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03-02-2007, 01:37 AM
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What in the hell are the Oilers doing?!

Kevin Lowe comes out in his press conference after the Smyth trade and says that we'll "try to make the playoffs next year." He's basically selling and throwing in the towel. So what does his head coach do? He insists that the Oilers "aren't out of it" and plays the same old system with the same old ineffective players with the same old unacceptable results. What gives? Lowe and MacTavish should be on the same page, and that certainly isn't the case.

There are too many questions that have gone unanswered in the past few days. One being that if the Oiler front office is conceding that the playoffs this season are out of reach and that building for the future is now the priority, then why is the coaching staff not taking that same mentality? Also, why haven't more minor-leaguers been called up to get some valuable playing time and to audition for next season? Why didn't Lowe move some of the other potential UFAs at the deadline?

Seriously, this whole situation stinks to high heaven and is quickly becoming a massive fiasco. Coach and GM no longer on the same page, the organization running the franchise in the wrong direction, and a team full of players who have no idea what to think or do on and off the ice. Something definitely has to give...this is getting REALLY frustrating REALLY fast.

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Kevin Lowe comes out in his press conference after the Smyth trade and says that we'll "try to make the playoffs next year." He's basically selling and throwing in the towel. So what does his head coach do? He insists that the Oilers "aren't out of it" and plays the same old system with the same old ineffective players with the same old unacceptable results. What gives? Lowe and MacTavish should be on the same page, and that certainly isn't the case.

There are too many questions that have gone unanswered in the past few days. One being that if the Oiler front office is conceding that the playoffs this season are out of reach and that building for the future is now the priority, then why is the coaching staff not taking that same mentality? Also, why haven't more minor-leaguers been called up to get some valuable playing time and to audition for next season? Why didn't Lowe move some of the other potential UFAs at the deadline?

Seriously, this whole situation stinks to high heaven and is quickly becoming a massive fiasco. Coach and GM no longer on the same page, the organization running the franchise in the wrong direction, and a team full of players who have no idea what to think or do on and off the ice. Something definitely has to give...this is getting REALLY frustrating REALLY fast.
I'd suggest some Exlax

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I'd suggest some Exlax
Yeah...I'd better go take a CrapTavish

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Lowe is being frank with the fans.

Mac T is the coach though, so it's his job (now how good of a job he does there is debatable) to keep the players motivated game to game regardless of the situation.

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Kevin Lowe comes out in his press conference after the Smyth trade and says that we'll "try to make the playoffs next year." He's basically selling and throwing in the towel. So what does his head coach do? He insists that the Oilers "aren't out of it" and plays the same old system with the same old ineffective players with the same old unacceptable results. What gives? Lowe and MacTavish should be on the same page, and that certainly isn't the case.
Lowe is being realistic. If the Oilers had 10 more points, this deal would not have been made. The deal did take guts to make.

MacT? What else should he say? ''Alright team, we are out of it. No need to play hard''

Realistically, everyone in the dressing room and the fans know we're out. Accept it.

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Also, why haven't more minor-leaguers been called up to get some valuable playing time and to audition for next season?
The NHL has a limit after the trade deadline. With Reasoner out now, we'll get a callup

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Why didn't Lowe move some of the other potential UFAs at the deadline?
You aren't getting anything for Winchester and Peterson.

Tjarnqvist is injured - nobody is touching him.

Markannen - 3rd rounder-4th rounder. Guess he's still in the Oiler plans.

Sykora I could have seen moved. Guess he still is in the Oilers plan this summer.

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What's Mactavish supposed to say?

This season was done awhile ago but you could say it was OFFICIALLY done IMO (in Lowe's eyes) when they lost to Minnesota and Calgary won the next night.

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What's Mactavish supposed to say?

This season was done awhile ago but you could say it was OFFICIALLY done IMO (in Lowe's eyes) when they lost to Minnesota and Calgary won the next night.
How about trying to change your system? How about giving the youngsters more ice time? How about not doing the same ******** **** that has gotten this team to where it is in the first place?

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How about trying to change your system? How about giving the youngsters more ice time? How about not doing the same ******** **** that has gotten this team to where it is in the first place?
This team is a bad team and he has used up his allottment of call ups. They are going to lose and lose a lot.

