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03-09-2007, 01:33 PM
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Replace Souray

Ok here is a little game I thought up. I think we can all agree, for the most part, that Souray is gone, either because he wants to leave or because he will get more money that the team is willing to pay.

I think to keep Souray in Montreal will require a $6 million contract. That's way too much, but keep in mind everything that Souray brings to the table.

So the point of the game is to replace what Souray brings with *around* $6 million worth of free agent aquisitions. You need to be realistic with what the free agents will accept too, so no cheap contracts for top players.

I know it's hard to judge who will be signed because ultimately, it's the players' choice whether they sign or not, and situations change, but it's just for fun.

Here are my picks:

1. Georges Laraque: $1 million - I was wrong about this guy last year. He's not done, he can still get the job done and would replace Souray's toughness and heart.
2. Sami Salo: $3.2 million - He's basically a clone of Souray before his breakout season (hard shot, injury prone) but better defensively. He's probably better than Souray overall.
3. Kimmo Timonen: $3.8 million - He's an awesome defenceman on both sides of the ice. Good leadership too.

Total: $8 million. It's a bit more than what Souray would get, but it brings ALOT of value to the team.

I may have undervalued what Timonen will get though. It's hard to say with d-men.

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Laraque is not a free agent.

I think Salo would be a top choice for me. At a reasonable rate around 3, it would probably cost us closer to 4 to get him out of Vancouver. He is a good PP guy with a right handed shot and is actually solid defensively and has always been a + player.

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I like your 2 D moves, but I dont want Laraque.(and hes signed past this year ?? no?)

Mcgrattan is gonna be available? I really want a crazy fighter as well, but not @ 1m.

I think Timonen will get 4.5m.

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Timonen would be awesome because he is a awesome D-man but that would put us terribly small and weak physsicly on defence. Timonen, Bouillon, Streit, Gorges outch thats way too small and weak to compete.

and he will cost more close to 5 mil$+.

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03-09-2007, 01:43 PM
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To me both Timonen and Salo will get more than the prices you listed.

Timonen is one of the most underrated dmen in the league. I'd rank him just a shade below Markov. He's going to get 4.5+ imo.

Salo as you said has a lot of positives going for him. He's not as physical as Souray, and I don't know if he brings the same leadership but he does have the hard shot and he's a solid defensive guy. I could see him getting around 4 million.

For Souray's toughness factor, you can replace that with a waiver wire enforcer pickup, so about 450K.

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Laraque isn't UFA this season, so you might have to re-think that one.

I'd probably sign Salo, but I think it would take more than $3.2 million. Maybe $4 or $4.3 million. My second choice would be Hannan, but he's not exactly Souray's type.
In terms of character I'm not sure you're going to pick up someone. If Aucoin's bought out and will sign a cheap contract (and we can unload one of Dandenault or Bouillon) then I might pick him up. There is of course Smyth, but I think $5.5 million is too much for what he brings to the table.

I'd then try my damnedest to bring Emelin over.

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My mistake, I thought Laraque only had a 1 year deal.

Timonen might get over $4 mill...If that's the case, take away from the mill I set aside for Laraque and give it to Kimmo.

For the enforcer, I'm sure someone else is out there. I'd have to think it over.

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another player that greatly interests me is Schneider. Sure he is getting older, but he's still offers a great first pass, solid D and veteran leadership.

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My original choice was Norstrom, but he's signed past this year. I was really hoping he'd be UFA.

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Vitaly Vishnevski is another guy that could fit in, he offers a very high physical aspect and is a devastating hitter.

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another player that greatly interests me is Schneider. Sure he is getting older, but he's still offers a great first pass, solid D and veteran leadership.
Mat is someone I thought about but ultimately, he's not that great defensively anymore. I don't think he can play the same minutes like he used to.

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Ok here is a little game I thought up. I think we can all agree, for the most part, that Souray is gone, either because he wants to leave or because he will get more money that the team is willing to pay.

I think to keep Souray in Montreal will require a $6 million contract. That's way too much, but keep in mind everything that Souray brings to the table.

So the point of the game is to replace what Souray brings with *around* $6 million worth of free agent aquisitions. You need to be realistic with what the free agents will accept too, so no cheap contracts for top players.

I know it's hard to judge who will be signed because ultimately, it's the players' choice whether they sign or not, and situations change, but it's just for fun.

Here are my picks:

1. Georges Laraque: $1 million - I was wrong about this guy last year. He's not done, he can still get the job done and would replace Souray's toughness and heart.
2. Sami Salo: $3.2 million - He's basically a clone of Souray before his breakout season (hard shot, injury prone) but better defensively. He's probably better than Souray overall.
3. Kimmo Timonen: $3.8 million - He's an awesome defenceman on both sides of the ice. Good leadership too.

Total: $8 million. It's a bit more than what Souray would get, but it brings ALOT of value to the team.

I may have undervalued what Timonen will get though. It's hard to say with d-men.

I love your choices but can't see how Timonen or Salo cost less than 4 or 4,5 million

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Vitaly Vishnevski is another guy that could fit in, he offers a very high physical aspect and is a devastating hitter.
Another guy I thought about, but he doesn't have much gas in the tank and is always getting hurt.

