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02-28-2007, 09:52 PM
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Michalek - Briere - Hemsky
Pisani - Pouliot - Lupul
Moreau - Stoll - Thoresen/O'Marra
Sykora - Reasoner - Stortini/Jacques
Smith - Staios
Smid - Michalek
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Roloson - Deslauriers

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02-28-2007, 11:38 PM
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Michalek - Briere - Hemsky
Pisani - Pouliot - Lupul
Moreau - Stoll - Thoresen/O'Marra
Sykora - Reasoner - Stortini/Jacques
Smith - Staios
Smid - Michalek
Gilbert/Roy - Hedja
Roloson - Deslauriers
This ones interesting .. what do you think michalek would ask for in a contract?

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Can't wait to see BB's post on this ... Brian what are your thoughts?

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Ha!!! The day the EIG spends over 42 million is the day I win the lotto 6/49. I want Briere or Drury atleast.

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Hartnell - Gomez - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Lupul
Thoresen - Pouliot - Nilsson
Moreau - Reasoner - Pisani

Timonen - Smid
Smith - Staios
Hejda - Gilbert

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JDD

Yes, Horcoff is gone, trade him for anything.

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I'm as excited to know the outcome of this summer as anyone but I don't understand everyone's hate of Horcoff. He's overpaid, I won't question that but not by much. He's worth close to 3 million without question in my mind. He plays so many minutes, all situations against other teams top lines. His numbers are coming around lately and he really needs to be cut some slack around here. He's not an ideal first line center but we have many bigger problems at this point.

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03-03-2007, 04:36 PM
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I'm as excited to know the outcome of this summer as anyone but I don't understand everyone's hate of Horcoff. He's overpaid, I won't question that but not by much. He's worth close to 3 million without question in my mind. He plays so many minutes, all situations against other teams top lines. His numbers are coming around lately and he really needs to be cut some slack around here. He's not an ideal first line center but we have many bigger problems at this point.
I think that is the thing everyone want to have him traded for .. he is playing in our number 1 centre spot and he is not a number 1 centre. I would rather see stoll, who also not a number 1 centre or us acquire a number 1 centre in the off season. Horcoff is a second line centre at best and his breakout year was because of smyth and hemsky not because he is an offensive dynamo.

with the money we save on smyths contract and trading horcoff we can get a legitimate superstar.

As a fan I'm sick of seeing us have 4 lines with 2 way centres , all with limited offensive upside.

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03-03-2007, 04:48 PM
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As a fan I'm sick of seeing us have 4 lines with 2 way centres , all with limited offensive upside.
Our situation up the middle is so much better than a lot of other teams. We may not have the bonafide #1 guy but we have tremendous depth both on the big club and in the system. Horcoff is a guy I can't see having much trade value with that contract either. As a fan I'm much more sick of seeing our defence as inexperienced and suspect as it is rather than our situation up the middle.

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Our situation up the middle is so much better than a lot of other teams. We may not have the bonafide #1 guy but we have tremendous depth both on the big club and in the system. Horcoff is a guy I can't see having much trade value with that contract either. As a fan I'm much more sick of seeing our defence as inexperienced and suspect as it is rather than our situation up the middle.
Well freeing up 3.6MM for a centre that should really be on a checking line or at most a number 2 line will go a long way to getting us an experienced # 1 Dman as well.

If we got a #1 Dman and did not upgrade our forward top line skill we still wont win that much.

I think next year we see more skill up front in terms of our young guys and a huge offload of our vets.

If we are rebuilding lets do it right this time

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Well freeing up 3.6MM for a centre that should really be on a checking line or at most a number 2 line will go a long way to getting us an experienced # 1 Dman as well.

If we got a #1 Dman and did not upgrade our forward top line skill we still wont win that much.

I think next year we see more skill up front in terms of our young guys and a huge offload of our vets.