It wouldn't matter if Scotty Bowman or Toe Blake was coaching!

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How about trying to change your system? How about giving the youngsters more ice time? How about not doing the same ******** **** that has gotten this team to where it is in the first place?
I'm assuming that'll be on MacT's To Do list for next September.

Until then, what's the point with 16 games left? It's not like he has much choice in calling guys up, hell half the bloody prospects in the minors are ALREADY here. And the vets know full well the team can't call anyone else up barring injuries, so why should they fear getting pressboxed?

This year has been one big black cloud over the Oilers org, there's really no point in getting stressed about it anymore.

Let 'em ride it out into the sad little sunset that awaits them, then wait for the lunacy that will be the June draft.

As for the youngsters, Pouliot's been getting consistent 2nd line icetime for the last little while now, which wasn't anywhere near happening earlier in the year. That's something. 6 rookies in the lineup tonight, 8 if you consider Greene a rookie and Hejda since he's a first year Euro...that's just nutty.


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I'm assuming that'll be on MacT's To Do list for next September.

Until then, what's the point with 16 games left? It's not like he has much choice in calling guys up, hell half the bloody prospects in the minors are ALREADY here. And the vets know full well the team can't call anyone else up barring injuries, so why should they fear getting pressboxed?

This year has been one big black cloud over the Oilers org, there's really no point in getting stressed about it anymore.

Let 'em ride it out into the sad little sunset that awaits them, then wait for the lunacy that will be the June draft.
Yep. This season is a write-off (a lot of things went wrong) and they have all been discussed ad-nauseaum.

I'm already focusing on next year.

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they a tanking so that they can draft Alzner - Ellerby & Petricki with their 3 first rounders. I wish they could get Kane or Turris, but hey...pipe dreams.

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I don't know why people think that more ice-time = faster development for our young players. I know experience helps, but you gotta be careful. You can't just throw them out there.

You don't learn to drive in peak rush hour on the Whitemud. You start out in the residential neighborhoods. Only when you're ready, do you progress to more difficult roads.

Anyway, it's a bad situation all-around.
I don't know what's worse. Missing the playoffs by a point on the final day of the regular season or being completely out of it a month away. The former might hurt more, but it's at least more exciting too.

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How about trying to change your system? How about giving the youngsters more ice time? How about not doing the same ******** **** that has gotten this team to where it is in the first place?
Playing the youngsters is what got the Oilers into this mess in the first place. That should be plainly obvious to anybody.

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Why not move Sykora? Surely somebody would've offered something, right? Guess this means Lowe intends to sign him on June 30, probably giving him a raise for his 20 or so goal performance.

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Playing the youngsters is what got the Oilers into this mess in the first place. That should be plainly obvious to anybody.
The GM not bringing in better options would be the problem then, wouldn't it?

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Kevin Lowe comes out in his press conference after the Smyth trade and says that we'll "try to make the playoffs next year." He's basically selling and throwing in the towel. So what does his head coach do? He insists that the Oilers "aren't out of it" and plays the same old system with the same old ineffective players with the same old unacceptable results. What gives? Lowe and MacTavish should be on the same page, and that certainly isn't the case.

There are too many questions that have gone unanswered in the past few days. One being that if the Oiler front office is conceding that the playoffs this season are out of reach and that building for the future is now the priority, then why is the coaching staff not taking that same mentality? Also, why haven't more minor-leaguers been called up to get some valuable playing time and to audition for next season? Why didn't Lowe move some of the other potential UFAs at the deadline?

Seriously, this whole situation stinks to high heaven and is quickly becoming a massive fiasco. Coach and GM no longer on the same page, the organization running the franchise in the wrong direction, and a team full of players who have no idea what to think or do on and off the ice. Something definitely has to give...this is getting REALLY frustrating REALLY fast.
They have used all of their call ups.

EG they cant do any more unless they have injuries.

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I totally understand why Klowe had to trade Ryan. I fully understand what Ryan was doing. The things that bothered me the most about this who piece of **** week, was the fact that Klowe said "we'll try and make the playoffs next year". So that means all the tickets we bought all year, the ppv games we paid 12 bucks and they weren't worth 3, the 8 dollar beer we bought, 4 dollar hotdogs, to support this team, and they admit that with 25% of the season left they're done this year and hope to do better next year. That's ********.

