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03-08-2007, 10:24 AM
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Yes, because there's so much in it for me to fool a bunch of internet people into believing I'm from Edmonton when I'm really not.

Get a life.
There's apparently enough fun in coming here and bad mouthing the city every chance you get though.

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Every time I try to think you are not such a bad guy, you prove me wrong.
Why? Because I agree with Healy?

Like I said, the truth hurts.

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I don't know how many times I've said this, but once again:

1. I was born in Edmonton.
2. I lived in Edmonton for 22 years.
3. I've been in Ontario for 18 months.

The truth hurts, and this thread is evidence that Healy was bang on. Free agency is not an option for this club. It sucks, but it's true.
WHO DID CALGARY GET LAST YEAR IN FREE AGENCY, WHAT BIG NAME???

Are you kidding me, no matter how you do the old "I live in Edmonton for 22 years" song and dance, the fact is you didn't like it here, for whatever reason, before you left and you now hold a grudge.

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Back up Goalie

Healy was a back up goalie on the Rangers in 1994. He doesn't know what it takes to win. He is too smug and he has no Hockey cred.

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WHO DID CALGARY GET LAST YEAR IN FREE AGENCY, WHAT BIG NAME???

Are you kidding me, no matter how you do the old "I live in Edmonton for 22 years" song and dance, the fact is you didn't like it here, for whatever reason, before you left and you now hold a grudge.
I like Edmonton.

The fact is, the world is much bigger than Edmonton and Edmonton, for as much as Edmontonians love it, can't offer what most young and rich professional athletes are looking for.

Edmonton is a great city. It's not too big, it's relatively affordable, and the people are great. The problem with Edmonton is that its in a league with Los Angeles, New York, Montreal, Toronto, Phoenix, Miami, Anaheim, Boston, etc. ... world-class cities with world-class amenities and lots of places and ways for young millionaires to have fun.

Is that really that hard to understand? Edmonton simply isn't that desireable when compared to other possibilities for free agents.

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But I have to say that everyone I have met who's been to Edmonton thinks it's a beautiful city. From the pictures I've seen, it seems to be a nice place to live.
In the summer, yes. It's gorgeous. In the winter, it's a dirty, dirty town.

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There's apparently enough fun in coming here and bad mouthing the city every chance you get though.
and the irony is that he lives in kingston...ahahahahhaa...

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how much time do these guys get to enjoy themselves during the season anyways?...nobody says they have to live here in the offseason...plus half the time they're on the road...

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Ottawa and Calgary have been able to sign Free Agents, and been able to keep free agents no problem (and they are the same size as Edmonton, and have similar situations for young, rich people).

But maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't the City of Edmonton, but the Oilers organization. You have tight wad owners (much tighter than Calgary or Ottawa), the organization trashes everyone who leaves, and the media is essentially run by the team (so when you leave, you get trashed like no tomorow). Players see these things, and the result isn't good.

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Ottawa and Calgary have been able to sign Free Agents, and been able to keep free agents no problem (and they are the same size as Edmonton, and have similar situations for young, rich people).

But maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't the City of Edmonton, but the Oilers organization. You have tight wad owners (much tighter than Calgary or Ottawa), the organization trashes everyone who leaves, and the media is essentially run by the team (so when you leave, you get trashed like no tomorow). Players see these things, and the result isn't good.
Yes, because Calgary has signed a ton of big name free agents. Like McCarty, right?

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Ottawa and Calgary have been able to sign Free Agents, and been able to keep free agents no problem (and they are the same size as Edmonton, and have similar situations for young, rich people).

But maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't the City of Edmonton, but the Oilers organization. You have tight wad owners (much tighter than Calgary or Ottawa), the organization trashes everyone who leaves, and the media is essentially run by the team (so when you leave, you get trashed like no tomorow). Players see these things, and the result isn't good.
Thanks for coming out.

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Yes, because Calgary has signed a ton of big name free agents. Like McCarty, right?
Don't forget Friesen, you just know he's going to get those 20 goals anytime now.

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03-08-2007, 10:45 AM
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Why does everyone talk about the need to sign UFA's as if it is a key component in building a team?

