this summer.

Having said all this it is a team that is flat out LOADED for the future. We have everything, except top end talent. So what are we going to do at the draft? Are we going to deal these picks for players? Are we going to package these picks for a top 3 pick? Are we going to stand pat like always and get 3 more decent but not great prospects? And then we got all this cap room....are we going to fill Smyth's void through a trade? Through free agency? If we can bring him back are you willing to go to 6 million a year for the guy? Or does Lowe keep re-building through next season and wait for the 08 offseason for a shot at Thornton, Heatley, Redden, and the Calgary Flames? A lot of questions to be answered. Here are some potential targets for the team both via free agency or via trade:

Nathan Horton - According to that report during All-Star weekend he wants out of Florida, haven't heard anything since then(if someone has new news please do share it). Amazing talent, would be a hefty price tag not to mention would be asking for close to 3 million a year this summer as he's a RFA.

Wade Redden - I've been banging on this one for months now as most of you know. Cost? I'm guessing 2 roster players(a top 9 and a d-man)and a decent propspect. Maybe something along the lines of Torres, Greene, and Jacques(this is just a guess). Will be on the last year of a 6.5 mil a year deal, would most likely sign an extension with Edmonton though.

Nikoli Zherdev - Again amazing talent, has had his problems in Columbus this year and I believe will be dealt in the offseason. I think would cost less then Horton, but still a good price. The problem here is that we have Lupul, Hemsky and Nilsson all on the right side now....if we did deal for him either Lupul or Nilsson would go the other way so I don't see much of a point here....however he's just like Hemsky and I think the organization likes him

Danny Heatley - This would be a very huge long shot for him to be dealt with the year he's had.....however, for the same reasons Redden could be dealt Heatley could too, but a bigger price tag here. Heatley will be on the final year of his deal, and will be looking for an extension for around 6-6.5 mil a year. I think a lot of Oiler fans would be willing to pay huge for the guy, but it wouldn't be worth it unless we could get an extension out of him. I think Ottawa though is a lot more likely to deal Redden given the belief they would like to re-sign both Phillips and Priessing, Meszaros being ready for a bigger role, and signing Heatley to a big extension as well.

Peter Forsberg - Well, he did almost sign here once before....could it happen a 2nd time around? That is if he doesn't retire! Peter still has it, but of course is so injury prone. When healthy he might still be better then Crosby or Lecavalier. I think Lowe will take a run at him again.

Scott Hartnell - A guy that plays a lot like Ryan does, and is 6 years younger. Would probably command 3.5-4 mil a year on the open market, but would be a great buy for this team. There have been rumblings of him interested in comming home. Even though he used to beat my *** every time I would play against him growing up, I would still love to see him in Oiler silks!

Daniel Briere - Brings a simular leadership quality that Ryan Smyth did, isn't as gritty but has a lot more pure skill. He's a game breaker. Could be the guy that would turn Lupul from a floundering 15-20 goal guy like he's been this season to a 30-40 goal guy like we all know he's capable of.

Scott Gomez - Phenominal playmaker, again would be a great fit with Lupul. Has great speed, Cup rings, knows his own end well....only problem is that he would cost over 6 mil a year I believe.

I'm not going to go into all of them, but I believe these are guys that Lowe could be looking hard at this summer. For what it's worth I believe we will bring in two guys with big contracts(my money would be on Smyth and a trade for Redden) and still sign another significant name(Hartnell), and fill out one or two spots with guys in the 2 mil a year range. I would also look for the 3 1st rounders to be packaged for the top pick, but if that's a no go, look for the bottom 2 to be packaged for a top 10 pick. Also, if Seabrook or Pitkanen could still be had during the summer(if they ever were)we will be hot after one of them. IMO EIG has put themselves in a posistion where if they don't spend somwhere around 45 mil next year(assuming the cap goes to 48) they could start losing a lot of fans. They just ripped the heart out of the team, so they had better do some serious damage control this summer to win the fans back.


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I expect a combination. We have cap space to pursue the UFA market. I fully expect plays to be made towards players like Timonen, Rafalski, and the like.

The heavy crop of prospects and draft picks, and will also give us options both for acquiring defensemen through trade (I don't know how available players like Redden would be, but I would not be against that).

As for your players:

Horton: Great player. I know he had some injury issues. Don't know if that's still an issue or not.

Redden: Would love to have him. Am skeptical as to Ottawa's desire to trade him though. I probably wouldn't, but then again, it's possible to overload him with assets. Removing his contract would still allow Ottawa to acquire UFA defensemen.