If we are rebuilding lets do it right this time
Fair point about the 3.6 million being better used in different areas but I think what Horc does is vastly underappreciated around here. Saying he's a checking line centre is being unfair. He's an ideal 2nd line centre over paid by between 0.5 and 1 million. Stoll is also a 2nd line centre and MAP is getting closer and closer to being a 2nd liner himself. Unfortunately none of those guys have 1st line potential and Horc is the best option we have. If there's a good deal out there for Horcoff then I'd be all over it and it would give us even more flexibility. But after just losing our heart and soul guy I'm not sure it would be in our best interests to trade off Horcoff as well I agree though in that this summer will likely go a long way in determining the direction of this team and whether we go into a full out or partial rebuilding phase.

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03-04-2007, 02:31 AM
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I would think Horcoff would be in the 1MM - 2MM dollar range. I think he is roughly being paid double what he should be.

As for why I think he should be expendible and we should grab a #1 centre in the off season.

Marc Antoine Pouliot born 1985 first year being up for a few games and he is looking better and better each game - max value 2nd line centre

Jarret Stoll born 1982 - twice a 20 goal scorer in the league and if not for injuries I believe he would have hit 20 again this year. He still may. Max value 2nd line centre- my view he is the closest thing to a first line centre we have and should have started the year between Hemsky and Smyth

Brodziak born 1984 - Kid should make the Oilers next year which might spell the end to Marty Reasoner being here. Lowe even eluded to it in his interview tonight. He is playing amazing in WBS and if not for the Oilers reaching their max amount of call ups he would have been up here. He is playing first line centre in WBS if I am not mistaken and potted another 2 goals tonight. Max potential- I used to think 3rd line but nowI'm think maybe if we had a 2.5 line.. lol

Schremp - you can all laugh at me but I have a really good feeling schremp will be our #1 centre in 3 years time. He has an amazing amount of talent and if he actually played first line minutes in WBS he would be way ahead in the points category. He still has 38 Points in 53 games which is alright but we have to keep in mind developing Robbie compared to their own prospects is not what the ducks had in mind when they allowed us to share some players with their AHL franchise.


Here is what I hope they do in the offseason.

Trade
Horcoff, Smith, Sykora

Release or trade if possible
Reasoner, Petterson, Markannen, Nedved, tjarnquvist

Minors
Hejda, Syvret, Thoreson, Winchester, Stortini

Sign a #1 centre and a #1 Dman. The more I think about it the more I think Smyth is not coming back..sigh .. i'll miss him and the mullet

Sooo

Whitney (makes 1.5MM)- Briere (6M) - Hemsky (3.6MM)
Torres (0.925MM) - Stoll (2.2MM) - Lupul (1.5MM)
Pouliot (0.94MM) - Schremp (0.8MM) - Pisani (2.5MM)
Moreau (1.02MM) - Jacques (0.7MM) - Nillson (0.8MM)

Boumeester (2.1MM) - Staios (1.61MM)
Greene (0.855MM)- Smid (0.984MM)
Gilbert (0.7MM) - Roy (0.475MM)

Roloson (3.6MM)
Deslauriers (1MM)

Total Salary = 33.809 MM - meaning we could sign another High class D man or add another centre such as Drury or bring back Smyth if we can.

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03-04-2007, 02:36 AM
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If Kevin Lowe is serious about us going in a new Direction then get us a legitimate super star talent for our top line centre position.

Smyth was a great player but not a franchise player in the mold of crosby or ovechkin. When I think franchise I think people who carry a team and consistantly puyt up huge numbers.. Iginla, Sakic, Forsberg, Gagne, E Staal, Alfredson. Heatly

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someone else take a crack at making a roster for us next year under 40MM...

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Lines to Drool over then (reworked)

Smyth - Briere - Hemsky - amazing
Torres - Stoll - Lupul - One year better
Jacques - Pouliot - Pisani - the checking line
Nillson - - Schremp - Brodziak The kid line. dynamite

#1 Dman - Staios -offensive Dman and a solid D
Smid - Greene - This will work
Roy - Gilbert - I really like Gilbert as a player

Roloson
Deslaurier - he's ready to learn from Roloson

Ok so lets see how this works

5.5+6+3.6
1.8+2.2+2.3
0.9+0.9+2.5
0.8+0.8+1

3.5 + 2.4
0.8 + 1.0
0.8 + 0.8

3.6
0.7

Wow Still at 41.9MM even with letting my Dream of Drury playing for us go as well as giving Moreau the boot... We are in trouble unless we pick up some cheap talent.