Every year there are only a couple real difference makers on the market that are truly worth persuing. Then there is the middle of the pack players that make up the bulk of it where the signings seem to be about spending money on name recognition for the sake of spending money. Every so often there a few unheralded low end signings that seem ultimately prove to be a bargain but these guys are never counted in the hype.

Even the Sykora and Tjarnqvist moves are proving to be somewhat uninspired in my opinion.

Flames fans can suggest that Calgary is a desirable destination because they have signed more UFA's than Edmonton in the last coupel years but in reality Calgary's big free agent signings of Amonte, McCarty, Friesen and Zyuzin have to be viewed as less than stellar. If the point of UFA signings is to get better as a team then should Oilers fans really feel bad that Calgary actually landed their 4 'big name' guys instead of Edmonton?

Building a team isn't about bringing guys in on an inflated price tag it's about bringing in the right guys and with that goal in mind a trade usually proves to be the better route to take because the economics are more likely to be in line with what you are actually recieving.

For me July 1st is kinda like trade deadline day in that most fans feel like it is Christmas morning. Everyone is in eager anticipation about who their team may get. Then come Oct when the games start it's usually a let down because the hype is hardly ever lived up too, just like when all the giddy trade deadline fans watch their teams bow out of the playoffs and realize that a 1st, a 3rd and a top prospect for a washed up hack did nothing for them but cost them some of their future.

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I like Edmonton.

The fact is, the world is much bigger than Edmonton and Edmonton, for as much as Edmontonians love it, can't offer what most young and rich professional athletes are looking for.
What, you mean women and bars?

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Edmonton is a great city. It's not too big, it's relatively affordable, and the people are great. The problem with Edmonton is that its in a league with Los Angeles, New York, Montreal, Toronto, Phoenix, Miami, Anaheim, Boston, etc. ... world-class cities with world-class amenities and lots of places and ways for young millionaires to have fun.

Is that really that hard to understand? Edmonton simply isn't that desireable when compared to other possibilities for free agents.
What exactly are these amenities that attract young, rich pro athletes?

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Why? Because I agree with Healy?

Like I said, the truth hurts.
Let me ask you this then do you think he should have said that on air last night?

Also I believe he said NO ONE would want to come to Edmonton. How does that explain Sykora wanting to come here? Also Tjarnqvist? Does that explain when they had a chance to leave go to one of those great cities you mention did Pisani, Roloson etc... want to stay here if it is so boring and lacking? No those are not huge names but guess what they fall under the "no one" wants to be here category.

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The fact is, the world is much bigger than Edmonton and Edmonton, for as much as Edmontonians love it, can't offer what most young and rich professional athletes are looking for.
Wouldn't a professional athlete first and formost be looking for a place that would give them the best chance to be successful?

If these guys are looking for art galleries and golf courses in order to be happy then shouldn't teams be steering clear of these guys anyways?

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I like Edmonton.

The fact is, the world is much bigger than Edmonton and Edmonton, for as much as Edmontonians love it, can't offer what most young and rich professional athletes are looking for.

Edmonton is a great city. It's not too big, it's relatively affordable, and the people are great. The problem with Edmonton is that its in a league with Los Angeles, New York, Montreal, Toronto, Phoenix, Miami, Anaheim, Boston, etc. ... world-class cities with world-class amenities and lots of places and ways for young millionaires to have fun.

Is that really that hard to understand? Edmonton simply isn't that desireable when compared to other possibilities for free agents.
By this logic, all the up coming UFAs for Buffalo should be running off to Phoenix. Right?

Edmonton is a great city, and more then just Edmontonians love it.

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Just loved it when they posed the question of who will take over from Ryan Smyth as the face of the franchise.

One or more of the guys (Dregor or MacKenzie) mentioned Stoll and Healy piped in "No way, not a guy that scored 68 points! The new face of the franchise will be Roloson!"

Exactly how many points did he think Ryan Smyth was scoring every year?!?!

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Just loved it when they posed the question of who will take over from Ryan Smyth as the face of the franchise.

One or more of the guys (Dregor or MacKenzie) mentioned Stoll and Healy piped in "No way, not a guy that scored 68 points! The new face of the franchise will be Roloson!"

Exactly how many points did he think Ryan Smyth was scoring every year?!?!
Healy just doesn't get it, and it's painful to watch. Especially with so much talent, not including Domi, around him.

