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02-28-2007, 10:57 AM
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why didnt we get biron?

simple question really... why didnt we trade for biron if all it cost was a 2nd rounder? i would have been willing to trade anaheims 1st rounder for him actually... he has a career .909 save%, hes only 29 years old and we could have signed him for probably the same amount that we have roli signed....we could have then traded roli for whomever wants him for picks or for free really

this would have given us a younger goalie for the future (since i guess thats what this team is now about, the future).... roli is really only good for next year and *maybe* the year after, with biron we would have a goalie for the next 4-5 years at least.... with smyth gone and our core now being hemsky, stoll, horcoff, lupul, torres etc our time to win isnt next year, and its probably not the year after either.... so why do we have a 36 year old goalie costing us 3.6 million in cap space for the next 2 years? i think a valid argument could be made that we should trade roli this summer one way or the other

but yeah.... why didnt we get biron?

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i would have loved biron, but the likely case is that there were no takers in the league for a 36 year old goalie with a fat contract.

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BECAUSE THE OILERS HAVE A GOALIE!!!!

Last year this would have worked, but the Oilers aren't in any way, shape or form in need of a starting goalie. REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOME OF YOU MAY THINK OF ROLI.

The Oilers have two developing youngsters who will continue to get better and Roloson is still signed for two more year.

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We didn't get Biron because the goalie we have is better, and isn't a UFA at season's end.

We don't need him.

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I think it just doesn't work out - timing wise. I'm positive Biron will only sign with a place where he is the #1 after years of being the best backup in the league... I'm pretty confident he wouldn't sign in a place with a 4 million dollar goalie.

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BECAUSE THE OILERS HAVE A GOALIE!!!!

Last year this would have worked, but the Oilers aren't in any way, shape or form in need of a starting goalie. REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOME OF YOU MAY THINK OF ROLI.

The Oilers have two developing youngsters who will continue to get better and Roloson is still signed for two more year.
Exactly. Lowe has made his goaltending bed for now, and frankly I'm getting annoyed by all the talk of trading Roloson/getting a "young goalie that can be here for 10 years", such as Biron. You can't trade that contract Roloson has, and you can't have him as a $3.5 million backup. If in two years it's obvious that JDD or Dubnyk won't cut it at the NHL level, THEN we have this conversation.

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i would have loved biron, but the likely case is that there were no takers in the league for a 36 year old goalie with a fat contract.

Well lets see, Roli has been very good for us at quite a reasonable price, he only has one more year at 3.5mil and we have two outstanding goalie prospects coming up in the near future. Are you seriously questioning Roli's contract after what he did for us last playoffs, you would have been asking for Klowe's head if he hadn't signed him.


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Roloson could be moved to a number of teams in the off-season. There's nothing 'fat' about two years, 6.5 million dollars for a starting goaltender. Don't be silly.

I think the answer is that the team is happy with Roloson. And that Biron is going to sign with with a team where he has a clear-cut chance to be a starter. Which isn't going to be here.

Why isn't it going to be here? Because we have a starting goalie who's already playing well and no urgency to swap him for one with a lot more risk.

Settled? Finally?? I hope so.

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Well lets see, Roli has been very good for us at quite a reasonable price, he only has one more year at 3.5mil and we have two outstanding goalie prospects coming up in the near future. Are you seriously questioning Roli's contract after what he did for us last playoffs, you would have been asking for Klowe's head if he hadn't signed him.
He has two more years on his contract.

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He has two more years on his contract.
But only 1 more year where he earns $3.5 Million .

(The last year of his contract is worth $3 Million).

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simple question really... why didnt we trade for biron if all it cost was a 2nd rounder? i would have been willing to trade anaheims 1st rounder for him actually... he has a career .909 save%, hes only 29 years old and we could have signed him for probably the same amount that we have roli signed....we could have then traded roli for whomever wants him for picks or for free really

this would have given us a younger goalie for the future (since i guess thats what this team is now about, the future).... roli is really only good for next year and *maybe* the year after, with biron we would have a goalie for the next 4-5 years at least.... with smyth gone and our core now being hemsky, stoll, horcoff, lupul, torres etc our time to win isnt next year, and its probably not the year after either.... so why do we have a 36 year old goalie costing us 3.6 million in cap space for the next 2 years? i think a valid argument could be made that we should trade roli this summer one way or the other

but yeah.... why didnt we get biron?
Because Biron is a UFA in 20 games. If you want, why not just trade Roli in the off-season and sign Biron?

I'd rather have the security knowing that I have Roli, as opposed to trading him now and not having anything July 1st, or having similar or worse goaltending for more money and at a greater cap hit.

