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03-06-2007, 03:11 PM
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perez interview

Listen to the CKAC 730 beginning of show in which Perez gave an interview to an important moscow newspaper on 21/12/2006 ( appearently kovalev said that this is one of the 2 respected
newspapers in russia.

Perez says that he does not hang with other than russians
His best bud is markov
It is normal that lats his favored in here bcz he is a local boy, and that if lats is in russia it will be the opposite
surprised that Lats made the team bcz montreal prospects make the usual steps to come to montreal ( juniors - AHL- NHL )
Montreal plays a defensive system, so when u make a mistake coachs come to u right away and give lessons.
Ice in montreal is not that good, isles ice is much better

I like perez and I think he is a second line 20G-25 Assista player, and I hope he plays with team that values him coz he has been drafted to play top 6 forwards and they give him a defensive role.
He makes a mistake and he gets benched ( benched against Isles 1 month ago after he took a penalty late in second period. Isles score and lead game 3-2, btw he prepared the play that lead the Bonk or Johnson goal just 2-3 minutes before. The follwing game in the molson center Bouillion makes a stupid error and takes a penalty in the beginning of 3 rd period. Whitney from the Pitts scores and the y take the lead 3-2. Habs won that goal in the OT as pleks fed souray on a a2-1 and habs score. Bouliion did not get benched).

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03-06-2007, 03:31 PM
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Here are a few things that are interesting about Perezhogin...

When he first came into North America and started playing for the Bulldogs, he was a skilled guy who had a mean wrist shot. However coach Doug Jarvis played him on a 3rd, 4th line roll....Then he started learning English, that helped improve his game. He learnt how to play defense, adapted well to the NA game and became one of their key contributers...Although older, he and Higgins were the top rookies. You see him play now and he has completely improved into one of the best defensive players on the Habs in 5 on 5 situations.....He is a player who is continuously improving, and the type to take a few years to fully blossom.....Thats why we need to keep him..

Kastsitsyn is gonna be a top 6 forward...

Perezhogin reminds me of a Sergei Brylin and if you look at the stats they seem similar to me:
Sergei Brylin Center
Born Jan 13 1974 -- Moscow, Russia
Height 5.10 -- Weight 190 -- Shoots L
Selected by New Jersey Devils round 2 #42 overall 1992 NHL Entry Draft

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1991-92 CSKA Moscow Russia 36 6 6 12 2
1992-93 CSKA Moscow Russia 42 5 4 9 36
1993-94 CSKA Moscow Russia 39 4 6 10 36
1993-94 Russian Penguins IHL 13 4 5 9 18 -- -- -- -- --
1994-95 Albany River Rats AHL 63 19 35 54 78 -- -- -- -- --
1994-95 New Jersey Devils NHL 26 6 8 14 8 12 1 2 3 4
1995-96 New Jersey Devils NHL 50 4 5 9 26 -- -- -- -- --
1996-97 Albany River Rats AHL 43 17 24 41 38 16 4 8 12 12
1996-97 New Jersey Devils NHL 29 2 2 4 20 -- -- -- -- --
1997-98 Albany River Rats AHL 44 21 22 43 60 -- -- -- -- --
1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 18 2 3 5 0 -- -- -- -- --
1998-99 New Jersey Devils NHL 47 5 10 15 28 5 3 1 4 4
1999-00 New Jersey Devils NHL 64 9 11 20 20 17 3 5 8 0
2000-01 New Jersey Devils NHL 75 23 29 52 24 20 3 4 7 6
2001-02 New Jersey Devils NHL 76 16 28 44 10 6 0 2 2 2
2002-03 New Jersey Devils NHL 52 11 8 19 16 19 1 3 4 8
2003-04 New Jersey Devils NHL 82 14 19 33 20 5 0 0 0 0
2004-05 Voskresensk Khimik Russia 35 8 23 31 40 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 New Jersey Devils NHL 82 15 22 37 46 9 2 0 2 2
2006-07 New Jersey Devils NHL 66 13 21 34 31

Alexander Perezhogin Right Wing
Born Aug 10 1983 -- Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazachstan
Height 6.00 -- Weight 211
Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 1 #25 overall 2001 NHL Entry Draft

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1999-00 Omsk Avangard Russia 1 0 0 0 0
2001-02 Omsk Avangard Russia 3 1 0 1 4
2002-03 Omsk Avangard Russia 48 15 6 21 28 8 0 2 2 4
2003-04 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 77 23 27 50 52 5 3 3 6 16
2004-05 Omsk Avangard Russia 43 15 18 33 18 11 3 2 5 8
2005-06 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 9 10 19 38 6 1 1 2 4
2005-06 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 11 0 2 2 8 -- -- -- -- --
2006-07 Montreal Canadiens NHL 60 6 9 15 48
NHL Totals 127 15 19 34 86 6 1 1 2 4

One thing is we shouldn't give up on any of our prospects who look like their gonna make the NHL...ie Higgins, Latendresse, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Lapierre, Kastsitsyn, Komisarek, Emelin, Valatenko, Fisher, Grabovski....its quite an impressive list...It reminds me of the Devils back in the day with:
Madden, Gomez, Pandolfo, Brylin, Martin, Hale

Unless the deal is right

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03-06-2007, 05:02 PM
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The Habs don't have Patrik Elias tho

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So why is it that Plekanec has busted his butt, earned his ice-time and been one of our best players in the second half of the season, and Perezhogin's going to find himself on the bubble at training camp, if Perezhogin's the better player? Why did Higgins have a dynamite second half last year and a great start to this year before getting injured if he's not as good as Perezhogin either? Why is a 19-year-old rookie outscoring Perezhogin?

