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03-08-2007, 11:44 AM
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Ottawa and Calgary have been able to sign Free Agents, and been able to keep free agents no problem (and they are the same size as Edmonton, and have similar situations for young, rich people).
who has Calgary or Ottawa signed that was a big name UFA? Amonte? McCarty? Dean McAmmond? please...


off the top of my head, I can't think of any free agents the Oilers haven't been able to keep either

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Geez, ok everyone take a deep breath and relax for a second.

There is no disputing that Healy is unprofessional, ignorant, and uninformed, but the basis of his statements hold some truth.

OntOilerFan, much like Healy, may have been a tad blunt, but much of what they mentioned holds merit, and it might just be a bit difficult for those of us who live in this city to objectively agree.

Edmonton is not the armpit of North America, but it still hosts many undesirable factors (climate being the foremost factor) in comparisson with other available cities to play professional hockey.

This is why I feel that when we discover a player, who has a true passion for the City, as well as the team, we should give them a long look, and value them at a price higher than others (Smyth, Laraque, etc.).

I do not agree that NO player would want to come here to represent our team, however, I do agree that our city suffers a major disadvantage.

I'm friends with several Edmonton (and surrounding area) born NHL players, who have all but one, mentioned that they would rather play in many other cities before considering Edmonton.
Objectively agree that no one wants to sign in Edmonton? That's what Healy said and OntOilFan said he was 100% correct. Blunt is one thing. A flat out lie is another.

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OOF - Thanks for the response but that certainly does not speak to the fact that it being said that once again no one wants to come here. As I recall it he did not say no big names will go there or only lower level players will come here.

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So what are these mysterious amenities which so impress athletes and inspire them to greatness? Is it because the King Tut artifact tour didn't stop here? Is it because the Monet exhibit didn't come to E town? Is it because the Noam Chomskey lecture circuit skipped Edmonton? Is it because the ***** Cat Doll tour neglected to stop in Edmonton? What is it, I want to know.

I highly doubt that players like Chara went to Boston instead of Edmonton because of the historical significance, statuary and inspiration which signify the Boston Tea Party. If there was an empty arena in and Hamptons would Luongo have gone there to play in an empty arena because of the higher class of individuals, better property value and niche shopping opportunities?

It's all crap. These players to a man prefer chips to caviar and the only, the only legitimate opportunities which I can see which would make a destination more attractive than another is recreational opportunities that involve sports. Maybe living in Florida is pretty cool because you can go sport fishing on the ocean. Maybe Vancouver is pretty cool because you can ski or mountain bike. Seems pretty shallow and unimportant to me when matched up against playing in front of adoring if demanding fans and playing for an organization committed to winning. So that's why I call BS on location, location, location.

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03-08-2007, 12:03 PM
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Because it is. When you are missing a component in your team you are able to spend nothing but money and retain that asset to improve your team. We'll take the two favorite teams on this board and compare their success over the last two years.
If you leave yourself in a position that dictates signing an UFA as your only option of filling a hole then you are in bigger trouble than the spot you are trying to fill.

The vast majority of UFA signings are proven to be at an inflated price so. Now paying an inflated price for a guy like Chara can be excused. Being forced to pay an inflated price for say...Amonte becuase as you say that is the only option you have is, again, as you say...bad asset management.

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For Edmonton the needs were obvious. They needed a top end goaltender to hold the fort. They needed a couple of top end defenders that could eat up minutes and move the puck. They also needed a forward or two that was defensively responsible and could lend some grit. If he could play on the top two lines, that would be an added bonus. Did Edmonton address those needs? No. They had to go the route of a trade in almost every instance. The guys they did attract were not solid fits and missed the mark. "Shaggy" (one of the few nicknames I like) and Sykora were not good acquisitions IMO.
So reading between the lines here, Edmonton should have paid top dollar for yet another #4,5 or 6 defenceman on the UFA market to get better? Sure makes sense...

As for the goaltending, defensive forward and grit...even in hindsight I am not seeing it as much of a problem as I do the injuries that have ripped through the line up.