Zherdev: Just personal bias, but I've never really liked this guy. No real reason for thinking it...just get a "bad vibe" about him.

Heatley: Would be a solid pickup for offense. Again, skeptical if Ottawa would do this trade. A lot depends on their success this year. As a footnote, since you mention Heatley, I'm curious if there could be a push for someone like Hossa. Atlanta just fleeced the future of their organization, and it's not even certain they'll make the playoffs. Our large selection of picks and prospects could be something they are looking for.

Forsberg - A great player still, but always has the injury concern. Though, as before, I expect him to not sign in the Northwest (except for Colorado) out of respect for his old team. Maybe it's not an issue for him any more, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Scott Hartnell - All I can say is I think he'd be the guy that would help people get over Ryan Smyth. He's certainly someone I would not mind filling the new LW void.

Briere - Excellent talent. Phenomenal player. Bringing him in would also allow us to trade either Horcoff or Stoll to perhaps fill in a hole elsewhere. At this stage I still think Horcoff is more valuable to the organization, though Stoll has gotten better.

Scott Gomez - Similar to Briere. Bringing him in allows us to trade one of Horcoff or Stoll, both of whom I feel are established enough to be of significant value in a trade.

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Yeah don't ask me why I didn't even make mention of Rafaski or Timmonen in this thread, I'm tired and I guess I have guys in my head that I believe this organization will target instead. The Redden thing for me is a big hunch. But I know Lowe loves the guy(pushed to get him BEFORE Pronger), I know Ottawa will need to clear some cap space to re-sign Phillips, Priessing and Comrie as well as sign Heatley to a big extension. I think there fans would like to think they could just move Corvo and Gerber but I really think they missed the boat by not doing that at the deadline. Gerber is finally showing promise of not being a bust and d-men are so highly in demand that a team probably would have taken a chance on Corvo. Again, not like he would be free, but I honestly see a draft day deal for him, unless they make a serious run this year.

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Nothing will happen because no one with a big name will want to sign with a rebuilding Edmonton, especially being a rebuilding canadian team, after what happened after the deadline.

Only way is a trade and Lowe has the pieces but won't move them to overpay for someone.

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I know this is the stigma, and I do feel that it does have at least some merit.

But I don't think the "rebuilding" image has much to do about anything though. Chara had no problem going to Boston, and they weren't exactly world beaters last season.

If all things are equal, location will make an impact. But in the end, money does help.

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Does anyone have a link to a list of this year's UFA (*by position*)?

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Who's to say Lowe doesn't package Lupul, a defensive prospect and 2 1st for Pitkanen and the 1st overall pick. On draft day I mean.

These extra picks and prospect, along with the cap space, give Lowe alot of flexibility.

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Since Lowe won't do an RFA offer sheet (gut feeling), I am standing by my drunken predictions of yesterday.

Resign Smyth and Hedja as UFA.
Horcoff + Smith + all 3 1sts to Philly for Pitkanen and their 1st. We draft Turris.

Then we let this young core mature into a team. If we are going to rebuild I really Hope Lowe manages to get a top 3 pick this year as we need a Turris, Kane, Cherepanov level player.

Hemsky
Lupul
Stoll
Torres
Turris
Schremp
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Nilsson
Pouliot
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O'Marra


Pitkanen
Smid
Greene
Gilbert
Chorney
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Since Lowe won't do an RFA offer sheet (gut feeling), I am standing by my drunken predictions of yesterday.

Resign Smyth and Hedja as UFA.
Horcoff + Smith + all 3 1sts to Philly for Pitkanen and their 1st. We draft Turris.

Then we let this young core mature into a team. If we are going to rebuild I really Hope Lowe manages to get a top 3 pick this year as we need a Turris, Kane, Cherepanov level player.
Why re-sign Smyth if you are going to go and trade away 2 quality vets in Smith and Horcoff?

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Why re-sign Smyth if you are going to go and trade away 2 quality vets in Smith and Horcoff?
Because Smyth means more to the team then Smith or Horcoff. Smyth could return and be a leader on the team with Moreau and Staios to show the kids how to play and work hard. Smytty was the heart and soul of the team. Getting that back would help the kids along the way

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bring on scotty hartnell...i would be ecstatic if we got him...briere i don't think would sign here...would we be able to afford redden?...horton and gomez are two other pretty good players...

but i hope we can change the tide against us when it comes to free agents...

