I'm assuming we're both counting Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar. And that's where I run out of names. Is there another player on this team that you would consider a top 6 player that could play on any other team in the NHL?
I don't think Lombardi or Hextall would be very upset if one of the two decided to leave school early...
Interesting... Lombardi has suggested there are three solid goalie prospects. The obvious two are Bernier and Zatkoff. I guess Quick would be the third, seeing how he's younger than Zaba.
If the Kings do elect to go with a 3-goalie rotation next season, then they have to make a decision with Brust and Fukufuji, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Kings not tender them a qualifying offer. Munce is gone and Daniel Taylor will probably stick in the ECHL.
I'm assuming we're both counting Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar. And that's where I run out of names. Is there another player on this team that you would consider a top 6 player that could play on any other team in the NHL?
Briere, Gomez etc. come to mind. What do you think Ryan Smyth is going to get as a UFA this offseason? Cammalleri has more points (and a better PPG average), and is 5 years younger. It ain't gonna be pretty.
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Last year
Scott Gomez - NJD - 82 - 33 - 51 - 84 - 0.40 - 1.02
This year
Mike Cammalleri - LAK - 64 - 27 - 39 - 66 - 0.42 - 1.03
Nearly identical stats to Gomez last year and Gomez was awarded 5 million by an arbitrator. To think Cammy settles for any less than 4.5 million is just ignorant. He may not get 5, but I wanted to guess on the high side for the purposes of that post. I am hoping for a backloaded 4 year deal for Cammy, like a 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5 million dollar deal, giving him a 4.75 million cap hit.
The difference though is that Gomez and all of those other players have a longer tenure in the NHL. They are proven commodities. Cammalleri on the other hand is 3 years younger than Gomez and is having his first good season. If the NHL is going to start handing out 5 million dollar contracts to ever Tom, Dick and Cammalleri then the league is in big big trouble.
Cammalleri will sign closer to high 3's to 4 million at this point in his career. If not, move him. For 5 million I'd rather have Gomez.
I think Cammalleri would owe more than just 10 percent to his agent if he got his salary from $1.7M to $5M.
Anyone that thinks Cammy will get a $3.3M raise is out to lunch, and if his agent thinks he should be paid that much, then I'm sorry, and I hate to say this, but they're better off spending their money elsewhere.
Interesting... Lombardi has suggested there are three solid goalie prospects. The obvious two are Bernier and Zatkoff. I guess Quick would be the third, seeing how he's younger than Zaba.
If the Kings do elect to go with a 3-goalie rotation next season, then they have to make a decision with Brust and Fukufuji, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Kings not tender them a qualifying offer. Munce is gone and Daniel Taylor will probably stick in the ECHL.
Quick is the other prospect you're referring to. Lombardi talked this on Kings Talk after the game on Saturday. I'd guess the Kings will try to sign Quick this offseason.
Cammalleri will sign closer to high 3's to 4 million at this point in his career. If not, move him. For 5 million I'd rather have Gomez.
Gomez is going to get more than 5 million as a UFA. I wish that people would stop acting like Gomez (or anyone) will sign with the Kings if the Kings decide that is the player they want.
Considering what arbitration awards were handed out last year, it wouldn't surprise me one bit for Cammalleri to get 5 million. He's putting up the same numbers as other guys making that salary on a REAL ****** team, and his age would be considered a plus, not a minus.
Don't forget that Gomez has put up those numbers on a defensive-minded Devils team. I'd think he would have better numbers playing in the Western conference.
What the Kings need is a playmaker from this group: (Gomez, Datsyuk, Briere, Forsberg)
and a power forward from this group: (Smyth, Tkachuk, Bertuzzi, Guerin)
Then they can address their defensive needs.
What? WHAT?? They haven't got any defensemen, have you noticed? They've got Blake and Lubo locked up for next season, after that - Weaver and Dallman time and who knows after that. Johnson may not even be NHL-ready next season. I think they may need to FIRST address their defense.
As far as forwards, you load up on a list of candidates who are way past their prime and overpriced. Of your First group, only Gomez and Briere are possibilities. Datsyuk doesn't play any D and is definitely not a DL type of guy, and is overrated anyway in my opinion. Forsberg is old, broken and expensive. Ditto for Bertuzzi. Tkachuck and Guerin are not currently broken, just old and expensive. Smyth is only expensive, so I suppose he's a possibility.
Gomez is going to get more than 5 million as a UFA.
