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03-10-2007, 01:48 PM
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Don Cherry on HNIC

I was reading the NYI board, their Ryan Smyth thread.

They say that Cherry said that if Edmonton signs Smyth as a free agent this year, there should be an investigation looking for colusion?

Did anyone hear what Cherry said?

If the above is accurate, what is Cherry talking about?

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03-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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Sure... that investigation will start right after the ones into Weight and Recchi from last season.

Grapes is entertaining and all, but he's also an idiot.

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Collusion? I guess Cherry would be suggesting that Smyth and the Oilers have a handshake deal for Smyth to come back to Edmonton at the end of the season, sort of like Doug Weight and the Blues did. Essentially Smyth has no intention of leaving Edmonton and this has all be elaborate theater.

Considering there is no rule in the CBA that forbides a free agent from being traded and then resigning with their original team, I can't imagine what grounds Cherry thinks this should be investigated. Collusion is usually mentioned in consideration of two groups of people who are normally competitors fixing prices and gouging consumers by not having to worry about being undercut.

I think rather than saying that if Smyth resigns here there should be an investigation, Cherry would be talking less out of his ass if he said Smyth would deserve an Oscar.

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Cherry did say that if Smyth signs with Oilers during the off-season, then its a FRAUD, league should not allowed this. Yes Don is another idiot, i mean you are an UFA and could sign with whatever team he wants including Edmonton.

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LOL... another good one by Cherry... When was this??? Can't believe I missed it.

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Cherry did say that if Smyth signs with Oilers during the off-season, then its a FRAUD, league should not allowed this. Yes Don is another idiot, i mean you are an UFA and could sign with whatever team he wants including Edmonton.
The TSN "reporters" panel was on this issue during the earlier part of trade deadline day. Michael Farber of SI was particularly vocal about this being a problem. My good friend Glen Healy had the best response to this. UFAs can sign with their prior team because the CBA says they can. Absolutely bang on was he.

As for Cherry, Ryan Smyth is a bad example, because I have absolutely no belief of any handshake deal. I think TD day was all about trying to get a deal done and a real negotiation that broke down. If Ryan Smyth comes back, it will be only because he's gotten over whatever "hurt" he may feel about being traded and/or that he finds out that no one else has offered the same total package as the Oilers did.

I'd be extremely surprised if Smyth even becomes available after July 1, however. Wang is the king of long term deals. (BTW, if Smyth does sign for big bucks in LI, I would be all over giving offer sheets RFA's like Trent Hunter that the Isles will be wanting to stiff if they commit too much for Smyth and possibly blake. We'll see I guess).

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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.

Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue.

What Cherry was speaking to was the issue of UFA's being traded at the deadline to ensure a return and then signing back with their former team that off-season. I, for one, think it's an idea that warrants discussion.

Normally, I'm inclined to let the free market act how it will, but the NHL is already highly regulated and this is a regulation that has some merit. It turns NHL players, basically, into prostitutes and cheats teams out of players/prospects though agreements that are made between players and their teams in private.

Maybe a 1-year no-return rule should be in place? Cherry is far from the only commentator to bring this up. And just because he used the Oilers as an example doesn't make him an idiot.

Good grief.

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I don't pay any stock to what Chery says anymore. He's just there to create theater. It does sound logical that a player should not be able to return to an old club once he gets traded within a year but that would be restriction of choice and movement. So what if parties agree that a player will come back? If it's not written then it is ok.

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I agree....

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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.

Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue.

What Cherry was speaking to was the issue of UFA's being traded at the deadline to ensure a return and then signing back with their former team that off-season. I, for one, think it's an idea that warrants discussion.

Normally, I'm inclined to let the free market act how it will, but the NHL is already highly regulated and this is a regulation that has some merit. It turns NHL players, basically, into prostitutes and cheats teams out of players/prospects though agreements that are made between players and their teams in private.

Maybe a 1-year no-return rule should be in place? Cherry is far from the only commentator to bring this up. And just because he used the Oilers as an example doesn't make him an idiot.

Good grief.

Good grief...

Cherry is an idiot if thats his opinion.