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1. Sign Briere.

With $6 million off the books, the room is there to offer Briere big bucks. He's the perfect fit for this organization.

2. Trade Horcoff.

He apparently has some value among GMs, which he should. What that value is is unknown, but at the very least, a return of futures and budget space to the tune of $3.6 million would be welcome.

3. Sign Slava Kozlov.

Horcoff's $3.6 million combined with Sykora's $2.9 million mean $6.5 million to work with. Kozlov has 65 points in 64 games to date, and makes $2.3 million. Heading to free agency, the bidding may get awful high, but he'd be a welcome addition at $3.5 million.

4. Re-sign Hejda.

Awfully effective at a cheap price. $1 million should get it done.

5. Sign Hamrlik

Or whoever the Flames don't resign between he and Stuart. Will fly under the radar, but a potentially cheap signing that would bolster the club a good deal.

Kozlov ($3.5)-Briere ($6.0)-Hemsky ($3.6)
Torres ($1.2?)-Stoll ($2.2)-Lupul ($2.53)
Nilsson-Pouliot-Pisani ($2.5)
Moreau ($1.75)-Reasoner ($0.95)-Stortini

Thoresen ($0.54)

Hamrlik ($3.5)-Smith ($3.0)
Staios ($2.9)-Smid ($0.721)
Hejda ($1.0)-Greene ($0.95?)
Gilbert

Roloson ($3.5)
JDD

40.32 excluding the contracts of Nilsson, Pouliot, Stortini, Gilbert and JDD, of whom I don't know there value.

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1. Sign Briere.

With $6 million off the books, the room is there to offer Briere big bucks. He's the perfect fit for this organization.

2. Trade Horcoff.

He apparently has some value among GMs, which he should. What that value is is unknown, but at the very least, a return of futures and budget space to the tune of $3.6 million would be welcome.

3. Sign Slava Kozlov. No

Horcoff's $3.6 million combined with Sykora's $2.9 million mean $6.5 million to work with. Kozlov has 65 points in 64 games to date, and makes $2.3 million. Heading to free agency, the bidding may get awful high, but he'd be a welcome addition at $3.5 million.

4. Re-sign Hejda.

Awfully effective at a cheap price. $1 million should get it done.

5. Sign Hamrlik No

Or whoever the Flames don't resign between he and Stuart. Will fly under the radar, but a potentially cheap signing that would bolster the club a good deal.

Kozlov ($3.5)-Briere ($6.0)-Hemsky ($3.6)
Torres ($1.2?)-Stoll ($2.2)-Lupul ($2.53)
Nilsson-Pouliot-Pisani ($2.5)
Moreau ($1.75)-Reasoner ($0.95)-Stortini

Thoresen ($0.54)

Hamrlik ($3.5)-Smith ($3.0)
Staios ($2.9)-Smid ($0.721)
Hejda ($1.0)-Greene ($0.95?)
Gilbert

Roloson ($3.5)
JDD

40.32 excluding the contracts of Nilsson, Pouliot, Stortini, Gilbert and JDD, of whom I don't know there value.
I don't mind the rest of you're moves, but Kozlov is overrated and some team is going to give him $5M this summer because of this season, and Hamrlik is old an not as effective.

I would rather see them sign Hartnell and a defenseman like Timonen, Phillips, Markov, Rafalski or even Stuart.


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If we can trade Shawn Horcoff to free up more money that would be great, but I don't think that will happen, so anyways....

What I would like to see is something like this....

Re-sign Torres, Greene and Hejda, Sykora.

For UFA's I wouldn't mind seeing Timonen, Gomez, in Oilers colours.

Sykora - Gomez - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Lupul
Horcoff - Pouliot - Thoresen
Moreau - Reasoner - Pisani

Timonen - Smid
Staios - Greene
Smith - Hejda

Roloson
JDD/DD

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Because Smyth means more to the team then Smith or Horcoff. Smyth could return and be a leader on the team with Moreau and Staios to show the kids how to play and work hard. Smytty was the heart and soul of the team. Getting that back would help the kids along the way
Yeah, but why spend the $5.5 mil just to suck? Why not make an actual effort to get back to 2005-2006?

If you are going to rebuild... rebuild. Don't pull a Columbus and re-build with bad contracts.

Signing Smyth to that kind of deal, and proceeding to suck for 4 out of 5 years makes no sense.

