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03-01-2007, 05:34 PM
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Would you offer a 1st round draft choice for this guy???????????
are you nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We've gotta crucify somebody though. So who's it gonna be?
Maybe it could be someone from my ignore list.

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On CKAC, Ron Fournier is speculating that Brian Burke wanted to trade Beauchemin for Rivet. On USA Today, Burke said that he wanted one of our UFA D and was mad that Bob didn't want to talk to him before trading Rivet. Apparently, Burke was ready to give Beauchemin for Rivet.
There is speculation that some GM's dont want to deal with Burke. I can see the conclusion based on how the SJS got both Rivet and Guerin and Burke wanted both. And in the end, Burke traded his #4 dman for a #1 because that is the price of UFA's this year - and didnt pull the trigger on a trade. Clearly that was unintentional. He didnt get a deal done.

But in truth, I take him at his word. He said the price for UFA's was too high and he wasn't going to send any of his younger roster players in trade. So why would he trade his number 4 dman to get a first, so he could send that along with his #3 dman in his prime, for Rivet? If Burke would have traded Beauchemin and a first, that would have been better that the SJS deal. But its entirely illogcal and while I think the price for UFA's at the deadline was illogical altogether, this would have been an all-time high for crazy.

BTW - I think the package you got for Rivet was really strong and outside of Tkachuk and Foppa which were the most lopsided returns for the sellers, I think the Rivet trade was the next best trade for a selling team and a good job by Gainey.

We get a #4 Dman who has strong character, is experienced, is questionable defensively, has diminishing skills, and is coming off pnemonia - for 18 games and the P/O's. In exchange, you get the dman who was playing #4 for us ES and PK and has several years left before he can be a UFA and still has upside since he's only played 1 year in total --- AND you get our first rounder.

I'm not complaining. We need Rivet's experience because the SJS were the youngest team in the League before the trades and we have to have some character vets to go deep. I think there were better potential trades out there - but you guys have to believe on the whole that you got a GREAT return for a player that wasnt even seeing ice time at this point.

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Maybe it could be someone from my ignore list.
I've always wanted to get an ignore list... but then you end up missing the juciest comments.

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I'm not complaining. We need Rivet's experience because the SJS were the youngest team in the League before the trades and we have to have some character vets to go deep. I think there were better potential trades out there - but you guys have to believe on the whole that you got a GREAT return for a player that wasnt even seeing ice time at this point.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd be interested in your take on Rivet through the stretch run. I like this acquisition for the Sharks, and I hope Rivet bounces back to his previous form. He'll certainly have more opportunity to do that in San Jose than he did in MTL.

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I've always wanted to get an ignore list... but then you end up missing the juciest comments.
Well...you can still see them being quoted. And then you remember why they were on that list.

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There must be a reason for Gainey not calling him back. With all Burke's talk about an over-inflated market, it would be logical to think that Burke low-balled Gainey on his first offer to the point where he didn't bother calling him back.
agreed , but the haters don't want to hear that they are only interested in finding reasons to hate gainey . i find it all very amusing .

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agreed , but the haters don't want to hear that they are only interested in finding reasons to hate gainey . i find it all very amusing .
Agreed!

Edit: Whoa!!

Habsfan4. Habsfan44...


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If you wouldn't mind, I'd be interested in your take on Rivet through the stretch run. I like this acquisition for the Sharks, and I hope Rivet bounces back to his previous form. He'll certainly have more opportunity to do that in San Jose than he did in MTL.
Obviously we hope he does well too. We have 3 good defensement: Mclaren, Hannan, and Vlassic (only 19!) - and then a big dropoff so Gorges was getting the defensive TOI as #4 (TTOI he was #6 because he played no PP). We REALLY needed someone that could shave on the team and has seen playoffs more than once. So Rivet will surely get his chance.

He got into town last night and is working with the club this morning. They are talking about limiting his time to 15 minutes, but Hannan went out with an undisclosed upper-lower-flu-body injury, so he may see more than that in his first game.

I think the fans aren't expecting to see him set the world on fire. The hope is that he can get healthy and his legs under him in the next 18 games and can stabilize the defensive corps and get the puck to the forwards who can take it from there. But our big problem right now is the forwards have to come back and help support the D to advance the puck, so we almost never see odd-man rushes and consequently while we are #2 in the league in PP, we are WAY down the list on ES goals. Rivet has to be able to help that one thing - even if he stays back in the zone and skates slow. He can play good positional defense and help a 19 year old kid learn the ropes.

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How the heck would any of these media mental midgets know anything like that? Gawd.

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Obviously we hope he does well too. We have 3 good defensement: Mclaren, Hannan, and Vlassic (only 19!) - and then a big dropoff so Gorges was getting the defensive TOI as #4 (TTOI he was #6 because he played no PP). We REALLY needed someone that could shave on the team and has seen playoffs more than once. So Rivet will surely get his chance.

He got into town last night and is working with the club this morning. They are talking about limiting his time to 15 minutes, but Hannan went out with an undisclosed upper-lower-flu-body injury, so he may see more than that in his first game.

I think the fans aren't expecting to see him set the world on fire. The hope is that he can get healthy and his legs under him in the next 18 games and can stabilize the defensive corps and get the puck to the forwards who can take it from there. But our big problem right now is the forwards have to come back and help support the D to advance the puck, so we almost never see odd-man rushes and consequently while we are #2 in the league in PP, we are WAY down the list on ES goals. Rivet has to be able to help that one thing - even if he stays back in the zone and skates slow. He can play good positional defense and help a 19 year old kid learn the ropes.
What you're describing is basically his strength; helping along younger players. He's proven to excel in this role at every stage of the game.