It was a trade. Nobody held a gun to anyones head over it.

The only collusion would be if Wang paid less the market value with the handshake agreement that RS resigns with the Oilers after the end of the year.

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I dont think Cherry thinks what the Oilers got was an underpayment.

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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.

Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue.

What Cherry was speaking to was the issue of UFA's being traded at the deadline to ensure a return and then signing back with their former team that off-season. I, for one, think it's an idea that warrants discussion.

Normally, I'm inclined to let the free market act how it will, but the NHL is already highly regulated and this is a regulation that has some merit. It turns NHL players, basically, into prostitutes and cheats teams out of players/prospects though agreements that are made between players and their teams in private.

Maybe a 1-year no-return rule should be in place? Cherry is far from the only commentator to bring this up. And just because he used the Oilers as an example doesn't make him an idiot.

Good grief.
The point is that there is no "bigger issue" here. Under the CBA, a player has rights. When a player reaches a certain age and had the appropriate number of years of service, he has the right of an unrestricted free agent. Unrestricted means that he gets to negotiate with every team, including the one he used to play for. I suppose restrictions on immediately re-signing pending UFAs might be considered in CBA negoatiations, but for the life of me, I don't see either the owners or the players making this any kind of a priority at all. That's why Healy was right, end of story.

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The point is that there is no "bigger issue" here. Under the CBA, a player has rights. When a player reaches a certain age and had the appropriate number of years of service, he has the right of an unrestricted free agent. Unrestricted means that he gets to negotiate with every team, including the one he used to play for. I suppose restrictions on immediately re-signing pending UFAs might be considered in CBA negoatiations, but for the life of me, I don't see either the owners or the players making this any kind of a priority at all. That's why Healy was right, end of story.
I know the current rules allow it, but maybe we should look at changing them? Certainly there are compelling reasons for doing so.

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I understand where OntOilfan coming from. DC is in love with all the boys from Kingston.

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I know the current rules allow it, but maybe we should look at changing them? Certainly there are compelling reasons for doing so.
Well, maybe so. But it's clearly a CBA related issue and thus effectively moot for the next 4 years or so. Maybe it will be resurrected then. However, this issue doesn't rank very high for me in the list of CBA changes I'd like to see.

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I didn't hear that, but I hear Grapes last Saturday night that if Smyth re-signed with Edmonton this summer then he is an absolute fraud. He referred to the tears at the airport & was very emphatic about using the word fraud etc.

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I understand where OntOilfan coming from. DC is in love with all the boys from Kingston.

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There is no fact or proof that Smyth will re-sign with Edmonton, July 1st won't be here fora while, so its all hearsay in the end. Don Cherry should look at Weight and Recchi before Smyth.

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Lowe and Smyth have conspired together to further improve this Oiler team in the near future by creating a fabricated story. Through the summer of 06, Lowe and Smyth thought up of a plan that would fool the entire league.. for the exception of Cherry of course. The plan was to offer fair/large contracts to all other Oiler players signed last summer and the start of this season.. while leaving poor helpless Smyth to the end. With a gaping void on defence to start off the season, Lowe knew right away he didn't have a team that could pull off even an eighth spot. The two agreed to act as if they had contract disputes throughout all the attempted offers each threw at one another. They even added more drama near the final minutes of the deadline to make the story sound more convincing. Smyth, the great actor he is even forced a few tears out infront of the news crew on the way out to Long Island.
Lowe's plan was to get Smyth to act as if he was worth 6m/season eventhough Smyth would have been happy had he signed for 5m/season. This was an act to gain leverage and at the same time.. a deterrent. Leverage was the two high prospects and a 1st round draft pick. The deterrent was having most teams not wanting to sign a Smyth for 6m durring the offseason. Which in the end, Smyth is resigned back where he belongs in Edmonton for much less.

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There will be an investigation! Remember Don's anger when Marty Reasoner was traded away and resigned; the entire league just screamed collusion! I think in the end Marty's punishment was to wear an extra-heavy mic in one game this season. His agonizing complaints couldn't be silenced, though.