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Sign one from each group:

C. Philips
S. Hannan
D. Markov
A. Markov


B. Stuart
S. Souray
B. Rafalski
K. Timonen


C. Drury
D. Brier
P. Datsyuk
P. Kariya
S. Gomez

R. Whitney
L. Nagy
R. Smyth
J. Blake
T. Bertuzzi

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Sign one from each group:

C. Philips
S. Hannan
D. Markov
A. Markov

B. Stuart
S. Souray
B. Rafalski
K. Timonen

C. Drury
D. Brier
P. Datsyuk
P. Kariya
S. Gomez

R. Whitney
L. Nagy
R. Smyth
J. Blake
T. Bertuzzi

Now I know I am new to posting here, but are you kidding me?

Your first group will be looking for around 4 million. Your second group will be in the 5-6 million range. The third group will be in the 6-7 million dollar range. Finally, your last group will be in the 5-6 million dollar range.

Assuming the lesser end for each group you are looking at a mininum increase of $20,000,000.

Hopefully what you actually meant was one defenseman and one forward. Otherwise you have some serious issues comprehending market value.

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Now I know I am new to posting here, but are you kidding me?

Your first group will be looking for around 4 million. Your second group will be in the 5-6 million range. The third group will be in the 6-7 million dollar range. Finally, your last group will be in the 5-6 million dollar range.

Assuming the lesser end for each group you are looking at a mininum increase of $20,000,000.

Hopefully what you actually meant was one defenseman and one forward. Otherwise you have some serious issues comprehending market value.
You are mostly correct. But what I meant is this. Sign a high end offensive d man and good defensive guy. Personally I want two 3.5 million dollar d men added and one 5+ million dollar forward, I would love to see us sign Drury and Philips and trade Horcoff and a first or two for Pitkanen, something like that. But we can't always get what we want. I just put a few names up of guys I would like to see the oilers try to make a play on.

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I would be thrilled if Lowe could sign Hartnell and one of the top tier defencemen in the off-season. Looking at Hartnell, he seems poised to break out next season if he can stay healthy. He essentially now has three straight twenty goal seasons (he had 18 goals in 59 games in 2003-04) and he's still only 24 years old. I see no reason why Hartnell can't be a consistent 30 goal 60 point guy for a loooong time and that's damn valuable when you consider all the intangibles he brings to the rink.

If Hartnell is a no-go, Calder could be a reasonable solution if some of the higher-priced guys fall through (but I would only accept that if we manage to land someone like Markov).

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You are mostly correct. But what I meant is this. Sign a high end offensive d man and good defensive guy. Personally I want two 3.5 million dollar d men added and one 5+ million dollar forward, I would love to see us sign Drury and Philips and trade Horcoff and a first or two for Pitkanen, something like that. But we can't always get what we want. I just put a few names up of guys I would like to see the oilers try to make a play on.
Understood

Ideally I would want to pursue a couple UFA's that are a bit younger and that we can keep for a few years.

First off I would swap Lupul over to LW. Then I would make a strong pitch for Hartnell ($3,600,000), Pressing ($2,500,000), Sarich ($2,500,000) and bring in Backstrom for a back up ($1,200,000). Then re-sign Torres and Greene for a small raise. Hopefully since we did not trade Sykora, that means he wants to be here and he will sign for around $2,500,000.

Lupul ($2,535,000) Horcoff ($3,600,000) Hemsky ($3,600,000)
Sykora ($2,500,000) Stoll ($2,200,000) Hartnell ($3,600,000)
Torres ($1,200,000) Pouliot ($942,400) Pisani ($2,535,000)
Moreau ($2,750,000) Reasoner ($950,000) Thoreson ($570,000)


Preissing ($2,500,000) Smith ($1,976,000)
Smid ($984,200) Sarich ($2,500,000)
Staios ($2,900,000) Greene ($950,000)

Roloson ($4,000,000)
Backstrom ($1,200,000)


Total payroll $43,992,600. Which is not too bad and it makes our lineup a lot stronger than it is currently.
Any thoughts???

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Pavel Datsyuk is a UFA too...

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Total payroll $43,992,600. Which is not too bad and it makes our lineup a lot stronger than it is currently.
Any thoughts???
I would drop Sarich and Preissing and add one upper tier guy like A. Markov, Stuart or Timonen and add either Hejda or Gilbert to the lineup along with that guy. Otherwise, I like the way that looks. I think a Hartnell-Horcoff-Lupul line could be very effective for us but it might be wise to try and "force" some chemistry between Lupul and Hemsky.