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Why does everyone talk about the need to sign UFA's as if it is a key component in building a team?
Because it is. When you are missing a component in your team you are able to spend nothing but money and retain that asset to improve your team. We'll take the two favorite teams on this board and compare their success over the last two years.

For Edmonton the needs were obvious. They needed a top end goaltender to hold the fort. They needed a couple of top end defenders that could eat up minutes and move the puck. They also needed a forward or two that was defensively responsible and could lend some grit. If he could play on the top two lines, that would be an added bonus. Did Edmonton address those needs? No. They had to go the route of a trade in almost every instance. The guys they did attract were not solid fits and missed the mark. "Shaggy" (one of the few nicknames I like) and Sykora were not good acquisitions IMO.

For Calgary the needs were probably a little less obvious. They needed a couple defensemen to provide depth and a few forwards to provide depth and play specific roles. The needs were not as high profile, but they were still there. Sutter grabbed Hamrlik and he has turned into Calgary's best, and most consistent defenseman over his two seasons in Calgary. Zyuzin has filled his role well, although not living up to the unreasonable expectations of the fans. Amonte has been only a good acquisition, which I personally don't think is good enough for what was spent on him. But he has contributed and filled in improving the team. McCarty was a complete loss and a mistake. Friesen has been very good for the role Playfair has given him (and no, he was never brought in to score, or he would have been given time on the top line out of the gate). I think he's way too expensive for what he brings to the table, but for how he has played on the PK, and backfilling Yelle's role while he fights through injuries, he's been a solid short term investment. I personally look forward to several of these salaries coming off the books, but hope that a coule of the players will be brought back for less money (Hamrlik and Friesen).

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Every year there are only a couple real difference makers on the market that are truly worth persuing. Then there is the middle of the pack players that make up the bulk of it where the signings seem to be about spending money on name recognition for the sake of spending money. Every so often there a few unheralded low end signings that seem ultimately prove to be a bargain but these guys are never counted in the hype.
Like Yannick Perreault? Good comments and pretty well right on the nose. The key is to identify the guys that will improve your team and do what you can to get them. If they are too expensive, you look at other options. That;s the nature of the game.

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Even the Sykora and Tjarnqvist moves are proving to be somewhat uninspired in my opinion.
Yup, bad fit for the team IMO. They were exactly what the Oilers already had a bunch of. Poor asset management.

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Flames fans can suggest that Calgary is a desirable destination because they have signed more UFA's than Edmonton in the last coupel years but in reality Calgary's big free agent signings of Amonte, McCarty, Friesen and Zyuzin have to be viewed as less than stellar. If the point of UFA signings is to get better as a team then should Oilers fans really feel bad that Calgary actually landed their 4 'big name' guys instead of Edmonton?
The whole concept of free agency is to fill holes and improve your team. Calgary did that, Edmonton did not. One has been moderately "successful" through free agency and the other has not. Remember, paying a guy massive bucks does not guarantee success. See Boston for proof of that. Bringing in players that suppliment your roster is the formula for free agency success.

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Building a team isn't about bringing guys in on an inflated price tag it's about bringing in the right guys and with that goal in mind a trade usually proves to be the better route to take because the economics are more likely to be in line with what you are actually recieving.
*cough* Horcoff *cough* *cough* Pisani*cough* *cough* Stoll*cough*

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For me July 1st is kinda like trade deadline day in that most fans feel like it is Christmas morning. Everyone is in eager anticipation about who their team may get.
And sadly, you open up your stocking each year and find a lump of coal.

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Then come Oct when the games start it's usually a let down because the hype is hardly ever lived up too, just like when all the giddy trade deadline fans watch their teams bow out of the playoffs and realize that a 1st, a 3rd and a top prospect for a washed up hack did nothing for them but cost them some of their future.
Unless you're the Oilers a year ago, where every trade worked like it was hoped and the team made some magic. Some things work out for some teams, and don't for others. Futures is a commodity that is swapped around a lot, and for the most part, only this site pays so much attention to it. Players come and go, and prospects are the original crap shoot. Teams recognize this and are willing to trade a future or two just for the run at the big prise. Imagine how disappointed you fans would have been last spring if Lowe didn't roll the dice and kick start that cinderella run? Or would you prefer the "futures" you gave away to make the deals in question?

