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03-08-2007, 07:18 PM
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Is it time for Gainey to come back behind the bench?

Either that or, Carbo being fired? Either way..it's time for a change.

And please don't come in here "like omgz what a stoopid thread, don't worry it's just a slump lolzzz"

Honestly, it's time for a change, right?

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Either that or, Carbo being fired? Either way..it's time for a change.

And please don't come in here "like omgz what a stoopid thread, don't worry it's just a slump lolzzz"

Honestly, it's time for a change, right?
Tremblay, Vigneault, Therien, Julien, Gainey, Carbo in the last ten years. We've had enough change in that department.

The players are to blame first and foremost.

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Tremblay, Vigneault, Therien, Julien, Gainey, Carbo in the last ten years. We've had enough change in that department.

The players are to blame first and foremost.
Yes but the deadline is over so it's not like we can acquire anyone. We need a change, and fast..

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As long as it means he won't be the GM anymore.

Carobonneau is clearly not the problem. People ask him to win with this team, but without talented players, that's not an easy task. Both our offense and defense aren't playoff caliber, and now that Huet is injured, it shows that he was the only reasons we had a winning team.

The players are talentess, but for some reason you people are blaming the coach


A ****ing rebuild, a complete rebuild, 5 years at the bottom of the league, that's the solution.

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Tremblay, Vigneault, Therien, Julien, Gainey, Carbo in the last ten years. We've had enough change in that department.
Aside from Gainey, how many of them had even one game of NHL experience before coaching the Habs?

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Either that or, Carbo being fired? Either way..it's time for a change.

And please don't come in here "like omgz what a stoopid thread, don't worry it's just a slump lolzzz"

Honestly, it's time for a change, right?
I disagree. I'd let him there. The roster is the problem. Individually, the prospects aren't bad, the players aren't that bad, the coaches aren't that bad.

It's been management issues for 10 years.

You need to build a solid core that makes sense. Then, you can actually compete. But this team isn't a competitive NHL team. No chemistry, no leadership, no stability. Shaky confidence and so-so talent does not allow you to do much better than that.

Claude Julien is thanking his stars right now for actually being hired by a GM who knows what he is doing in a first class organisation.

Carbo is a smart guy, a former Habs warrior and he deserves to at least get a chance with a decent roster.

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Yes but the deadline is over so it's not like we can acquire anyone. We need a change, and fast..
Call; up Grabovski, Milroy, Ferland, Locke, D'Agostini, Chipchura, Danis, Coté, Jancevski... What the hell... The whole Hamilton Club would not do worse...

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Yes but the deadline is over so it's not like we can acquire anyone. We need a change, and fast..
The change we need is players playing well. Period.

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Aside from Gainey, how many of them had even one game of NHL experience before coaching the Habs?
So? You suggest we hire some Murray or Sutter instead? A guy with tons of experience who hasn't won anything either? Carbo is just getting started guys, get use to him.

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As long as it means he won't be the GM anymore.

Carobonneau is clearly not the problem. People ask him to win with this team, but without talented players, that's not an easy task. Both our offense and defense aren't playoff caliber, and now that Huet is injured, it shows that he was the only reasons we had a winning team.

The players are talentess, but for some reason you people are blaming the coach


A ****ing rebuild, a complete rebuild, 5 years at the bottom of the league, that's the solution.
Talentless ? Maybe....
Heartless ? For sure !

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Yes but the deadline is over so it's not like we can acquire anyone. We need a change, and fast..
Why? There's no point in making the playoffs that team...

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Either that or, Carbo being fired? Either way..it's time for a change.

And please don't come in here "like omgz what a stoopid thread, don't worry it's just a slump lolzzz"

Honestly, it's time for a change, right?
No ! Not another coaching changes. And I don't think that gainey is in the right frame of mind right now to go behind the bench. I've got the impression he's gonna resign at the end of this year. What a terrible, terrible year for him. Makes me sad !

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Talentless ? Maybe....
Heartless ? For sure !
Heartless because the expectations are high, way too high, and they can't achieve it, so they abandoned. You can't win a cup only with heart, it takes talent, loads of it. If you don't have it, rebuild...

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Heartless because the expectations are high, way too high, and they can't achieve it, so they abandoned. You can't win a cup only with heart, it takes talent, loads of it. If you don't have it, rebuild...
They are more talented than they are showing. Those guys just abandoned.

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They are more talented than they are showing. Those guys just abandoned.
Talent?? Where?

1. Markov
2. Koivu?
3. ?

Look at the teams in front us us in the standings, they all are better on paper than us. We are in Boston and Florida territory, but have a good goalie in Huet.

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It's not a talent thing, it's not a heart thing, it's an organisation thing. We have no identity in our organisation - we havn't since Lafleur left. We have to flush the whole org, tell the French media to **** the hell off, and try and build ourselves an identity suited for the New NHL.

You could put Lecavalier, Ovechkin, and Crosby in a Habs jersey and they still wouldn't produce. Why do you think it is that every time a big-time offensive player comes to Montreal they suddenly can't score? Our org sucks - TEAR IT DOWN!