What would you all do with our players.
No dice without Ethan Moreau, the rest I love.

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I feel like I'm reading everyone's NHL 07 rosters. Now if only we can draft Dany Ovechkin in '08 we'll be set.

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Here is what I hope they do in the offseason.

Trade
Horcoff, Smith, Sykora

Release or trade if possible
Reasoner, Petterson, Markannen, Nedved, tjarnquvist

Minors
Hejda, Syvret, Thoreson, Winchester, Stortini

Sign a #1 centre and a #1 Dman. The more I think about it the more I think Smyth is not coming back..sigh .. i'll miss him and the mullet

Sooo

Whitney (makes 1.5MM)- Briere (6M) - Hemsky (3.6MM)
Torres (0.925MM) - Stoll (2.2MM) - Lupul (1.5MM)
Pouliot (0.94MM) - Schremp (0.8MM) - Pisani (2.5MM)
Moreau (1.02MM) - Jacques (0.7MM) - Nillson (0.8MM)

Boumeester (2.1MM) - Staios (1.61MM)
Greene (0.855MM)- Smid (0.984MM)
Gilbert (0.7MM) - Roy (0.475MM)

Roloson (3.6MM)
Deslauriers (1MM)

Total Salary = 33.809 MM - meaning we could sign another High class D man or add another centre such as Drury or bring back Smyth if we can.


what do you all think of this scenario?

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Keep in mind Whitney and Boumeester are both Edmonton boys

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Something tells me if we were not going to pay Smytty 5.5 mill that we would spend that much on a guy like Drury. Maybe Briere.

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drury is at about 0.74 points per game while smyth is at about 0.70 points per game.

Drury should get around 5 MM but with the season he is having in buffalo he may request higher much like smyth. I think briere for sure is a 6MM player

and I agree drury should be paid 5MM

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Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
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Stortini-Reasoner-JFJ

Smith-Timmonen or A Markov
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JDD or Markanen

I would like to see us keep Hedja, but I think with all the young dman coming up he will be let go

I would love to see us get Andre Markov, I think him and Stoll maning the point on the PP would be just as effective as Andrew Markov and Souray this year on the PP.

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Uh, you guys are aware, there are other teams in the league too, right? I don't know what you expect, but luring UFAs isn't easy. Tossing them a market competitive contract just means you are in the running.

Relying on UFAs is risky business. You have little influence.

I expect Lowe to build this team the old fashion way. Trades and draft. UFA to patch holes.

Smyth is a bit different though. I expect Lowe will make a good pitch to him. He does do a lot more then his numbers, and him retiring an Oiler would be nice. Contract has to make sense for the team too though.

Apart from him I expect a major acquisition through trade. Likely at the draft.

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Sykora = UFA

Lupul's cap hit= 2.312
Moreau's cap hit=2.0
Staios cap hit=2.7
Hemsky cap hit=4.1
Torres not resigning for under a mill.

JayBow will not be traded.


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Here is what I hope they do in the offseason.

Trade
Horcoff, Smith, Sykora

Release or trade if possible
Reasoner, Petterson, Markannen, Nedved, tjarnquvist

Minors
Hejda, Syvret, Thoreson, Winchester, Stortini

Sign a #1 centre and a #1 Dman. The more I think about it the more I think Smyth is not coming back..sigh .. i'll miss him and the mullet

Sooo

Whitney (makes 1.5MM)- Briere (6M) - Hemsky (3.6MM)
Torres (0.925MM) - Stoll (2.2MM) - Lupul (1.5MM)
Pouliot (0.94MM) - Schremp (0.8MM) - Pisani (2.5MM)
Moreau (1.02MM) - Jacques (0.7MM) - Nillson (0.8MM)

Boumeester (2.1MM) - Staios (1.61MM)
Greene (0.855MM)- Smid (0.984MM)
Gilbert (0.7MM) - Roy (0.475MM)

Roloson (3.6MM)
Deslauriers (1MM)

Total Salary = 33.809 MM - meaning we could sign another High class D man or add another centre such as Drury or bring back Smyth if we can.


what do you all think of this scenario?

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