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12-11-2003, 11:35 AM
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All Star Ballot a joke

Okay, this may be old news, but the All Star Ballot sucks. My theory is that the All Star game is for players who are currently leading the league. So many on the ballot are on for name recognition and there are many who aren't on who have been playing well all season. It wouldn't be so bad, but you are only allowed one write-in. I used mine for Datsyuk, who does deserve to at least be on the ballot. But I also really wanted to write in Czerkawski who has done great for the Islanders.

There are so many players on just for name recognition. I mean Heatley and Hatcher are both on. I don't think either of them have done anything great on the ice this season.

Sorry for venting. Just frustrated.

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12-11-2003, 11:47 AM
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We go through this every year. Of course it's a joke. Datsyuk not on the ballot. But Dany Heatley has 11,000 votes.

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12-11-2003, 11:48 AM
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The ballot is made months ahead of time so that they can have time to print out enough and distribute it in time. Every ballot in every sport always has it's flaws.

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12-11-2003, 11:55 AM
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The voting for the All-Star game always runs a year behind All-Star type performances. That is only logical, of course, since voting starts way to early in the season for fans to make the determination based on this season's play. In reality, the 2004 All-Star game recognizes the players who played well in the 2003 calendar year. The NHL should simply acknowledge that fact.

The other options would be to hold the game later in the season which is not practical OR to can the fan vote which is a total farce anyway.

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What about more write in options? I think that players like Dats and Czerkawski could be likely to recieve enough votes.

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Czerkawski has actually compliled about 5-6,000 write in votes already

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No, Datsyuk doesn't deserve to be on it. The ballots are based on last year.

 
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you know whats more annoying? seeing 10 threds and segin people always complaining about this ballots, and yet they still vote.

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It is a joke though as the balloting allows for fans to stuff the boxes. So fans of teams that actually give a drop whether or not thier players are in this make believe game go out and stuff the boxes to the gills.

A better system would be that the fans are allowed to represent so many votes and the coaches and players so many and the writers the rest. Equal thirds so that it doesn't matter that the fans in Vancouver want to see Cloutier make the team when he doesn't deserve it because they will get thier vote, and then all of the players and coaches will vote and then the hockey writers will vote and then Cloutier won't be in the all star game.

(just poking fun mates about cloutier)

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Who cares? Are you telling me you're actually going to watch the allstar game?

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Not only is the ballot a joke and waste of paper but the game is a joke and a waste of time...

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It is a joke though as the balloting allows for fans to stuff the boxes. So fans of teams that actually give a drop whether or not thier players are in this make believe game go out and stuff the boxes to the gills.

A better system would be that the fans are allowed to represent so many votes and the coaches and players so many and the writers the rest. Equal thirds so that it doesn't matter that the fans in Vancouver want to see Cloutier make the team when he doesn't deserve it because they will get thier vote, and then all of the players and coaches will vote and then the hockey writers will vote and then Cloutier won't be in the all star game.

(just poking fun mates about cloutier)
You do know that beside the starting lineup of 6 players from each teams, the GMs and Coach are the people that in charge to decide about rest of th selections of each team. Just pointing the fact out. And by the way Turco is leading the western starting goalie voting now.

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I think that the idea that fans that vote for allstar squads in hockey or baseball for that matter are voting based on what happens in the first quarter or third of a hockey season.

Do you really want to see Alex Tanguay in the starting lineup rather than a marquee player?

This is after all an ALL STAR Game. Not and ALL HOT streak game.
Fans want to see Brett Hull not Pavel Datsyuk. They want to see Peter Forsberg or Joe Sakic, not Tanguay. They want to see Joe Thornton not Robert Lang.

What people want to see are players with great careers not great half seasons.

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12-11-2003, 12:29 PM
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who cares? the all-star game is for loosers.

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You do know that beside the starting lineup of 6 players from each teams, the GMs and Coach are the people that in charge to decide about rest of th selections of each team. Just pointing the fact out. And by the way Turco is leading the western starting goalie voting now.
Bob, thanks for the nhl insight

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A better system would be that the fans are allowed to represent so many votes and the coaches and players so many and the writers the rest. Equal thirds so that it doesn't matter that the fans in Vancouver want to see Cloutier make the team when he doesn't deserve it because they will get thier vote, and then all of the players and coaches will vote and then the hockey writers will vote and then Cloutier won't be in the all star game.
That's what they do in the NFL a third is fan vote, a third is player vote, and a third is coaches vote, and it's not much better. There are still players that go that don't really deserve to go.

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who cares? the all-star game is for loosers.
It's for looser what?

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The ballot is made months ahead of time so that they can have time to print out enough and distribute it in time. Every ballot in every sport always has it's flaws.

Most ballots in other sports give you most players though.

The NHL could at least try to give you most players they project to be on the rosters. Write-in are not a valid subsitute.

Sure, it's just for the starters. But the NHL is basically picking a subset of the players and from this subset you are allowed to vote for the starters since anyone not on the ballot has little chance if winning.

Their system is horrible.

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I believe Mike Comrie has around 2,500 votes.

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Most ballots in other sports give you most players though.

The NHL could at least try to give you most players they project to be on the rosters. Write-in are not a valid subsitute.

Sure, it's just for the starters. But the NHL is basically picking a subset of the players and from this subset you are allowed to vote for the starters since anyone not on the ballot has little chance if winning.

Their system is horrible.
That is an excellent point. In baseball and football you get to pick from basically every starter on every team. The only players left off are the ones that truly come out of nowhere. I don't know about basketball, but I imagine it's the same. Can't say the same about the NHL, who can't even get positions of players right (i.e. Gagne and Straka at center).

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Can't say the same about the NHL, who can't even get positions of players right (i.e. Gagne and Straka at center).

Don't they they select the posistions based on what they were drafted as?

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I'd like to see each team's season ticket holders get one vote each.

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It's just a nice break for teams to let their hurt players heal!

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Don't they they select the posistions based on what they were drafted as?
I have no idea but Gagne hasn't played center in the NHL except in emergency injury situations, he shouldn't be on the ballot as a C.

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Makes you scratch your head sometimes...

Oh well, look at it this way - if you don't go it's a three-day vacation to rest your bones for the home stretch of the regular season.

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