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Healy just doesn't get it, and it's painful to watch. Especially with so much talent, not including Domi, around him.
His comments last night made me angry. They made me angry not just because it was a slight against the oilers, but because he decided to lecture the Oilers on effort in the post-Smyth period with a lineup that we used during the lockout on the Edmonton Roadrunners, not an NHL-calibre lineup.

All he's doing is picking on the easiest target available, and he's paid to do it. He's not even accurate in his assessment either.

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Because it is. When you are missing a component in your team you are able to spend nothing but money and retain that asset to improve your team. We'll take the two favorite teams on this board and compare their success over the last two years.

For Edmonton the needs were obvious. They needed a top end goaltender to hold the fort. They needed a couple of top end defenders that could eat up minutes and move the puck. They also needed a forward or two that was defensively responsible and could lend some grit. If he could play on the top two lines, that would be an added bonus. Did Edmonton address those needs? No. They had to go the route of a trade in almost every instance. The guys they did attract were not solid fits and missed the mark. "Shaggy" (one of the few nicknames I like) and Sykora were not good acquisitions IMO.
Please. The only needs Calgary had were addressed through trade as well. Secondary scoring. Fixed with the acquistion of Tanguay and prospects coming into their own.

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Please. The only needs Calgary had were addressed through trade as well. Secondary scoring. Fixed with the acquistion of Tanguay and prospects coming into their own.
I think if you actually look at the Flame's team they only player they have in their line up they actually DRAFTED, are Phaneuf, Lombardi, Mark Giordano and David Moss.

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Geez, ok everyone take a deep breath and relax for a second.

There is no disputing that Healy is unprofessional, ignorant, and uninformed, but the basis of his statements hold some truth.

OntOilerFan, much like Healy, may have been a tad blunt, but much of what they mentioned holds merit, and it might just be a bit difficult for those of us who live in this city to objectively agree.

Edmonton is not the armpit of North America, but it still hosts many undesirable factors (climate being the foremost factor) in comparisson with other available cities to play professional hockey.

This is why I feel that when we discover a player, who has a true passion for the City, as well as the team, we should give them a long look, and value them at a price higher than others (Smyth, Laraque, etc.).

I do not agree that NO player would want to come here to represent our team, however, I do agree that our city suffers a major disadvantage.

I'm friends with several Edmonton (and surrounding area) born NHL players, who have all but one, mentioned that they would rather play in many other cities before considering Edmonton.

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Lots to answer here:

dawgbone:

The point I'm making is one of lifestyle. The lifestyle a place like New York, LA, Miami or even Chicago or Boston can offer is just bigger and better than Edmonton can. There are nightclubs and concerts and plays in Edmonton and there are nightclubs and concerts and plays in New York. Which do you think offers the choice that would be more attractive to a professional athlete? Again, I mean no disrespect to Edmonton (it is my hometown), but it just can't stack up with the lifestyles bigger and more cosmopolitan can offer the rich. These are people with millions of dollars who can afford to live just about anywhere, why would they chose to come to city where the hockey team is obviously years away from success, that is cold and miserable most of the hockey season, and has a hellish travel schedule that would keep them away from home much more than cities in the east would?

copperandblue:

The likelihood of success is definitely a motivating factor in where free agents decide to go, but I fail to see how Edmonton offers anything in that category either.

And I don't think its unreasonable for free agents to be looking at non-hockey assets a city can offer. Do you? After all, at the end of the day, it is only a job for these guys, as hardcore as fans get about it.

Oilerdiehard:

Sykora was a player looking for a job. He wasn't a marquee player. I think we're talking about big name, upper echelon players who will make your team markedly better. Sykora is a talented player and has helped out but isn't in the class of players Edmonton needs and the type of players (I think) we're talking about. Tjarnqvist is the same. He would've likely signed with anyone who wanted him. The Oilers gave him a job.

As for him saying it on the air ... why not? It's what he's paid to do. You can take issue with the way in which he said it, but I'm not upset over the fact he did.

Jimmi Jenkins:

You're right, Buffalo is not a world-class city at all. It's a lot like Edmonton, in fact. What it does offer free agents is a great shot at success, an easy travel schedule, and close proximity to places like Toronto, Montreal, New York, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, etc.

I think that covers it.

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