Potential's only that: potential. At some point, potential has to turn into results or the next kid coming along's going to get his shot at your expense.
he's also the 1st kid to get benched on any occasion, he IS our best forechecker, and c'mon the penalties he takes are borderline its the reffs calling it

when he says the High Sticking incident is still affecting his play he doesn't mean it mentally... he means that the reffs are quick to blow the whistle on him because of his "history" which was outside of the NHL... it's friggin ******** AND annoying

this was seen CLEARLY the other day when a player jumped onto his elbow last week and HE got called for Elbowing the other player it is getting RIDICULOUS! (i think the game was vs. carolina)

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A year and a half ago, he was considered our top prospect, a first or second line scorer, and I don't have to tell you guys what has happened since. I have noticed quite a difference in peoples opinions, from total wash, to young with lots of potential.
Just wondering where people see this guy next year, will he get it together, or will Gainey cut ties with him all together.....
Wrong system and unfair treatment. Lost of confidence resulting in reduced performance, resulting in turn to reduced icetime. Reduced icetime lowers confidence even more. It's a downward spiral.

This guy can be good if used correctly. He needs a fresh start though, and I don't think he'll get a fair opportunity in this organization,

I wish him to be traded so he can play up to his potential.

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he's also the 1st kid to get benched on any occasion, he IS our best forechecker, and c'mon the penalties he takes are borderline its the reffs calling it

when he says the High Sticking incident is still affecting his play he doesn't mean it mentally... he means that the reffs are quick to blow the whistle on him because of his "history" which was outside of the NHL... it's friggin ******** AND annoying

this was seen CLEARLY the other day when a player jumped onto his elbow last week and HE got called for Elbowing the other player it is getting RIDICULOUS! (i think the game was vs. carolina)
Yup, the people who call his penalties "lazy" are just biased and stereotyping/generalizing. Many of them have been indeed borderline calls. Plus, he gets penalties in the offensive zone be cause he forechecks hard and actually tries to cause turnovers and get the puck back instead of standing around passively.

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03-06-2007, 06:19 PM
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For every one of his "penalties" he's created two turnovers in every zone, guarantee it...maybe not lately mind you, but there was a period of time where he looked like the puck couldn't stay away from his stick when the opposition had possession. He's the best puck-pursuer the Habs have had in years.

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Perezhogin has enough talent to make Gainey deeply regret giving him the Hossa or Hainsey treatment (if he ever does it).

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It doesn't matter, we don't have a system that players like Perezhogin can flourish in.

If we'd adopt a similar style to Buffalo's, the guy would be great.
you don't even know what "system" we play i bet. yup the system is stifling our players, it's causing them to take shots right into the goalies crest, it causing them to pass up good shooting oppurtunities usually resulting in no shot, it's causing them not to go to the net without the puck and look for rebounds , it's causing our players to not screen the goalies. It's causing them not to be able to make simple tape to tape passes, it's causing them to not win any board battles, it's causing them not to finish there checks, it's causing them not to skate hard as well.
yup its all the systems fault, what a load of bs.

I wouldn't give up on Perezhogin yet, maybe there will be more minutes available next year. If skates hard, goes to the net and cuts down on his bad penalties he'll be just fine.

BTW what's so great about Marcel Hossa? and what treatment did Hainsey and Hossa recieve that someone mentioned?

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Once in a while he would make a great move and get in for a great shot, more often than not that would result in a ding off the goal post. He is getting in the way of Kostitsyn. They seem like very similar players to me. Maybe it's time for Kostitsyn's shot

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Try him on a top two line and see what heppens. But if you ask me, he will start to sulk more and more if you keep him on a 3rd or 4th line.

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BTW what's so great about Marcel Hossa? and what treatment did Hainsey and Hossa recieve that someone mentioned?
He meant that MTL let those two players get away for basically nothing. He didn't mean they were treated badly.

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He meant that MTL let those two players get away for basically nothing. He didn't mean they were treated badly.
I'm sorry i doesn't sound that way when i read it again, i don't really care mind you. I just wanted clarification on what he meant.

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I'm sorry i doesn't sound that way when i read it again, i don't really care mind you. I just wanted clarification on what he meant.
Well that's what he was talking about, but you can take my opinion or leave it...no skin off my ass

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Perez is a player that will come back to Haunt the habs if traded to teams (other than NJ or VAN) and the habs know this.