Furthermore, we're an unbelievable soft mental team... wow. I've never seen it - we're up by two goals "Ah, we're good, no need to use any more gas, what with the environment at all." We're down two goals, "Ah, oh well, at least we're not down - oh, hey look, down three goals. Ah well!" When we won 6 in a row, we said "Ah, we're too good for effort!" and turned off the jets, and when we started losing we just never bothered to turn them back on again.

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Yeah just blame the coach again

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Talent?? Where?

1. Markov
2. Koivu?
3. ?

Look at the teams in front us us in the standings, they all are better on paper than us. We are in Boston and Florida territory, but have a good goalie in Huet.
I did not write that they were very talented, or have an abundance of talent, but Markov, Koivu, Higgins, Kovalev, Samsonov, Souray, even Bonk, have some talent. Komisarek ain't bad. Plekanec has a good hockey sense.

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It's not a talent thing, it's not a heart thing, it's an organisation thing. We have no identity in our organisation - we havn't since Lafleur left. We have to flush the whole org, tell the French media to **** the hell off, and try and build ourselves an identity suited for the New NHL.

You could put Lecavalier, Ovechkin, and Crosby in a Habs jersey and they still wouldn't produce. Why do you think it is that every time a big-time offensive player comes to Montreal they suddenly can't score? Our org sucks - TEAR IT DOWN!
Players produced here the same as elsewhere. Damphousse, Recchi, Turgeon. But since 10 years the best player is Koivu. Saku freaking Koivu. I like him a lot btw, but when a 60 points player is your leading scorer year after year when he's not injured, you've got a problem...

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Players produced here the same as elsewhere. Damphousse, Recchi, Turgeon. But since 10 years the best player is Koivu. Saku freaking Koivu. I like him a lot btw, but when a 60 points player is your leading scorer year after year when he's not injured, you've got a problem...
That's three players who have produced up to their potential in the last 15 years - three! Look at all the other's who came here and had their wheels fall right off. There is no offensive creativity in this organisation, none at all.

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I did not write that they were very talented, or have an abundance of talent, but Markov, Koivu, Higgins, Kovalev, Samsonov, Souray, even Bonk, have some talent. Komisarek ain't bad. Plekanec has a good hockey sense.
Boston is as talented than us...

Savard, Sturm, Bergeron, Chara, Ward (ok they made some weird trades recently...)

Higgins is overrated by the fans, Samsonov haven't good in a long time, Kovalev is Kovalev, Souray is good on the PP (he's our Jason Allison), Bonk/Johnson/Plekanec are third liners, Ryder is the kind of guy that other team get on waivers when they have injuries in their lineup and the kids are ok, but nothing too impressive. And We have 2 good denfensemen in Markov and Komisarek.

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Players produced here the same as elsewhere. Damphousse, Recchi, Turgeon. But since 10 years the best player is Koivu. Saku freaking Koivu. I like him a lot btw, but when a 60 points player is your leading scorer year after year when he's not injured, you've got a problem...
We all know that. Now, how can you get a better forward than him ? Draft one ? The team is not finishing low enough. Getting a UFA ? Who wants to come ? A trade ? For whom ? For youngsters like Higgins, Komisarek, Price. No way.

I still can't understand that Gainey was unable to get a guy like Ryan Smyth at the trade deadline. Edmonton did not receive much for him from the Isles. We will never know if he tried or not to do any moves. He is not adressing the media (so: the fans who are paying his salary).

What went wrong with this team this year ? Your answer is as good as mine.

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We don't have a single 1st line player on this team.

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That's three players who have produced up to their potential in the last 15 years - three! Look at all the other's who came here and had their wheels fall right off. There is no offensive creativity in this organisation, none at all.
What other players? No one expected anything from Kovalev, Samsonov, Czerkawsky, Audette, Linden or Berezin. Am I missing someone? Rucinsky? Gilmour?

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I think the coach is fine. Fact is we had a better start then anyone expected and in all reality we are right where everyone thought we would be before the season started.

Are our chance slim...yes...big part of me has hope they can pull it off.

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We all know that. Now, how can you get a better forward than him ? Draft one ? The team is not finishing low enough. Getting a UFA ? Who wants to come ? A trade ? For whom ? For youngsters like Higgins, Komisarek, Price. No way.

I still can't understand that Gainey was unable to get a guy like Ryan Smyth at the trade deadline. Edmonton did not receive much for him from the Isles. We will never know if he tried or not to do any moves. He is not adressing the media (so: the fans who are paying his salary).

What went wrong with this team this year ? Your answer is as good as mine.
You don't build a team with UFAs. Unless those guys answer to the name of Chris Pronger or Scott Niedermayer. The Habs should have realized a long time ago they were going nowhere, then trade their assets for prospects/draft picks. This year, it's realistic to think they could have got 2 first rounders for Souray or Markov, who are UFAs at the end of the year anyway, while as i said earlier, there's no point in making the playoffs with that team anyway. Look at what the Blues are doing right now, that's the way to go. They'll have a really strong team sooner than later. You sign UFAs in the summer, than trade them at the deadline.

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