If the are going to tank it why the hell is Sykora here? What about Markannen? Why's Winchester still around, its obvious he's not in MacT's plans. It reeks of incompetence. They didn't know until 20 minutes left in the deadline what their plans are? Why wasn't there deals in place to get as much as we could then? It looks IMHO that they totally focused on Ryan and forgot about the team. Big mistake.

Yet to do worse damage they say "we'll try and get in the playoffs next year". Well a person would have to get their head examined to actually pay for tickets with a team that's purposely tanking it. Even Philly (if you've never seen a hockey game in your life you'ld know they were rebuilding) reassured their fans that they were still trying to make the playoffs and are building for the future. It's ********, but at least they tryed to put a positive spin on things.

Like I've said ten times here even in the roughest times, as an Oiler fan, they never gave up. They played beyond their means, even if they had no chance of making it. What we've seen is a disgrace to the logo on the front. Klowe admitting the season is done, and the players playing like it. I quarantee you it'll be a long time before I waste my money on these guys. I have no use for anyone in any industry who rolls over and shows their belly, and that's what these guys are doing. I cheered harder for the 90 Oilers then I did for the 80 Oilers, why, because they had too much heart. They were underdogs in every game, but the effort was there night in and night out. What we've witnessed the last 2 games better not be a taste of what coming for the rest of the season, because with this display of garbage it'll be hard to sell tickets next year.

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The GM not bringing in better options would be the problem then, wouldn't it?
Combined with the injuries, yup.

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Kevin Lowe comes out in his press conference after the Smyth trade and says that we'll "try to make the playoffs next year."
Yes, of course. By the looks of it Smyth wouldn't have been here next year anyway. Don't confuse this year with next year in the salary-cap era.

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Combined with the injuries, yup.
Just think about the moves Lowe made since the season started. Which one made the team better?

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I totally understand why Klowe had to trade Ryan. I fully understand what Ryan was doing. The things that bothered me the most about this who piece of **** week, was the fact that Klowe said "we'll try and make the playoffs next year". So that means all the tickets we bought all year, the ppv games we paid 12 bucks and they weren't worth 3, the 8 dollar beer we bought, 4 dollar hotdogs, to support this team, and they admit that with 25% of the season left they're done this year and hope to do better next year. That's ********.
I guess K-Lowe could have said this doesn't mean we give up on the year... but I'm pretty sure that would have just made everyone angrier.

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If the are going to tank it why the hell is Sykora here? What about Markannen? Why's Winchester still around, its obvious he's not in MacT's plans. It reeks of incompetence. They didn't know until 20 minutes left in the deadline what their plans are? Why wasn't there deals in place to get as much as we could then? It looks IMHO that they totally focused on Ryan and forgot about the team. Big mistake.
Winchester wouldn't fetch a 7th round pick. For a player who can't crack a 10th place team, he sure as hell isn't going to garner a return. As for Sykora I agree. I'd have trade him to see what I could get, unless the plan is to re-sign him, and you want to see what he's got between now and the end of the year.

As for Jussi, unless the pick was a 2nd rounder, I don't think I would have traded him. JDD is having a good season down in the AHL, and he's showing the first bit of confidence he's ever had since turning pro. That being said, if you call him up and he struggles a bit, that might all be gone. Not only that, but after our season is over he might have a difficult time getting back into games with WBS (depending on how the other goaltenders do).

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Yet to do worse damage they say "we'll try and get in the playoffs next year". Well a person would have to get their head examined to actually pay for tickets with a team that's purposely tanking it. Even Philly (if you've never seen a hockey game in your life you'ld know they were rebuilding) reassured their fans that they were still trying to make the playoffs and are building for the future. It's ********, but at least they tryed to put a positive spin on things.
The Oilers never said they were purposely tanking it, they just said that they will re-tool and go for it next year. That being said, how idiotic would a fan have to be to not realize this season is done?

At the very least, Lowe came out and called a spade a spade. He's usually pretty guarded about that stuff, but he came out and said it.