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For Calgary the needs were probably a little less obvious. They needed a couple defensemen to provide depth and a few forwards to provide depth and play specific roles. The needs were not as high profile, but they were still there. Sutter grabbed Hamrlik and he has turned into Calgary's best, and most consistent defenseman over his two seasons in Calgary. Zyuzin has filled his role well, although not living up to the unreasonable expectations of the fans. Amonte has been only a good acquisition, which I personally don't think is good enough for what was spent on him. But he has contributed and filled in improving the team. McCarty was a complete loss and a mistake. Friesen has been very good for the role Playfair has given him (and no, he was never brought in to score, or he would have been given time on the top line out of the gate). I think he's way too expensive for what he brings to the table, but for how he has played on the PK, and backfilling Yelle's role while he fights through injuries, he's been a solid short term investment. I personally look forward to several of these salaries coming off the books, but hope that a coule of the players will be brought back for less money (Hamrlik and Friesen).
Anyone can justify their favourite teams' signing's if they try hard enough particularily when it is in a thread that is comparing Edmonton and Calgary between Oilers fans and Flames fans. Personally I don't think any of the 4 signings Calgary made were particularily beneficial to them and I think that the Hamrlik signing gets overblown just like the Sykora one tends to get overblown up here. The litmus test on that one will be this spring when he once again likely disappears during the playoffs and Sutter is faced with the decision of resigning huim or letting him walk for nothing.

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Like Yannick Perreault? Good comments and pretty well right on the nose. The key is to identify the guys that will improve your team and do what you can to get them. If they are too expensive, you look at other options. That;s the nature of the game.
This is my underlying point. There are always a few good examples of well spent money but the vast majority of these signings are any thing but good value for your money. To plan on building a team through free agnecy is, in my opinion, stupid because of this. The odds are simply against you in making the right decision if you have banked on filling your holes in this manner.

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*cough* Horcoff *cough* *cough* Pisani*cough* *cough* Stoll*cough*
As I look into my crystal ball what do I see?

Ahh yes....*cough* Huselius*cough* *cough* Lankow*cough* *cough* Lombardi*cough*

Mind you I have no doubt in my mind that should Calgary be able to sign and keep these guys, they will for sure be seen as good signings by the infallible Mr Sutter.

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And sadly, you open up your stocking each year and find a lump of coal.
At least I recognize it.

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Unless you're the Oilers a year ago, where every trade worked like it was hoped and the team made some magic. Some things work out for some teams, and don't for others. Futures is a commodity that is swapped around a lot, and for the most part, only this site pays so much attention to it. Players come and go, and prospects are the original crap shoot. Teams recognize this and are willing to trade a future or two just for the run at the big prise. Imagine how disappointed you fans would have been last spring if Lowe didn't roll the dice and kick start that cinderella run? Or would you prefer the "futures" you gave away to make the deals in question?
If I didn't know better I would think you are trying to argue my point.

The best way to build it to turn your futures into the present. Some of this is done through keeping your best prospects but for the most part I see it as moving your assets for better assets because you will never fill a line up with your own prospects but there is always a guy out there that puts value in their potential.

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03-08-2007, 12:05 PM
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Geez, ok everyone take a deep breath and relax for a second.

There is no disputing that Healy is unprofessional, ignorant, and uninformed, but the basis of his statements hold some truth.

OntOilerFan, much like Healy, may have been a tad blunt, but much of what they mentioned holds merit, and it might just be a bit difficult for those of us who live in this city to objectively agree.

Edmonton is not the armpit of North America, but it still hosts many undesirable factors (climate being the foremost factor) in comparisson with other available cities to play professional hockey.

I do not agree that NO player would want to come here to represent our team, however, I do agree that our city suffers a major disadvantage.

I'm friends with several Edmonton (and surrounding area) born NHL players, who have all but one, mentioned that they would rather play in many other cities before considering Edmonton.
Posts like this really amaze me. I wonder what drives another human being who rarely posts to log-in and post something like this? Is it just to put them in their place? Make sure that they feel bad about where they live and make sure that they know you think they live in a hole? Does that make you feel better about where you live? Does it make you feel better about where you are in life? Is it your goal to dish out pychological malevelence?

