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03-02-2007, 10:52 AM
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Wow - great article by Brunet

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...07/0/FRONTPAGE

It's way too long to translate, but read the second part. By looking at the names mentioned, you will get the idea. Brunet is really now questionning Gainey's plan (if there is any). I am not a Gainey basher at all, but I have to agree Brunet asks good questions

and by the way for the ones saying french journalists always back french players: he questions why Gainey kept Dagenais instead of Hossa in the lineup.

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03-02-2007, 10:55 AM
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he questions why Gainey kept Dagenais instead of Hossa in the lineup.

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Thanks kafka, but that comment about sizes it up for me. Amazing how much of a genius this guy is waaaaaaay after the fact. Did he question this at the time?

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It's way too long to translate, but read the second part. By looking at the names mentioned, you will get the idea. Brunet is really now questionning Gainey's plan (if there is any). I am not a Gainey basher at all, but I have to agree Brunet asks good questions

and by the way for the ones saying french journalists always back french players: he questions why Gainey kept Dagenais instead of Hossa in the lineup.

Enjoy!
I expect this article to be bashed on these boards.

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03-02-2007, 10:59 AM
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I am happy with gainey's plan, as long as he re-signs souray....

if he didnt trade him, considering he had an extremely high value, then he clearly has the intention to sign him....

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I think it's very legitimate to question Gainey's work since he joined. I'm really pissed off after reading the article, I'm wondering what the management is trying to do. Their plan is unclear. They didn't even shopped for the best offer for Rivet and they didn't even started the contract talks with Markov and Souray. That's unbeleivable.

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I expect this article to be bashed on these boards.
sure, it's written in french and it questions Gainey's work...

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Kind of surprising from Brunet. Usually he's much better than this. He seems to be hitting the panic/whine button.

Using Burke's "diary" as his main source? Come on. GM's talk to each other all the time, Burke wasn't willing to part with Getzlaf, Perry or any of his other young players. Is Gainey obliged to trade Souray for a couple of draft picks. Give me a break.

More whining about Beachemin and Hainsey. Wow, has Brunet been reading HF?

And then whining about Ribeiro? Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but this is just an awful article from Brunet. Nothing but whining and HF style complaining. To add, he's shown us nothing new. Every GM makes mistakes, and complaining about Hainsey is so dumb, when everyone wanted Hainsey out of town. Just revisionist history is all it is. Complaining about Dagenais getting a spot when everyone thought he was a 30 goal scorer.


Horrible stuff. Brunet is one of my favourite journalists, but this article is garbage.

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I expect this article to be bashed on these boards.

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I think it's very legitimate to question Gainey's work since he joined. I'm really pissed off after reading the article, I'm wondering what the management is trying to do. Their plan is unclear. They didn't even shopped for the best offer for Rivet and they didn't even started the contract talks with Markov and Souray. That's unbeleivable.
+ 1

I'm confident there's still a master plan that we're not aware of behind all that "mess", but interesting point of view/article, nonetheless.

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sure, it's written in french and it questions Gainey's work...
Two major no-nos...

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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...07/0/FRONTPAGE

It's way too long to translate, but read the second part. By looking at the names mentioned, you will get the idea. Brunet is really now questionning Gainey's plan (if there is any). I am not a Gainey basher at all, but I have to agree Brunet asks good questions

and by the way for the ones saying french journalists always back french players: he questions why Gainey kept Dagenais instead of Hossa in the lineup.

Enjoy!
Its a BS article going on about Gainey's gaffes bla bla bla

No mention of his better trades.

Like they say hindsight is 20-20

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sure, it's written in french and it questions Gainey's work...
No, that would be narrow minded, just like this comment.

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Kind of surprising from Brunet. Usually he's much better than this. He seems to be hitting the panic/whine button.

Using Burke's "diary" as his main source? Come on. GM's talk to each other all the time, Burke wasn't willing to part with Getzlaf, Perry or any of his other young players. Is Gainey obliged to trade Souray for a couple of draft picks. Give me a break.

More whining about Beachemin and Hainsey. Wow, has Brunet been reading HF?

And then whining about Ribeiro? Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but this is just an awful article from Brunet. Nothing but whining and HF style complaining. To add, he's shown us nothing new. Every GM makes mistakes, and complaining about Hainsey is so dumb, when everyone wanted Hainsey out of town. Just revisionist history is all it is. Complaining about Dagenais getting a spot when everyone thought he was a 30 goal scorer.


Horrible stuff. Brunet is one of my favourite journalists, but this article is garbage.
I emailed Brunet indicating this to him, also indicating that I really like his work and pregression over the years.

He replied (in huge font lol!) and said tomorrow he comes back for more...

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Great article. Really makes me think.

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That's an awful article.