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Like I've said ten times here even in the roughest times, as an Oiler fan, they never gave up. They played beyond their means, even if they had no chance of making it. What we've seen is a disgrace to the logo on the front. Klowe admitting the season is done, and the players playing like it. I quarantee you it'll be a long time before I waste my money on these guys. I have no use for anyone in any industry who rolls over and shows their belly, and that's what these guys are doing. I cheered harder for the 90 Oilers then I did for the 80 Oilers, why, because they had too much heart. They were underdogs in every game, but the effort was there night in and night out. What we've witnessed the last 2 games better not be a taste of what coming for the rest of the season, because with this display of garbage it'll be hard to sell tickets next year.
You must have blacked out a lot of the games between 92-96... those teams were deader than nails most nights, and played a lot like this team has recently... flashes of getting it together, but making too many costly mistakes that end up killing the game.

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Just think about the moves Lowe made since the season started. Which one made the team better?
Just think about the moves anyone made before deadline time that made their team better.

In season trades very rarely happen, especially ones involving players who can make a difference. It's very hard to find a trading partner when everyone thinks they are still in it.

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Gawd I wish I knew how to dissect a post like everyone else here does. Markannen would be gone for a second round pick. There's a plithera (new word for the day) of young back up goalies available that are counted on to play ten games a year. Roli, will be doing the rest unless we suck like we are, the I don't expect to see him around too much.

The mid nineties Oilers sucked, they had almost no system at times, but the effort was there. They skated and they hit. Last night was a prime example of what' been wrong all season, we were out skated, and out hit. They look like they quit 5 minutes in. If I had 10 million invested in this team and was paying someone 2 or 3 million a year, for the effort that was displayed the last two games, I'd lace up a skate and kick them all in the nuts. My wife tells me I can't do these things anymore, but I think I'd have to be restrained from doing it. They deserve it.


As far as Klowe not wanting to insult our intelligence, by isinuating that we might make the playoffs yet, it would have been a helluva lot better then rolling over like they did. It was like turtling during a fight. I fought most of my life, took some bad likkin's, but I never turtled, and watching the Oilers do it really pissed me off. That bothered me 100 tiimes more then trading Ryan, not getting a D-man all season, Simpson's powerplay or any of the other fiasco's that have been going on this year. He shouldn't have said it even if we know it's true. You fight to the end, it's the way Canadians have been in wars, life and hockey. To admit defeat was wrong, and no one will ever change my mind on that one.

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Gawd I wish I knew how to dissect a post like everyone else here does. Markannen would be gone for a second round pick. There's a plithera (new word for the day) of young back up goalies available that are counted on to play ten games a year. Roli, will be doing the rest unless we suck like we are, the I don't expect to see him around too much.
Plethora

And I agree. I'd deal Jussi for a 2nd too. Much lower and I'm not sure if it's worth it if it means JDD getting called up though.

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The mid nineties Oilers sucked, they had almost no system at times, but the effort was there. They skated and they hit. Last night was a prime example of what' been wrong all season, we were out skated, and out hit. They look like they quit 5 minutes in. If I had 10 million invested in this team and was paying someone 2 or 3 million a year, for the effort that was displayed the last two games, I'd lace up a skate and kick them all in the nuts. My wife tells me I can't do these things anymore, but I think I'd have to be restrained from doing it. They deserve it.
Well, you are wrong. There were many nights where that those gave up, especially when they got down a couple of goals (which is about when this team pulled the plug last night).

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As far as Klowe not wanting to insult our intelligence, by isinuating that we might make the playoffs yet, it would have been a helluva lot better then rolling over like they did. It was like turtling during a fight. I fought most of my life, took some bad likkin's, but I never turtled, and watching the Oilers do it really pissed me off. That bothered me 100 tiimes more then trading Ryan, not getting a D-man all season, Simpson's powerplay or any of the other fiasco's that have been going on this year. He shouldn't have said it even if we know it's true. You fight to the end, it's the way Canadians have been in wars, life and hockey. To admit defeat was wrong, and no one will ever change my mind on that one.
It was not admitting defeat. All he said was that he was looking to better the team for the playoffs for next year. Granted, he didn't say that this team was still gunning for the playoffs, but again, the fan base is already pissed off... trying to sell to them that the playoffs this year were still a goal would only make it worse.

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From one of Matheson's articles today:

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MacT can say what he has no choice but to say, but opposing teams know differently.

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