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Roli is signed for two years.

The NHL is not a rotisserie league, where GM's can change their mind without consequence.

Although Roloson is not overpaid compared to average to good starting goaltenders, he contract is not cheap, and because of his age, is not easy to trade.

Lowe is hoping to get a few cheap goaltender years out of Deslauriers or Dubnyk like the Flamers are getting cheap years out of Phaneuf.

Look at Pittsburgh, they have one more cheap year for Crosby, two for Malkin, and two for Stall...that gives them a lot of money to spend to chase the Cup in the next two seasons.

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simple question really... why didnt we trade for biron if all it cost was a 2nd rounder? i would have been willing to trade anaheims 1st rounder for him actually... he has a career .909 save%, hes only 29 years old and we could have signed him for probably the same amount that we have roli signed....we could have then traded roli for whomever wants him for picks or for free really

this would have given us a younger goalie for the future (since i guess thats what this team is now about, the future).... roli is really only good for next year and *maybe* the year after, with biron we would have a goalie for the next 4-5 years at least.... with smyth gone and our core now being hemsky, stoll, horcoff, lupul, torres etc our time to win isnt next year, and its probably not the year after either.... so why do we have a 36 year old goalie costing us 3.6 million in cap space for the next 2 years? i think a valid argument could be made that we should trade roli this summer one way or the other

but yeah.... why didnt we get biron?
because we dont need an UFA when tanking.. Schafer wouldve been equally good

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But only 1 more year where he earns $3.5 Million .

(The last year of his contract is worth $3 Million).
His contract goes down next year by a million - he makes 4.5 this year.

Since our budget is lower than the cap, it's the actual numbers that have the impact on our team.

Roloson as our starting goaltender next season frees up an extra million dollars. That's Torres's raise, if not more.

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I have never been a huge Biron fan. I think Roli is at least as good, if not better, and fits our time-line with our young goalies well too.

But if we do decide JDD and DD can't handle it, and Roli isn't our guy, I'd prefer to try and grab Sanford out of St. Louis. He does interest me, and shouldn't cost more then a 2nd.

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Exactly. Lowe has made his goaltending bed for now, and frankly I'm getting annoyed by all the talk of trading Roloson/getting a "young goalie that can be here for 10 years", such as Biron. You can't trade that contract Roloson has, and you can't have him as a $3.5 million backup. If in two years it's obvious that JDD or Dubnyk won't cut it at the NHL level, THEN we have this conversation.
Kevin Lowe is that you? The problem with waiting until Roloson's contract expires is that there will be a very good chance that the Oilers will end up with another cluster**** in net like the Conkkanen situation.

The Oilers should go after guys like Sanford or Minny's Backstrom by dangling the fact that Roloson is old as hell and they'll have a chance to take over the starting job over the next couple of years.

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Have you looked at biron's numbers the last few years? No thank you, I will take roli over that any day of the week.

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Have you looked at biron's numbers the last few years? No thank you, I will take roli over that any day of the week.
Yeah, I've never really gotten the whole Biron thing. He was the starter in Buffalo, and they sucked. Then Miller arrived and they got good. Seems to me Biron was the weak link.

Decent starter for sure, but not the guy you want to lead your team to the promised land.

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Well lets see, Roli has been very good for us at quite a reasonable price, he only has one more year at 3.5mil and we have two outstanding goalie prospects coming up in the near future. Are you seriously questioning Roli's contract after what he did for us last playoffs, you would have been asking for Klowe's head if he hadn't signed him.
i'm not questioning roli in the least. he's been everything we hoped he would be and more, and i love him on this team. i'm just saying that teams out there that are looking for a new goalie are more likely to pursue someone younger and/or cheaper.

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Roli is a good goalie for what he is getting paid.

I am fine with riding him through this contract and after that evaluating him year by year.

A lot of goalies hit their prime close to the new UFA. So why move for a younger guy that could leave when their contract is done in a few years.

Until Roli can't handle starting I am fine with him as the starter

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- because Biron is a UFA this summer

- because we have a starter that's not over-priced given his performance

- because Biron lost his starters role in BUF

- because Biron has never done 10% of what Roloson has done in the playoffs

- because Biron is not that good (.899 SP this season)

Bet you wanted Denis as well....need any more reasons?

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Bigger question for me is why didn't we get Alex Bourret? He was traded for Pascal Dupuis and a 3rd... which is pretty much peanuts. They guy is a tank on wheels with scoring potential and I'm pretty sure Lowe had stated in the past that he really like him. I think he'll be a good one.

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