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I love your choices but can't see how Timonen or Salo cost less than 4 or 4,5 million
I guess you're right...I really hate how the market for defensemen has gone up so much. It used to be that most top d-men got $5 mil max...Guys like Salo wouldn't go for more than $3 mil. Now, with top guys getting $7 mil, and mediocre guys getting $5 mil, it really screws everything up.

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Tom motha****in Preissing boys.

Great first pass and reliable defensively...He won't get more than 3m.

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Another guy I thought about, but he doesn't have much gas in the tank and is always getting hurt.
Lubomir Vishnovsky is 31, but Vitaly Vishnesky is only 27.

I can't say I follow either guy too closely, and I don't know which is UFA, but Lubo has turned into a fantastic offensive dman. One of the best in the league. He'd be a good fit here, although like Timonen, he doesn't bring much size.

I'd like a Vitaly type of guy too though. Big, tough guy who can hit and block shots. Wouldn't bring much offense though.

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The reason I think these guys could potentially go for less is because alot of teams are getting strapped for cap space. There aren't many teams with the ability to be huge shoppers after the crazy contracts handed out last season and the teams that over-indulged. Also keep in mind that Salo and Timonen likely won't be the top FAs this summer, and the teams with money to spend will lose alot of cap space on the Brieres and the Drurys and all that.

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I think Emelin is really a no brainer to bring in, particularly in this market.

Also, we could free ourselfves of Bouillon and play someone like Obyrne or Coté.

Markov-Timonen
Komisarek-Emelin
Streit-Dandenault
Bouillon, Coté.

Edit: Forgot Curious Gorges! lol


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Tom motha****in Preissing boys.

Great first pass and reliable defensively...He won't get more than 3m.
I didn't even know he was a FA. I'd definately consider him, he's not bad at all. Wasn't he a + player even when Ottawa was stinking it up the first half of the year?

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Lubomir Vishnovsky is 31, but Vitaly Vishnesky is only 27.

I can't say I follow either guy too closely, and I don't know which is UFA, but Lubo has turned into a fantastic offensive dman. One of the best in the league. He'd be a good fit here, although like Timonen, he doesn't bring much size.

I'd like a Vitaly type of guy too though. Big, tough guy who can hit and block shots. Wouldn't bring much offense though.
Vitaly is the FA, and I didn't mean it as he doesn't have much left in his career. I worded it wrong, i meant it like he doesn't have much in the tank to begin with. He deteriorates significantly by the end of the season, and I think after this year, we've had enough of that.

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I guess you're right...I really hate how the market for defensemen has gone up so much. It used to be that most top d-men got $5 mil max...Guys like Salo wouldn't go for more than $3 mil. Now, with top guys getting $7 mil, and mediocre guys getting $5 mil, it really screws everything up.
Yeah, the market for dmen has gone crazy. I think it puts a huge premium on drafting though. I think that these days teams need to be able to draft good, young, NHL caliber dmen who can play the no.5/6 role for 500K to 900K.

Hopefully for us guys like Gorges, Emelin, Fischer, O'Byrne etc...will end up taking the Bouillon/Dandenault spots and we can spend more money on getting some top notch, top 4 guys.

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I didn't even know he was a FA. I'd definately consider him, he's not bad at all. Wasn't he a + player even when Ottawa was stinking it up the first half of the year?
If I'm not mistaken, Preissing was leading the league for a good part of the first half of the year...even when the sens were struggling.

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Ok here is a little game I thought up. I think we can all agree, for the most part, that Souray is gone, either because he wants to leave or because he will get more money that the team is willing to pay.

I think to keep Souray in Montreal will require a $6 million contract. That's way too much, but keep in mind everything that Souray brings to the table.

So the point of the game is to replace what Souray brings with *around* $6 million worth of free agent aquisitions. You need to be realistic with what the free agents will accept too, so no cheap contracts for top players.

I know it's hard to judge who will be signed because ultimately, it's the players' choice whether they sign or not, and situations change, but it's just for fun.

Here are my picks:

1. Georges Laraque: $1 million - I was wrong about this guy last year. He's not done, he can still get the job done and would replace Souray's toughness and heart.
2. Sami Salo: $3.2 million - He's basically a clone of Souray before his breakout season (hard shot, injury prone) but better defensively. He's probably better than Souray overall.

3. Kimmo Timonen: $3.8 million - He's an awesome defenceman on both sides of the ice. Good leadership too.

Total: $8 million. It's a bit more than what Souray would get, but it brings ALOT of value to the team.

I may have undervalued what Timonen will get though. It's hard to say with d-men.


Dude...before entering the thread those were the 2 names that I was thinking about. GJ.

But Salo will get something like $4-4.5 million.

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Gorges .5M as our 6th d-man...Ric Jackman .5M as our 7th d-man...Dan Briere 5.5M as our 1st center...

Total: 6.5M

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Gorges .5M as our 6th d-man...Ric Jackman .5M as our 7th d-man...Dan Briere 5.5M as our 1st center...

Total: 6.5M
Markov - Komisarek
Bouillon - Dandenault
Gorges - Streit
Jackman

Not a great D...

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I was just chatting on IRC with some people who think that Zidlicky might be available should Nashville look to re-sign Timonen. If Souray does indeed bolt, Zidlicky would be a decent acquisition who's signed for 3 more seasons at $3.5 million per. He doesn't have the power shot Souray has, but he's very good on the PP, and is a good passer.

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