Maybe, but not that much more.
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I wish that people would stop acting like Gomez (or anyone) will sign with the Kings if the Kings decide that is the player they want.
What does this have to do with anything I said?
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Considering what arbitration awards were handed out last year, it wouldn't surprise me one bit for Cammalleri to get 5 million. He's putting up the same numbers as other guys making that salary on a REAL ****** team, and his age would be considered a plus, not a minus.
Agree to disagree. His age does not warrant him more money only longer terms.
You do know that Armstrong has a order of magnitude more points then Lundmark...
I think it has become to popular to pick on Armstrong. Sure the guy doesn't have increadibly amounts of physical talent. But the guy is a extremly hard worker and at the end of the day he puts up the points.
Something that we can't say about Lundmark at this time... Maybe in a year or two if he stops having as many mental problems...
Now this is a very universal thing, but I love how everyone here loves to cling onto the flavour of the month. Right now that is Lundmark who has played well, but has been through a bunch of teams already, and at 26 has yet to prove he can play consistantly at the NHL level. Whereas Armstrong has done everything the coaches ask and works hard doing it, yet he gets the hate here. It is not his fault the coaches put him in the wrong role or, for those who think he got overpaid, that DL gave him too much money.
Now this is a very universal thing, but I love how everyone here loves to cling onto the flavour of the month. Right now that is Lundmark who has played well, but has been through a bunch of teams already, and at 26 has yet to prove he can play consistantly at the NHL level. Whereas Armstrong has done everything the coaches ask and works hard doing it, yet he gets the hate here. It is not his fault the coaches put him in the wrong role or, for those who think he got overpaid, that DL gave him too much money.
you DO realize that it took Derek Armstrong a bunch of teams (Kings are his 4th, just like Lundmark) and until he was nearly 29 years old to prove he can play consistenly at the NHL level.
i think less people view Jamie as flavor of the month, and more like someone who hasn't had their book closed on them yet.
you DO realize that it took Derek Armstrong a bunch of teams (Kings are his 4th, just like Lundmark) and until he was nearly 29 years old to prove he can play consistenly at the NHL level.
i think less people view Jamie as flavor of the month, and more like someone who hasn't had their book closed on them yet.
Alot of aggression towards me tonight, huh. No worries, I do know that Armstrong proved nothing and had passed through many teams. If you had asked me then I would have said he would have probably amounted to nothing. At this point in time Armstrong has proved he can play in the NHL. I have been very impressed with Lundmark, and did not want to make it sound like I had already marked him off. I like what he brings, but the fact remains that reports are that he has done this before. Coming over from the trade to CGY he apparently had a great season to end the year, but has been ineffective this year in CGY. I do hope Lundmark finally lives up to expectations, but I am not holding my breath.
You do know that Armstrong has a order of magnitude more points then Lundmark...
You do know that the two players are used in completely different roles. Armstrong has always played as a top-6 player with PP time on the Kings while Jamie has played as a bottom-6 with no PP time. If you swapped roles, Lundmark would easily have more points as 2nd-line center than Armstrong would as 3rd-line center, IMO. As it is, Armstrong has an even-strength PPG pace of 0.55 this season while playing with the two best forwards on the team, while Lundmark's is 0.46 while playing with guys like Kostopoulos and Willsie. I wouldn't at all rule out that Jamie is a better option for the 2nd line than Derek. The best thing to do would be to try it and find out... though Crawford never will.
You said "For 5 million I'd rather have Gomez." as if it's a guaranteed choice between one or the other. I mean, if you're speaking purely fantasy then why not say "for 5 million, I'd rather have Crosby?"
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Agree to disagree. His age does not warrant him more money only longer terms.
I didn't say his age warrants him getting more money than older players with the same stats, but it should warrant him getting the same payday at least. Only 22 guys in the league have more points than mighty midget. That's some pretty rare air.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he *should* get 5 million, but it won't surprise me at all if an arbitrator decides he does.
No worries, I do know that Armstrong proved nothing and had passed through many teams. If you had asked me then I would have said he would have probably amounted to nothing. At this point in time Armstrong has proved he can play in the NHL. I have been very impressed with Lundmark, and did not want to make it sound like I had already marked him off. I like what he brings, but the fact remains that reports are that he has done this before. Coming over from the trade to CGY he apparently had a great season to end the year, but has been ineffective this year in CGY. I do hope Lundmark finally lives up to expectations, but I am not holding my breath.
