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03-03-2007, 01:24 AM
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Real 1st center, Koivu as 2nd center and Plekanec third. That's what i would called depth in center. Gainey doesnt seem we need a center. He got months to find a center but didnt do *****

Koivu as a second center would be perfect for him. It would take tons of pressure on him and he could be constant for 82 games.
While I agree we need more depth at center, I think we need some upgrades on defense. I really don't think Boullion and Dandenault are cutting it. Do that first and upgrade our center position last. Look at Anaheim. They're one of the best, but their weakness, believe it or not, is at center. Andy McDonald is their number one center. Who do they have after him? Exactly. So, it's fair to say that a strong defensive core should come first.

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03-03-2007, 02:07 AM
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pleks has been consistently shown me what type of player he'll be, i see him lasting a long career in the nhl, he'll get slowly better for the next 3 years then pan into a 65-75 pt getter, he'll also come equiped with a above avarage defensive aweress,

he's like a less physicle but faster version of a "good bonk".

A perfect 3rd liner to have on your team.

i like pleks allot he's gotten more confident since new year.

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03-03-2007, 03:38 AM
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Plekanek is fine as a Number #2 or #3.

One of the bright spots on this team. Smart player. Has enough skill. And Works.

I don't have much problem with any of this team's forwards, frankly.

Bonk. Johnson. Ryder. Higgins. Kovalev. Kostitsyn (!)

They are what they are.

I think Koivu's burned out, unfortunately.
Samsonov ... well, it was worth a shot (signing).

What Gainey really needs to do is Fix the Defense Corps.

Seriously.

Markov is great. Komisarek is fine. Souray is a great PP specialist and brings grit and leadership, but is not much of a puck handler. Streit is fine. Is quick enough and good enough with the puck to avoid getting himself killed given his size.

But holy crap. After those four it's a complete Gong Show.

It's one thing to have an overpaid, under-producing winger (Samsonov). This fact will not lose you games generally. But to have Frankie and Mathieu out there for one third of every game ... that's all she wrote ... turn out the lights, the party's over.

How much of each and every one of their shifts is played in their own zone. 70 - 80 % ? How many &*(*& times have we seen Frankie B. turn the puck over when there's plenty of time and space to get it out.

It must be really demoralizing to teammates.

Solution:

Bring back Schneider and Desjardins. And throw in Odelein while you're at it.
Or how about ... Salo, Kimmonen, and ... name it ...

Fix the Defense Corps. Bob.

Mobile, puck handling, smart defenseman.

They don't have to be all-stars. They don't have to be killers.

Just guys that can get the puck to their teamates.

Please.


Class dismissed.

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03-03-2007, 04:37 AM
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Would like to see Pleks stats since Xmas break

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Would like to see Pleks stats since Xmas break
in 2007 :

13G - 12A, +4, 10PIM in 28 games... 0.89PPG

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in 2007 :

13G - 12A, +4, 10PIM in 28 games... 0.89PPG

Those are top six forward numbers...considering he was playing on a sub .500 team since xmas

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Those are top six forward numbers...considering he was playing on a sub .500 team since xmas
Agreed, and at some point I hope people will realise that 30 games is hardly a fluke...

especially when we consider that after almost two years he basically has the same PPG as Higgins...


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03-03-2007, 05:38 AM
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While I agree we need more depth at center, I think we need some upgrades on defense. I really don't think Boullion and Dandenault are cutting it. Do that first and upgrade our center position last. Look at Anaheim. They're one of the best, but their weakness, believe it or not, is at center. Andy McDonald is their number one center. Who do they have after him? Exactly. So, it's fair to say that a strong defensive core should come first.
I agree.

My personal belief is that if we had the current crop of Habs forwards, plus Huet and a good backup, but our defence consisted of Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe, Brian Engblom, Bill Nyrop and Pierre Bouchard (i.e. 1977-78 corps), we would be the best team in the league.

Even if the defence corps consisted of our 1988-89 corps, Chris Chelios, Larry Robinson, Rick Green, Craig Ludwig, Petr Svoboda and Eric Desjardins, we would still be at or near the top.