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I assume Vegabond was kidding, but i have to admit, I have had thoughts along the same line. Why is this a fraud anyways? What is wrong with Smytty and Lowe making this "agreement" anyways? It could be the ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate Oiler to make and better the team's future.

I would not be surprised in the least that there is an "agreement" already in place. In fact I say 80-20 there is.

Smytty's tears were genuine. He was leaving his home and friends to go play for a joke franchise. I would cry too. He probably had other things upsetting him too like knowing the city of Edmonton and his friends would have no playoffs this year. He will try hard for the isles but knows this is only temporary.

Anything over $4 million though and we cut him loose. Sorry.

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I assume Vegabond was kidding, but i have to admit, I have had thoughts along the same line. Why is this a fraud anyways? What is wrong with Smytty and Lowe making this "agreement" anyways? It could be the ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate Oiler to make and better the team's future.

I would not be surprised in the least that there is an "agreement" already in place. In fact I say 80-20 there is.

Smytty's tears were genuine. He was leaving his home and friends to go play for a joke franchise. I would cry too. He probably had other things upsetting him too like knowing the city of Edmonton and his friends would have no playoffs this year. He will try hard for the isles but knows this is only temporary.

Anything over $4 million though and we cut him loose. Sorry.
I thought he was leaving the joke franchise.

Seriously, the Oilers are a laughing stock.

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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.
like Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite said:

"you know what Napoleon...you can leave!"

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I was reading the NYI board, their Ryan Smyth thread.

They say that Cherry said that if Edmonton signs Smyth as a free agent this year, there should be an investigation looking for colusion?

Did anyone hear what Cherry said?

If the above is accurate, what is Cherry talking about?
The thing I seen he said it should be investigated as fraud.

Like Dawg said they had better start with Weight and Recchi first and if it was the Maple Leafs he would call it brilliant if they done that with Tucker or whoever.


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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.

Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue.
No the ubelieveable thing is he said it would be fraud on something that is completely hypothetical at this point and would not make any kind of a big deal or even a mention about Weight and Recchi where it has already happened in fact. So why is making a big thing out of the Oilers possibly doing something in the future instead of going after teams that have already done if he is on such a high horse about it?

What Cherry did say exactly was there should be an investigation against the Oilers for fraud if they sign Ryan Smyth in the Summer. Then of course said fraud about 3 more times for effect.

The other thing is you do pretty absolutely nothing but try and find negative things to say about the Oilers and the organization.


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...Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue...
I saw the clip and the Be-Suited One went on about, how after Ryan's weepy, airport exit press conference performance, Smytty shouldn't be allowed to resign with the Oilers.

And you have to admit OntOilFan: "Collusion" is really, much too big a word for Sour Grapes to be processing verbally. Given his oldtimer's decline, lately for Don, life's become just a bowl of half-remember Cherries. Best he leaves that process of getting all fermented, excited, and agitated to the makers of his favourite brand of "pops."


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Why does ANYONE who mentions something about the Oilers in a negative light automatically an idiot? This board is unbelieveable.

Cherry did NOT say there should be an investigation against the Oilers. He was merely using the Oilers and Ryan Smyth as an example to speak to a bigger issue.

What Cherry was speaking to was the issue of UFA's being traded at the deadline to ensure a return and then signing back with their former team that off-season. I, for one, think it's an idea that warrants discussion.

Normally, I'm inclined to let the free market act how it will, but the NHL is already highly regulated and this is a regulation that has some merit. It turns NHL players, basically, into prostitutes and cheats teams out of players/prospects though agreements that are made between players and their teams in private.

Maybe a 1-year no-return rule should be in place? Cherry is far from the only commentator to bring this up. And just because he used the Oilers as an example doesn't make him an idiot.

Good grief.
Hate to say it but you are bang on. It is just somthing worth talking about. I am not sure which way I lean, but it is a reasonable discussion.

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It is a intersting conspiracy theory, or if there was no handshake agreement, bottom line. If Smyth signs back, imagine the media, it would be a soap opera, Smytty coming home. Imagine when the season ticket drive comes around, We add Smyth and perhaps another big UFA, well the tickets would start to sell thats for sure.

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