Really? You think Edmonton suffers a major disadvantage? It seems that you and others like you have posted every single bash known to man, so I thought maybe it would be appropriate to point out a few positives.

Great tax structure
Great schools
Great culture
Great fan support
Great dressing room atmosphere
Great spring, summer, and fall weather.
Global warming

These are just the more general ones and I am sure I missed a few. One could add that young rich millionaire hockey players look for one thing more than any other. In Edmonton, unlike the vast majority of NHL cities, they are number #1 in that category.

But I guess it is cold in the winter and they don't plow the streets very well.

As a side note: Does anyone know what they are planning to build at 109th and Jasper? Those old two storys look pretty empty.

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03-08-2007, 12:10 PM
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It's Windsor Ontario
what about Windsor?

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Typical Toronto bashing from retards in the media. With the media saying all kinds of **** about Edmonton it really hinders the chances of Edmonton being any player's choice of city to play in

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What exactly are these amenities that attract young, rich pro athletes?
Young, rich, hot actresses (or actors... I ain't judgin') and models, I would wager. Beaches, for some. A wide array of options for fine dining and nightlife.

That said, these things are not the be all and end all of attracting free agents. Not everyone is after these things. Many hockey players have families. Many (even some superstars) grew up humbly and want to play humbly. Many value tradition. Many thrive on playing in a hockey hotbed. Many care mostly about the $ offered on the bottom line. Many want to see their puckhandling wizardry and goal-scoring acumen redirected into their real goal in life: becoming adequate third-line checkers .

Look, we're not Los Angeles or New York, but for some people that is a selling point. We're the Green Bay of hockey. There are worse fates in sport.

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The likelihood of success is definitely a motivating factor in where free agents decide to go, but I fail to see how Edmonton offers anything in that category either.
Success can be found in many different forms. The most obvious one when talking about an NHLer is the Stanley Cup and your right, as it sits at this moment Edmonton is well down the list on being able to gaurantee that chance. Just like a dozen other cities.

However success in terms of money, personal showcasing and being the big man on campus are all also forms of success and Edmonton can offer those things in spades.

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And I don't think its unreasonable for free agents to be looking at non-hockey assets a city can offer. Do you? After all, at the end of the day, it is only a job for these guys, as hardcore as fans get about it.
Sure it's reasonable but that isn't what I was questioning.

Why would you as a fan and more importantly why would any GM want to throw an inflated amount of money at a guy that puts his profession second to all the so called glitz and glamour that you suggest these guys are looking for?

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Geez, ok everyone take a deep breath and relax for a second.

There is no disputing that Healy is unprofessional, ignorant, and uninformed, but the basis of his statements hold some truth.

OntOilerFan, much like Healy, may have been a tad blunt, but much of what they mentioned holds merit, and it might just be a bit difficult for those of us who live in this city to objectively agree.

Edmonton is not the armpit of North America, but it still hosts many undesirable factors (climate being the foremost factor) in comparisson with other available cities to play professional hockey.

This is why I feel that when we discover a player, who has a true passion for the City, as well as the team, we should give them a long look, and value them at a price higher than others (Smyth, Laraque, etc.).

I do not agree that NO player would want to come here to represent our team, however, I do agree that our city suffers a major disadvantage.

I'm friends with several Edmonton (and surrounding area) born NHL players, who have all but one, mentioned that they would rather play in many other cities before considering Edmonton.
Nice objective post in a sea of reaction.

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Young, rich, hot actresses (or actors... I ain't judgin') and models, I would wager.
Aside from Avery, how many NHL players are dating young, rich, hot actresses?

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Beaches, for some. A wide array of options for fine dining and nightlife.
Fine dining generally isn't much of a requirement. The nightlife options in most of the big cities is fairly comparable. There may be more options, but they aren't necessarily better.

One of the best party cities I've ever been to in North America is Halifax... Atmosphere is just as important as options.