Having said that, next year is his last chance before being considered a bust IF he gets top six minutes and that is a BIG IF

b/c of samsonov and latendresse being forced on those lines and of course kosty too.

IMO: latendresse needs to go through the motions of the AHL as he is a powerforward who will be GREAT but they take longer to develop. therefore kosty and perez should be together with pleks....i would love to see this however not possible b/c of the fwds we currently have.

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... please cut him ...
Why? If he was taking a roster place from someone better I'd understand, but he plays on the third and fourth. I'd take him over Murray and, even with a great ahl season, Milroy.

PS- It is not like we see nothing when he plays. When I watch him he seems pretty dangerous but just can't finish yet. The penalties are from him being over zealous IMO.

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I'm sorry i doesn't sound that way when i read it again, i don't really care mind you. I just wanted clarification on what he meant.
That's wha I meant

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... please cut him ...
how u going to cut 1 of r plus players goof

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you don't even know what "system" we play i bet. yup the system is stifling our players, it's causing them to take shots right into the goalies crest, it causing them to pass up good shooting oppurtunities usually resulting in no shot, it's causing them not to go to the net without the puck and look for rebounds , it's causing our players to not screen the goalies. It's causing them not to be able to make simple tape to tape passes, it's causing them to not win any board battles, it's causing them not to finish there checks, it's causing them not to skate hard as well.
yup its all the systems fault, what a load of bs.
Our system is quite simple; One forechecker and the two other forwards in the neutral zone.

I believe some people refer to this as the "trap". NJ plays the same style, and as we can clearly see, they have trouble scoring as well.

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When did Bonk and Johnson produce the most offensively? When Perezhogin was on that line at the start of the season.

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Our system is quite simple; One forechecker and the two other forwards in the neutral zone.

I believe some people refer to this as the "trap". NJ plays the same style, and as we can clearly see, they have trouble scoring as well.
yes that's similar to the system we play when we don't have the puck. still doesn't explain how the system we use when we have the puck limits us offensively. besides the 2 man forcheck which means you have 2 skate hard something we don't do consistently.

Offensive system=when we have the puck
Defensive system=when we don't have the puck

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yes that's similar to the system we play when we don't have the puck. still doesn't explain how the system we use when we have the puck limits us offensively. besides the 2 man forcheck which means you have 2 skate hard something we don't do consistently.

Offensive system=when we have the puck
Defensive system=when we don't have the puck
An offensive system would allow us to go with 2 to 3 fore checkers (or 1 fore checker deep and 2 near the blue line) when we don't have the puck. It would allow for more turn overs and better scoring chances.

The way that we distribute the puck is also fairly defensive.

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What are you on about you pointless thalids? Perezhogin is one of those players we always give up on way too early. He's having difficulties adapting right now, but he's still young and clearly has more than enough talent to succeed. Plus, he's proper mental when pissed off. Surely this can't be overlooked.

And he's good looking.

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One thing is we shouldn't give up on any of our prospects who look like their gonna make the NHL...ie Higgins, Latendresse, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Lapierre, Kastsitsyn, Komisarek, Emelin, Valatenko, Fisher, Grabovski....its quite an impressive list...It reminds me of the Devils back in the day with:
Madden, Gomez, Pandolfo, Brylin, Martin, Hale

Unless the deal is right
It's not like Lou has never dealt young players though. Shanahan, Souray, Sullivan, McAuley, Commodore, Suglobov, Sharifjanov, Jason Smith, Pederson, Morrison, Damphousse, Van Ryn, Pohanka, Dewolf, Hulse, Foster, Ciger, McAlpine, Harlock, Mitchell, Modry.

If I'm not mistaken all were traded before the age of 25. Nobody has dealt more young drafted defencemen than Lou. Hey - you can only dress six per game, and when the likes of Stevens, Niedermayer et al were in there...

I don't know that many teams have drafted better than the Habs in the past few years considering the team has been to the playoffs three of the previous four NHL seasons.

If Timmins can pull off one more impressive draft the club will have an embarrassment of prospect riches.

He doesn't have to draft a goalie in the top three rounds (and won't), and the club has five picks in the top 100.

Here are Hab draft picks in the past four drafts that arguably should have been 1st rounders in their draft year:

Chipchura
Price
Lats
Maxwell
White
Fischer
Kostitsyn


These guys are playing like top 50 picks IMO:

Lapierre
Emelin
O'Byrne
Grabovsky
S. Kostitsyn
Carle
Streit
Halak

These guys are playing like top 80 picks at least:

D'Agostini
Valentenko


Only five of those players are in the current lineup.

If the Habs can have one more solid draft where they add four or five "top 60 players", they are going to be in the position to do what the Devils used to be able to do - trade young assets that are attractive to other teams, but not about to crack the Habs lineup.

When one considers that the club has nine players 25 or under, and that there are 12 players listed above who have yet to crack the lineup but are playing like they have NHL potential....one more soid draft and this club will have a handful of prospects it can deal over the next couple of years to pick up fits to the puzzle.

I like the idea people come up with where we deal one of our first picks and a Perezhogin to move up and pick an impact player.

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