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I would drop Sarich and Preissing and add one upper tier guy like A. Markov, Stuart or Timonen and add either Hejda or Gilbert to the lineup along with that guy. Otherwise, I like the way that looks. I think a Hartnell-Horcoff-Lupul line could be very effective for us but it might be wise to try and "force" some chemistry between Lupul and Hemsky.
I was about to type the exact thing.

As "solid" as those 2 d men are I want a guy that is a horse. A true #1 guy. I am a huge Preissing fan but think at this point we need to get our kids playing and I would rather do that then put Smid and Greene in the AHL.

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I would drop Sarich and Preissing and add one upper tier guy like A. Markov, Stuart or Timonen and add either Hejda or Gilbert to the lineup along with that guy. Otherwise, I like the way that looks. I think a Hartnell-Horcoff-Lupul line could be very effective for us but it might be wise to try and "force" some chemistry between Lupul and Hemsky.


That was generally where I was going when I mentioned swapping Lupul over to LW.
Two players basically the ame age, same experience who's "skillset" SHOULD be a very strong match up.

I remember going and watch them play over at the U of A this summer. Specifically when those 2 were on the ice together.
They did have some chemistry. Lupul was finding the open area in the slot and Hemsky was putting the puck exactly where it was needed.
I understand that they were basically playing shinny, but any sort of similar wave-length has to be better than what we have seen from #15 this year.

I also agree with maybe spending the kitty on that solid #1 d-man. I just do not think we will have the money to get that player. We have seen the value of that type of defenseman sky rocket in the last 2 years and the really solid d-men available are probably going to command 6-7 million. If that true number 1 guy is there then jump on it and slide Gilbert in there as well.

I think we could get by with a solid top six. Preissing is a better puck mover than anything we had this year and Sarich would be your poor man's Philips.

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The way I figure it, Torres, Hejda, Greene all sign, short term for around 1.5 million in total raises (around 2 for Torres, around 1.2 for Hejda and Greene). That money is offset by the salary decrease in Roli and if Maarkanen is replaced by JDD or a guy with an entry level deal.

Sykora probably resigns for a small raise. Tjarnqvist walks, offsetting the raises to Moreau and Staios.

Lupul gets a raise of a million.

That means we're about 2.5 million dollars under this year's budget. That gives us 2.5 million + whatever budget increase we get with which to fill our needs.

Sykora - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Lupul
Moreau - Reasoner - Pisani
Pouliot - Thoreson - Jacques - Stortini - Nilsson

Smith - Staios
Greene - Smid
Hejda - Roy - Grebeskov - Gilbert

That group needs a legitimate top 6 goal-scoring forward, either a legitimate #1 defenseman or 2 speedy, competent top-4 defensemen, and maybe a veteran depth defenseman.

Assuming our salary budget goes up 5 million dollars, that's 7.5 million to spend.

I do not think Pisani is overpaid. I do not think he is playing poorly. But I think Pisani has to be traded because as long as our budget is lower than the cap, we can't afford 2.5 million for a third-line/utility player. That's not to say he's not valuable, it's just to say that with our need to attract a top forward and a top defense, I don't think it's the best allocation of our resources.

I'd trade Pisani - and there will be teams with more budget space who will be able to afford to pay a solid checking/utility winger 2.5 million . I'd replace him with, say, Gelinas or York, and estimate the savings there to be $500,000 - $750,000.

So now we have 8 - 8.5 million to spend.

I would try to trade for a defenseman. I'd try really hard to swing a deal with Nashville for ideally Hamhuis, but more likely Zidlicky. I'd use our picks and prospects as the main currency for this, allowing Nashville to resign Timonen and Kariya and recover from trading their last 2 1st round picks (and other prospects). Let's say, hypothetically, the Isles' first, Grebeshkov, Patrick Thoresen. Would that and the $3.5 million in cap space make that a good deal for Nashville this offseason?

Assuming we can make that trade, that leaves around 5 million in budget space.

I spend 3 of it on Darryl Sydor. That seems reasonable for what Sydor would get, I think. 9 million, 3 years.

With
Zidlicky - Smith
Smid - Staios
Sydor - Gilbert
Hejda - Greene - Roy - Syvret - Chorney

I think that's the sort of mobile blue-line we need to succeed, and it gives us the flexibility of packaging one of our young d-men for a cheaper scoring forward than we could sign on the free agent market. Ryder might be the bargain here, Horton the prize.

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