He isn't all that slow, either.

Anyhow, it'll be interesting. Rivet's accustomed to being a minute eater in clutch time, so he'll be alright to step up while McLaren's out.

BTW, despite Rivet not being huge, he was used frequently to contain large opposing forwards. When he's on his game, he's solid in inzone coverage.

On a related note, I can't wait to see the playoffs in the West this year. Sharks vs Preds or Wings would be especially interesting.

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Obviously we hope he does well too. We have 3 good defensement: Mclaren, Hannan, and Vlassic (only 19!) - and then a big dropoff so Gorges was getting the defensive TOI as #4 (TTOI he was #6 because he played no PP). We REALLY needed someone that could shave on the team and has seen playoffs more than once. So Rivet will surely get his chance.

He got into town last night and is working with the club this morning. They are talking about limiting his time to 15 minutes, but Hannan went out with an undisclosed upper-lower-flu-body injury, so he may see more than that in his first game.

I think the fans aren't expecting to see him set the world on fire. The hope is that he can get healthy and his legs under him in the next 18 games and can stabilize the defensive corps and get the puck to the forwards who can take it from there. But our big problem right now is the forwards have to come back and help support the D to advance the puck, so we almost never see odd-man rushes and consequently while we are #2 in the league in PP, we are WAY down the list on ES goals. Rivet has to be able to help that one thing - even if he stays back in the zone and skates slow. He can play good positional defense and help a 19 year old kid learn the ropes.
Rivet will do that.

Leadership. Check.
Stability. Check.
Poise. Check.
Backbone. Check.

And since you're not looking for Bobby Orr, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

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How the heck would any of these media mental midgets know anything like that? Gawd.
It's funny because Fournier said it was just speculation. The mental midgets are the one going "OMG, Fournier crazy, french media evil...!!!".


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Beauchemin is OK, but I'd prefer Gorges and the first pick eight days a week. Who knows, some day Gainey might be able to trade Gorges to the Sharks for Beauchemin + a first, or else pick up Beauchemin on waivers.

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Crucify the biggest idiot in Hockey, Bettman or if he can't be reached pick a ref

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On CKAC, Ron Fournier is speculating that Brian Burke wanted to trade Beauchemin for Rivet. On USA Today, Burke said that he wanted one of our UFA D and was mad that Bob didn't want to talk to him before trading Rivet. Apparently, Burke was ready to give Beauchemin for Rivet.

Don't know if I believe Fournier's rumour. Why would Burke make that deal? Beauchemin is the better player, especially considering Rivet is coming off puenmonia.

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Don't know if I believe Fournier's rumour. Why would Burke make that deal? Beauchemin is the better player, especially considering Rivet is coming off puenmonia.
It's not even a rumour! Read the thing very carefuly again: he says "s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-n-g".

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i like the Gorges offer better, we also got a much needed 1st rounder too. Beauchemin is good, and would be welcomed back in MTL and would be a step up from both Gorges and Rivet, but the 1st rd pick in a deal with Rivet is huuge steal.

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On CKAC, Ron Fournier is speculating that Brian Burke wanted to trade Beauchemin for Rivet. On USA Today, Burke said that he wanted one of our UFA D and was mad that Bob didn't want to talk to him before trading Rivet. Apparently, Burke was ready to give Beauchemin for Rivet.
If u paid attention he said that if BG asked for sure we would have had Beachemin ( he is overrated). He did not say that bob asked for beauchemin coz bob never asked for anything.

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We've gotta crucify somebody though. So who's it gonna be?
If you're Bergeron: Markov and Bonk

If you're anglo: Latendresse

If you're Cherry: Kovy, Koivu, Sammy, Markov and all other euro on or around the team

If you're french speaking: IT seems that Garth Murray is the current guy of choice... And the eternal "Koivu doesnt speak french lets trade him ASAP"...

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On CKAC, Ron Fournier is speculating that Brian Burke wanted to trade Beauchemin for Rivet. On USA Today, Burke said that he wanted one of our UFA D and was mad that Bob didn't want to talk to him before trading Rivet. Apparently, Burke was ready to give Beauchemin for Rivet.
if that's true, which I doubt it is, Gainey needs to be fired now. But since I don't think it's true, we can keep Gainey

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If you're Bergeron: Markov and Bonk

If you're anglo: Latendresse

If you're Cherry: Kovy, Koivu, Sammy, Markov and all other euro on or around the team

If you're french speaking: IT seems that Garth Murray is the current guy of choice... And the eternal "Koivu doesnt speak french lets trade him ASAP"...
Cherry likes Koivu. I don't remember how he feels about the rest.

Latendresse's main problem is his skating. If he improves that, he could be a very effective player.

Poor Bergeron. There aren't many Habs he can hype while keeping a straight face.

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ya ok the guy you let go Beauchemin you trade Rivet to get him back ..

right right .....

that wasnt going to work one for one .



anyway we got great value for Rivet so who cares .

Its Souray im worried about

glad to see i am not the only one

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It's funny because Fournier said it was just speculation. The mental midgets are the one going "OMG, Fournier crazy, french media evil...!!!".
Thanks for the clarification....got the wrong mental midget.

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