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That said, these things are not the be all and end all of attracting free agents. Not everyone is after these things. Many hockey players have families. Many (even some superstars) grew up humbly and want to play humbly. Many value tradition. Many thrive on playing in a hockey hotbed. Many care mostly about the $ offered on the bottom line. Many want to see their puckhandling wizardry and goal-scoring acumen redirected into their real goal in life: becoming adequate third-line checkers .

Look, we're not Los Angeles or New York, but for some people that is a selling point. We're the Green Bay of hockey. There are worse fates in sport.
Just so you know, I do agree with you, I'm just pointing out that for hockey players, a lot of this stuff is a moot point.

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Healy was 100% right on everything he said about Edmonton.
You try way too hard to be controversial.

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While it's true we will struggle in the UFA market, it doesn't preclude us from signing players that can help us like Hartnell or Preissing.

Secondly Sykora signed here and wants to stay here. Roloson signed here when he could bolted and signed with any number of teams after last summer's playoff run. Hemsky agreed to a 6 year extension. Etc.

Third the UFA market is overrated. Tell me which blockbuster UFA signing from last year has made a monsterous impact on his club? How's Boston doing with Chara + Savard?

If you're on the UFA market it's more than likely because the team you're on didn't value you enough to sign you to an extension earlier.

The biggest impact players from last summer -- Luongo, Tanguay, Demitra, Pronger, etc. were all acquired via trade. That's the market we should be looking at. The cap is a great equalizer in one sense that *all* teams now will have to make decisions like Edmonton does -- they will have to at some point choose to cut certain players loose.

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Aside from Avery, how many NHL players are dating young, rich, hot actresses?

Stoll is....oh wait I didn't see the 'young' part of your quote.

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I love these threads that pop up and vent about media bias, perceptions, attitudes, and opinions about this team and its city.

Personally, I prefer to filter information and consider the source. Glenn Healy? His job is to be a provocateur - make bold opinions and stir up ****. Frankly why care about what Glenn Healy thinks?

More broadly, I actually like to look at the different media perceptions about the Oil. Pretty interesting stuff to contrast the local, boosterism 'kid gloves' approach this team gets on the homefront with a national perspective given by squeeky wheels like Healy, Strachen, and others. The national viewpoint can be a bit extreme but there are often nuggets of truth within the bombastic approach.

It is good to get information from different sources. Especially on subjects like sports and entertainment, where in which 'toadyism' tends to sugar coat things and many media figures are drawn into the cult of celebrity association like moths to light.

On a different, but related note. Today's NHL player is much different that the days of old when rube farm kids just wanted to make the NHL. The Oil dynasty teams build on young, naive kids who just wanted to play the game. The 'modern' athlete is more discriminating, informed, savvy when making life decisions on where to play. Free Agency gives the play that power. Eric Lindros' decision to snub Quebec in my mind was a important turning point.

Bright lights, Big City is not a recent phenomena. Don't take it personally.

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i will mention again...how much time do athletes have during the season to actually enjoy the amenities offered by the city they play in?...

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Posts like this really amaze me. I wonder what drives another human being who rarely posts to log-in and post something like this?
My number of posts, or lack thereof, is not relevant to my opinion.

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you[/U] think they live in a hole? Does that make you feel better about where you live? Does it make you feel better about where you are in life? Is it your goal to dish out pychological malevelence?
Wow, I think you greatly misinterpreted my post. Maybe try reading it again.

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Lots to answer here:

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The point I'm making is one of lifestyle. The lifestyle a place like New York, LA, Miami or even Chicago or Boston can offer is just bigger and better than Edmonton can.
For who?

Anonymous hockey players who can walk through the city and not get recognized, or legitimate celebrities who don't need to be verified by 300 different people just to cut the line?

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There are nightclubs and concerts and plays in Edmonton and there are nightclubs and concerts and plays in New York. Which do you think offers the choice that would be more attractive to a professional athlete?
There's a bar in Toronto my friend owns. The majority of the time the Leafs hit the town, they hit this bar. It's not the classiest establishment, it's just your pretty run of the mill bar. There's also cottage country in the Huntsville Ontario area, where there are literally hundreds of NHL'ers who own property and spend large parts of their summers there.