I was recently re-watching the final game of the 1989 Stanley Cup which the Habs lost to Calgary. That was the year Mike Vernon out-dueled Patrick Roy. What amazed me was the TREMENDOUS EASE with which the Habs defence corps was able to handle shoot-ins. They retained possession of the puck over 96% of the time. Despite the fact that Bob Gainey was on his last legs, Bobby Smith and Mats Naslund had started to slow down a bit, and so we no longer had a dominant forward, the club finished one point out of first overall. The defence was far from bruising but very, very efficient and that is what we need today.

Even without a Crosby, Lecavalier or Sakic, the Habs have enough good forwards today that if our team has the puck 55-60% of the time, we will score more than our share of goals.


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03-03-2007, 09:14 AM
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If we want to solidify our defensive corps.. Easy bring Emelin over and keep Gorges and Streit on defense. Flip Bouillon out of here and keep Dandenault as a depth defenceman.

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After seing him last year in the wc, I always thought he could have the same kind of production offensively than Koivu (considering all the injuries koivu went throug) while playing more game per season. I thought he could be our Koivu replacement, I ove his attitude and is often in the face of his opponent.

That said, I see him as a #2 center, which means that we would need a 1st line center next year or in 2 years

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It isnt always necessary to have a superstar centre if have competent wingers. Vancouver is doing ok. Lamorello wouldnt look the genius if Brodeur wasnt there. The Habs seem set in goal and need a star forward eg Hossa etc

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03-03-2007, 01:11 PM
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I agree.

My personal belief is that if we had the current crop of Habs forwards, plus Huet and a good backup, but our defence consisted of Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe, Brian Engblom, Bill Nyrop and Pierre Bouchard (i.e. 1977-78 corps), we would be the best team in the league.

Even if the defence corps consisted of our 1988-89 corps, Chris Chelios, Larry Robinson, Rick Green, Craig Ludwig, Petr Svoboda and Eric Desjardins, we would still be at or near the top.

I was recently re-watching the final game of the 1989 Stanley Cup which the Habs lost to Calgary. That was the year Mike Vernon out-dueled Patrick Roy. What amazed me was the TREMENDOUS EASE with which the Habs defence corps was able to handle shoot-ins. They retained possession of the puck over 96% of the time. Despite the fact that Bob Gainey was on his last legs, Bobby Smith and Mats Naslund had started to slow down a bit, and so we no longer had a dominant forward, the club finished one point out of first overall. The defence was far from bruising but very, very efficient and that is what we need today.

Even without a Crosby, Lecavalier or Sakic, the Habs have enough good forwards today that if our team has the puck 55-60% of the time, we will score more than our share of goals.
The Habs D from that time were good simply because they were very mobile and, as you said, efficient. Every one of those defensemen could skate and move the puck up ice. I still believe, to this day, it was that specific D core which set the standard for how to play defense and bring forth the best possible transition game. They were pioneers IMO.

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03-03-2007, 01:20 PM
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It is nice to see some positive in Hab land.

Next season, I wish Bob will sign or trade for 1st C...

yup. trade bait

get a number 1 centre, make koivu the #2.


hind sight is 20/20, but we could have afforded foresburg if mtl had the #1 pick from rivet, and throwing pleks in the mix, plus 1 more person or pick.

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03-03-2007, 01:25 PM
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Plekanec is not a good enough second line centre. He could do the job on a team like the one we're having now (one without any directions or ambitions). But if we wish becoming a more serious playoff or contender team.. No.

He clearly does not have the vision nor hockey sense a top 2 line calibre centres should have. He can produce, yes, but he does not have this ability to make the people around him better on a top line. He lacks that sense of creativity.

On the other hand, he could be a good 3rd line centre and that is where I want him to be as soon as next season if we keep him on our team. He plays simple hockey, is defensively responsible and has the ability to score goals.

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03-03-2007, 01:28 PM
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yup. trade bait

get a number 1 centre, make koivu the #2.


hind sight is 20/20, but we could have afforded foresburg if mtl had the #1 pick from rivet, and throwing pleks in the mix, plus 1 more person or pick.
Why would we trade Plekanec PLUS 2 picks for Forsberg??

Worst case, Forsberg is gone in 6 weeks and Plekanec plays elsewhere for 15 years.

Best case, Forsberg is gone in 3 years, and Plekanec plays elsewhere for 10 years.

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He's my mini forsberg.
The best and most consistent habs with Souray this year.

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