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12-12-2003, 06:34 AM
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Pilar playing well!

Karel Pilar's numbers are very impressive so far.

He's got 6 assists in 12 games with a +4 rating.

Looks like he's on route to a career year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2877/gamelog

He's been one of the smarter defensemen so far. Karel knows how to keep the puck inside the opponents zone and just get the puck on net, creating chances to score.

He looks like a solid top 4 defenseman.

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He looks like a solid top 4 defenseman.
He is looking impressive so far. He seems to be returning to his level of two years ago, and is looking more confident each game.

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12-12-2003, 06:48 AM
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He looked really good against Minnesota. He is making Marchment play better too.

The top 6 is actually very good now. With Pilar stepping up offensively and McCabe performing and Klee as well, Kaberle is looking very replaceable.

Kaberle is a very good defenseman but if you could trade him for a guy with perhaps not as much offense, but more size and defense (e.g. MacLaren, Rathje, Smith etc.) then you have a big defense who can score.

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Kaberle hasn't been himself this year, but in the past he's been very consistent.

Which is one of the reasons to hang onto him.

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Pilar is a natural

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Pilar is a natural
Was there ever any doubt?

Stop believing the crap handed out by the Leaf bashers guys. Didn't you see him play in the playoffs two years ago. And he wasn't as bad as some people are making him out last year. The thing was, he could be demoted without waivers.

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Kaberle hasn't been himself this year, but in the past he's been very consistent.

Which is one of the reasons to hang onto him.
It is one of the reasons to hang onto him and the same value that could get you something significant of value in return.

I am just thinking about the Flyers and their forecheck in a 7 game series.

Minnesota even had the Leafs hemmed back last night.

The forecheck is the achilles heel of this team.

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With Pilar stepping up offensively and McCabe performing and Klee as well, Kaberle is looking very replaceable.

Kaberle is a very good defenseman but if you could trade him for a guy with perhaps not as much offense, but more size and defense (e.g. MacLaren, Rathje, Smith etc.) then you have a big defense who can score.
wasting time;

I apologize in advance if I go off; this "rant" is not directed at you per se, but this train of thought.

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Leaf fans have been spoiled by Tomas Kaberle. Plain and simple. Kaberle is just *25* years old. Defenseman take a much longer time to develop than forwards. Kaberle has been nothing short of fantastic for 5 seasons (if you consider the age of the kid and the position he was put in). The problem with Kaberle and his development was a case of "too much too soon". It's hard to improve substantially when at 22 you are already a 40+ pt defenseman. Kaberle's defensive game has improved slightly in each season. He still has to work/learn on many aspects on his/the game. It's not certain that he will (SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK TOMAS!). He may peak at his current production or he may not. Many defensemen are given the benefit of the doubt until they reach their late twenties, but Kaberle is expected to have fully developed before he hits his mid twenties.

Take a look at Bryan McCabe for instance. At Kaberle's age, Bryan was looking like a "semi-bust" as he had played for Vancouver and New York - and was eventually traded to the Leafs by the Hawks. (IIRC McCabe had the worst +/- of any player in the entire league, the season before he traded for Karpovtsev). McCabe finally emerged as a top 2 defenseman at the age of 27. (2001-2002 season. 43 pts, 17 goals in 82 games with GOOD defensive play).

Another one is Eric Brewer. There was a trade proposing a Kaberle for Brewer swap. Brewer is seen as having immense potential and yet he's shown nothing close to Kaberle in terms of production (both DEFENSIVELY and offensively); and Brewer is *just* a year younger.

I am not saying that Kaberle is the be all and end all. He is not "untouchable". He is however better than most people give him credit for. He is already a #2 d-man. He is unlikely to be a Norris Trophy winner and he doesn't have the nastiness or the physical game to be a true #1. He does have the most skill of any Leaf defenseman with the exception being perhaps McCabe - who is wildly inconsistent.

The main problem with Kaberle is that a.) he's not North American; b.) he's not physical and nasty.

Kaberle has put in his work for 6 FULL seasons. 12 games by Karel Pilar (who is OLDER than Kaberle btw) and a career year (through 28 games) by 32 year old Ken Klee has made him expendable ? I think not.

Edit: BTW - apologies for hijacking the thread.

I am a huge Karel Pilar fan and think he has the tools to be a #3 defenseman. He has been a major boost to the team.


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Very well said B&W, and I agree with every word.

Just one thing too add, good defensive depth is never abad thing. Just because one player steps up, dosnt make another tradable. No matter what happens, or how good these top 6 do this season, Leafs have to add, by not subtracting from their D.

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I don't see how a defencemen that plays in the 17 - 18 minute range makes a defencemen that averages 24 minutes a game expendable. Pilar has upgraded the Leafs 3rd pairing & obviously he has alot of talent BUT that alone doesn't make Kaberle expendable. The Leafs should be trying to add to the depth of their blueline,not trading defencemen away.


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