We aren't talking about in the spotlight celebrities who need to one up each other by showing up at the newest hot-spot, wearing the newest Versace, talking to the next big thing.

Sure, there may be more options in places like New York, but for the most part, hockey players tend to congregate in similar locales.

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Again, I mean no disrespect to Edmonton (it is my hometown), but it just can't stack up with the lifestyles bigger and more cosmopolitan can offer the rich. These are people with millions of dollars who can afford to live just about anywhere, why would they chose to come to city where the hockey team is obviously years away from success, that is cold and miserable most of the hockey season, and has a hellish travel schedule that would keep them away from home much more than cities in the east would?
Those are actually legitimate reasons for not wanting to sign in Edmonton. The weather, travel and the fact that right now this hockey team isn't particularily good, are legitimate reasons.

The fact that another city may be a bit more cosmopolitan seems to matter very little to typical hockey players.

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If you leave yourself in a position that dictates signing an UFA as your only option of filling a hole then you are in bigger trouble than the spot you are trying to fill.
Every team is in the same position. Every team has holes in their lineup while they wait for players to develop or because of attrition. Those that don't/can't use free agency are at a dramatic disadvantage.

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The vast majority of UFA signings are proven to be at an inflated price so. Now paying an inflated price for a guy like Chara can be excused. Being forced to pay an inflated price for say...Amonte becuase as you say that is the only option you have is, again, as you say...bad asset management.
No one is forcing anyone to make any move. GM's make decisions based on the position of their club. For Calgary, the decision was resign a guy like Donovon or Gelinas or sign Amonte. In retrospect, they should have kept Gelinas IMO. But Sutter knew Amonte and knew what he could bring to the team, and one of the biggest things is supposedly his leadership ability. Playfair publicly apologized to Amonte for scratching him (a gutless move IMO) and explained that he did not realize the impact Amonte had in the room and on the bench. That type of presence some people will pay top dollar for. That is probably why Mike Peca is no longer an Oiler.

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So reading between the lines here, Edmonton should have paid top dollar for yet another #4,5 or 6 defenceman on the UFA market to get better? Sure makes sense...
Yeah, they should have, even if it was a one year contract. That would have added some depth to a brutally thin defense. You would have been much better off having another Steve Staios in the lineup rather than MA Bergeron or any of the kids from the farm.

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As for the goaltending, defensive forward and grit...even in hindsight I am not seeing it as much of a problem as I do the injuries that have ripped through the line up.
Everyone deals with injuries, that's why you have to develop some depth. Laugh all you want at Zyzuin, but he and Giordano helped out dramatically in keeping the Flames in the race when injuries hit Regehr, Warrener and Hamrlik. Depth helps you win games, and you need to pay something for that depth.

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Anyone can justify their favourite teams' signing's if they try hard enough particularily when it is in a thread that is comparing Edmonton and Calgary between Oilers fans and Flames fans. Personally I don't think any of the 4 signings Calgary made were particularily beneficial to them and I think that the Hamrlik signing gets overblown just like the Sykora one tends to get overblown up here. The litmus test on that one will be this spring when he once again likely disappears during the playoffs and Sutter is faced with the decision of resigning huim or letting him walk for nothing.
Hamrlik has been the Flames best defenseman for the past two seasons. His presence allowed the Flames to move Leopold for Tanguay. Again, depth allows you to make moves to improve your team. I don't know who wouldn't pay $3.5 million for a number one defenseman and a guy that has effectively rode shotgun, and been crutial to the development of, one of the best young players in the game. If you don't see the value in a player like that, you like have no clue as to why your team was dead and buried around Valentine's day.

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As I look into my crystal ball what do I see?
You have crystal balls? You should have that looked at!

