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03-09-2007, 01:31 PM
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Markov - Komisarek
Bouillon - Dandenault
Gorges - Streit
Jackman

Not a great D...

I know but i'm sure we're better defensively with Gorges in the lineup instead of Sheldon "brain cramps" Souray...

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03-09-2007, 01:46 PM
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I hope the prices for defenceman level off soon, i hope the prices this summer aren't as outrageous as last year. perhaps the GM's will be less willing to throw boat loads of money around this summer, unfortunately it only takes one gm to give out an outrageous contract, and drive up the prices.

Salo might be an option depending on the money he's commanding, he's a right handed right defenceman who can play, which are a valueable commodity.imo

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03-09-2007, 01:56 PM
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I just don't see how we get a defenseman with a reputation like Salo or Timonen to come here. If they sign for $4M (Eric Brewer and Jay McKee money, remember), then I think that would only be because they're giving hometown discounts to their current teams because they're happy there. If their hometown teams can't afford them even with that discount, and the bidding goes onto the open market... well... the price goes upwards quickly (Kim Johnsson got over $4M too).

Laracque has nis NTC and he has a pretty good gig right now... his incentive to waive that and come here is... ?

I dunno, I imagine we'll be trawling the Plan D waters for rejects again if we can't get Souray signed. And in that scenario, trawling for the less pricey ones like Jackman and hoping for a miracle is better than looking for the next Samsonov IMHO.

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No more plans D's please. we are better of with nothing than a plan D

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I was just chatting on IRC with some people who think that Zidlicky might be available should Nashville look to re-sign Timonen. If Souray does indeed bolt, Zidlicky would be a decent acquisition who's signed for 3 more seasons at $3.5 million per. He doesn't have the power shot Souray has, but he's very good on the PP, and is a good passer.
I think that Zidlicky would be a great option. Those people on IRC are pretty smart.

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03-09-2007, 02:02 PM
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Laracque has nis NTC and he has a pretty good gig right now... his incentive to waive that and come here is... ?
I may be mistaken, but I think that once a player with a NTC waives it and is traded, the NTC no longer applies.

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03-09-2007, 02:08 PM
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I may be mistaken, but I think that once a player with a NTC waives it and is traded, the NTC no longer applies.
Even if that was true (which wouldn't seem logical to me)... turn it around... the Pens just traded for Laracque because they desperately wanted a guy who could play and protect Sid. They are going to turn around and trade him to us because... ? We overpay massively for him? Because he gets in their doghouse too for his lackadaisicality like he did with Gretzky? Wait, why do we want a lackadaisical enforcer again?

I don't know, I guess Laracque just doesn't seem like any kind of solution I wanted to hear about, that's all.

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03-09-2007, 02:19 PM
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Even if that was true (which wouldn't seem logical to me)... turn it around... the Pens just traded for Laracque because they desperately wanted a guy who could play and protect Sid. They are going to turn around and trade him to us because... ? We overpay massively for him? Because he gets in their doghouse too for his lackadaisicality like he did with Gretzky? Wait, why do we want a lackadaisical enforcer again?

I don't know, I guess Laracque just doesn't seem like any kind of solution I wanted to hear about, that's all.
I only suggested him because I thought he was going to be UFA.

He's still the heavyweight champ.

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03-09-2007, 02:22 PM
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we could definately use an super heavyweight enforcer who actually intimidates or scares the other team, we haven't had a guy like this in quite some time. it shouldn't be a top priority but definately needs to be addressed.

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03-09-2007, 02:27 PM
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Where would Laraque fit in the lineup anyway? We have what seems to be an infinite supply of 3rd and 4th line players.

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03-09-2007, 02:30 PM
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Where would Laraque fit in the lineup anyway? We have what seems to be an infinite supply of 3rd and 4th line players.
Carbo dresses about 72 defensemen per game. We could find room.

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03-09-2007, 02:51 PM
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Carbo dresses about 72 defensemen per game. We could find room.
lol that got a pretty good laugh out of me.

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03-09-2007, 02:54 PM
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Kimmo Timmonen would be great! Maybe sign Eric Belanger and a power forward?

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03-09-2007, 02:57 PM
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Kimmo Timmonen would be great! Maybe sign Eric Belanger and a power forward?
For a sec I thought you wrong "sign Belanger as a power forward" and I got really confused.

Guerin would look nice I think. He's still got it.

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yeah I would have to be blind to make that assessment. But Belanger is a fast player who would be a real solid 3rd-4th line player. BONUS: hes french

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I hope the prices for defenceman level off soon, i hope the prices this summer aren't as outrageous as last year.
I think the prices won't stabilize until the cap stops rising. Once that happens, the most spend-happy GMs will finally find themselves handcuffed.

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03-09-2007, 04:20 PM
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Kimmo Timmonen would be great! Maybe sign Eric Belanger and a power forward?
Belanger doesn't want to come to Montreal, it's in the papers today.


In any case, UFA's are by definition overpaid.


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03-09-2007, 04:39 PM
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Belanger doesn't want to come to Montreal, it's in the papers today.


In any case, UFA's are by definition overpaid.
what... your saying the papers are telling the truth? are we sure they are not making it up for there own agenda? do we have the tape? i'm joking btw, before someone starts getting upset.

UFA's aren't the awnser imo. yup that's what happens when multiple people are bidding on the same thing=overpayment

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03-09-2007, 05:43 PM
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Ok here is a little game I thought up. I think we can all agree, for the most part, that Souray is gone, either because he wants to leave or because he will get more money that the team is willing to pay.

I think to keep Souray in Montreal will require a $6 million contract. That's way too much, but keep in mind everything that Souray brings to the table.

So the point of the game is to replace what Souray brings with *around* $6 million worth of free agent aquisitions. You need to be realistic with what the free agents will accept too, so no cheap contracts for top players.

I know it's hard to judge who will be signed because ultimately, it's the players' choice whether they sign or not, and situations change, but it's just for fun.

Here are my picks:

1. Georges Laraque: $1 million - I was wrong about this guy last year. He's not done, he can still get the job done and would replace Souray's toughness and heart.
2. Sami Salo: $3.2 million - He's basically a clone of Souray before his breakout season (hard shot, injury prone) but better defensively. He's probably better than Souray overall.
3. Kimmo Timonen: $3.8 million - He's an awesome defenceman on both sides of the ice. Good leadership too.

Total: $8 million. It's a bit more than what Souray would get, but it brings ALOT of value to the team.

I may have undervalued what Timonen will get though. It's hard to say with d-men.

I doubt Souray is gone. Gainey is very loyal that way. I see a future 4 year - 20 million dollar contract for Souray in Montreal. I am dead against it but I see it coming

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03-09-2007, 05:48 PM
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I doubt Souray is gone. Gainey is very loyal that way. I see a future 4 year - 20 million dollar contract for Souray in Montreal. I am dead against it but I see it coming
5M$ wouldn't be that bad, if I believed Souray could get less than McCabe while the salary cap will rise next year I would say it's a good deal. Not great, just good.

I don't believe you can get Sheldon for that amount, sorry.

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I was just chatting on IRC with some people who think that Zidlicky might be available should Nashville look to re-sign Timonen. If Souray does indeed bolt, Zidlicky would be a decent acquisition who's signed for 3 more seasons at $3.5 million per. He doesn't have the power shot Souray has, but he's very good on the PP, and is a good passer.
Zidlicky for 3 years @ 3.5M$ will be a bargain in this market.

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