And I am one to criticize Gainey. That article is unfair to say the least.

How about we criticize Julien for sending down Hainsey when he kept Streit and Bouillon? Why can't we criticize Bouillon and yet Dagenais is ok?

Complaining about Ribeiro and Hossa? pffft.

Weak, real weak.

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No mention of his better trades.
You mean the 2 good trades he did (Huet/Bonk and Kovy)...

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I expect this article to be bashed on these boards.
Thankfully we have great posters like you to set us straight

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It's way too long to translate, but read the second part. By looking at the names mentioned, you will get the idea. Brunet is really now questionning Gainey's plan (if there is any). I am not a Gainey basher at all, but I have to agree Brunet asks good questions
seriously, does anyone know if there were contract talks or not ? all this is only speculations.

No immediate relief ? Canadiens have one of the best farm systems. Carey Price ? Guillaume Latendresse ? Lapierre ? Chip ? Kosty 1 and 2 ? Perez ? Grabs ? Emelin ? Higgins ? Komi ? Brunet only says that because like any other fan he'd like to have a Crosby Jr who steps in the lineup and puts 100 points on the board. The reality is that it takes time before they have an impact ont he lineup.

Imagine if the Sabres got rid of Afinogenov after a couple of seasons. Or if Canadiens listened to Bergeron and got rid of Markov for the 1st quebec player available.

I love Beauchemin, I was extremely happy when the Habs drafted him. But in Anaheim he plays with Niedermayer. So that helps quite a bit. When he was brought up in Montreal he did nothing special and the Canadiens lost him due to waiver rule, not because they gave up on him.

Does anyone really miss Ribs ? When he was in the lineup Canadiens had the same problem, they couldn't score. Plekanec has provided similar numbers so get over it. Stop living in the past and bring solutions instead of whinning all the time like babies.

Latendresse is barely capable of playing in the league now. Imagine last year.

Giving money to Samsonov instead of playing Kosty because he's ready to play ? I thought we had no immediate relief ?

Before complaining that there's not enough money for Souray and Markov, just wait until they leave.

Canadiens didn't get enough for Rivet ? They got a 1st round pick ! What does it take to make you happy !

Souray is not for trade, plain and simple. No team in the hunt for the cup would ever give up players ready to play like Getzlaf and so on.

Kevin Lowe got nothing for Smyth and did a poor job at re-signing players. Brunet is out there telling me that Gainey doesn't have a vision and all that ****. Now he's saying that Lowe did great at giving away the heart and soul of his team for nothing after he talked to only 3 teams.

Brunet is whinning that there was no biding war between teams for Rivet, but hey Lowe did a great job at that for talking to only 3 teams for Smyth and getting in return average prospects.

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and by the way for the ones saying french journalists always back french players: he questions why Gainey kept Dagenais instead of Hossa in the lineup.

Enjoy!
Hossa who ? What in hell would that change on the team right now

Our friendly journalists are so mad right now because Gainey isn't doing what they want him to do. A while ago they wanted out of Montreal Carbo, Chelly, reechi, Turgeon and the list goes on and on.

Now our GM does things a different way and doesn't give a **** about them so they just keep yapping.


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You mean the 2 good trades he did (Huet/Bonk and Kovy)...
Theodore, Johnson/Zednik...

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Kind of surprising from Brunet. Usually he's much better than this. He seems to be hitting the panic/whine button.
I agree. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the article and promptly filed it under "media trying to do the GM's job". A file that looks awfully like a trash bin.

Nevermind that Burke's diary doesn't even come close to implying what he writes. Gainey most likely already had a deal in place for Rivet when Burke called, and everyone at the time was impressed with what he could get -- which was, it should be noted, more than Burke had to offer at the time.

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Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but this is just an awful article from Brunet.
Indeed, a terrible article. These days it seems all the journalists are just trying to sell by parroting fan grumblings, even if they have to revise history to do it.

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You mean the 2 good trades he did (Huet/Bonk and Kovy)...
Johnson for a 4th was a good trade

Theo and his 11M salary for Aebischer, smart move indeed

Getting a 3rd rounder for Zednik over the summer (pick should be in the mid 60s)

trading up to get Latendresse

trading up to get Ryan White

trading down to get Fischer which also gets us Carle

trading Chouinard to the flyers for a 2nd rounder which turned out to be Lapierre

getting Begin off waivers

Signing Yann Danis as a FA

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Thankfully we have great posters like you to set us straight
You're welcome.

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You mean the 2 good trades he did (Huet/Bonk and Kovy)...
Don't forget building Dallas to a Stanley Cup champion in 99.

The problem is not Gainey - its the pressure cooker environment from fans and media.

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You mean the 2 good trades he did (Huet/Bonk and Kovy)...

EDIT: nm...montreal already stated what I was saying.

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