Seriously, we'll see what Sutter throws at these guys. If his history is any indication I don't like the chances of anyone not named Langkow getting a hefty raise. Sutter has paid well for guys that are consistent, and has shunned the guys coming off of big years. We'll see what Huselius and Lombardi get. One of us will probably be happy, and the other will pissed. Which will it be? No idea, but if I had to guess I think you'll be more upset than me using Sutter's track record as a guide.

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Really? You think Edmonton suffers a major disadvantage? It seems that you and others like you have posted every single bash known to man, so I thought maybe it would be appropriate to point out a few positives.

Great tax structure
Better elsewhere, especially for someone making millions of dollars a year.

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Great schools
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Great culture
A mullet and an '84 Camaro hardly pass as culture.

All kidding aside, Edmonton is waaaaaaaaay down the list on cities that have "culture" (don't worry, Calgary is in the exact same boat). American cities have other professional sports, more theatre, more opportunities to see live music, more everything. Also, if you're south, you get to participate in outdoor activities that do not include a snow suit and muckaluks 360+ days of the year. For guys who golf a lot, that is a massive bonus.

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Same as in any city... if you're winning. The difference between American and Canadian cities is when the team is losing. In most American cities the players have a sense of anonymity that is great when the team is struggling. In the Canadian cities, its brutal and the players hate it for the most part. Imagine not being able to go to the mall or to a movie because the fans give you a hard time or no privacy. Think it doesn't happen? Just ask any player.

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Huh? Better talk to the players leaving Edmonton and how happy they are to get away from MacTavish and Lowe.

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As my wife pointed out endlessly when we lived in Canada, spring, summer and fall are about four moths long, and sometimes happen on the same day. Seriously, you need to get out of the permafrost and see what the seasons are really like. Man, you can golf into December in some of the northern States, and the season picks back up in February. If you're south, you're golfing all year round. Where I live, the heaviest jacket I put on is a wind breaker, and that's in January. I drive around with the top down 11 months of the year.

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Geez, ok everyone take a deep breath and relax for a second.

There is no disputing that Healy is unprofessional, ignorant, and uninformed, but the basis of his statements hold some truth.

OntOilerFan, much like Healy, may have been a tad blunt, but much of what they mentioned holds merit, and it might just be a bit difficult for those of us who live in this city to objectively agree.

Edmonton is not the armpit of North America, but it still hosts many undesirable factors (climate being the foremost factor) in comparisson with other available cities to play professional hockey.

This is why I feel that when we discover a player, who has a true passion for the City, as well as the team, we should give them a long look, and value them at a price higher than others (Smyth, Laraque, etc.).

I do not agree that NO player would want to come here to represent our team, however, I do agree that our city suffers a major disadvantage.

I'm friends with several Edmonton (and surrounding area) born NHL players, who have all but one, mentioned that they would rather play in many other cities before considering Edmonton.
I agree with Replacement, a nice objective perspective. Solid post my friend.

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Yes, because there's so much in it for me to fool a bunch of internet people into believing I'm from Edmonton when I'm really not.

Get a life.
OOF what happened? You were behaving yourself so well and then regressed again. People were actually starting to like you here. Are you afraid of intimacy?

Honestly though, I love Edmonton, it was probably my favorite place so far to live (I've lived in Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver and Peace River). But if I was a rich, successful hockey player, who could play pretty much anywhere in free agency, why in the HECK would I play in a city thats SO far away from everything, SO cold in the winter, and the fans are INSANE???? I would be looking to play in a place with a good climate, good travel so I could see my friends and family, and world class amenities.

It is a FACT, its not meant as an insult to Edmonton or its citizens. OOF just isn't interested in tact, and frankly I think he gets off a little on ruffling feathers over here.

I think the reason people (myself included) hate Glenn Healy is because he is an arrogant, know it all SOB. He presents things in such a way as to say: "This is the way it is, if you don't like it tough crap, and I am way better than you"

What a ******.

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Every team is in the same position. ...
This is getting too far off point for me.

I will leave it at that other than to say that I don't agree but that as an Oilers fan, I do wish that you could some how managed to become GM of the Flames.

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Stoll is....oh wait I didn't see the 'young' part of your quote.
And he plays in Edmonton!

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