Hey Lain, Broons-Oilers trade proposal

[DKH]

We are desparate at Broon Nation and need some team to help us. We need new toys so here are some offers- be gentle if you don't like it because it is the Christmas season and honestly try and be fair striking up a deal with us- we need to see the other side's view.

Would you guys deal Comrie, Smythe and a third rounder for Murray and O'Donnell and Hilbert. Murray and OD are UFAs and Hilbert has been out with a groin pull or something below the waist outa sorts Hilbert is a pretty good prospect though and reminds me of Mark Parrish and eventually I can see him as being a good NHLer.

or Brewer and Comrie for Rolston and Gill. Rolston is a UFA also.

If you don't like this tull us what it would take- and what is the take on Comrie because many of us think he and not Mick Jagger should have gotten knighthood.

What would you guys ask for individually from Boston for Comrie, Brewer and whats the take on another guy we seem to love like chocolate- Moreau.

[Oiltalk]

Originally Posted by DKH

We are desparate at Broon Nation and need some team to help us. We need new toys so here are some offers- be gentle if you don't like it because it is the Christmas season and honestly try and be fair striking up a deal with us- we need to see the other side's view.

Would you guys deal Comrie, Smythe and a third rounder for Murray and O'Donnell and Hilbert. Murray and OD are UFAs and Hilbert has been out with a groin pull or something below the waist outa sorts Hilbert is a pretty good prospect though and reminds me of Mark Parrish and eventually I can see him as being a good NHLer.

or Brewer and Comrie for Rolston and Gill. Rolston is a UFA also.

If you don't like this tull us what it would take- and what is the take on Comrie because many of us think he and not Mick Jagger should have gotten knighthood.

What would you guys ask for individually from Boston for Comrie, Brewer and whats the take on another guy we seem to love like chocolate- Moreau.

Brewer>>Gill
Comrie>Rolston
Trade isn't even close.
Edmonton overpays big time.

Comrie + Isbister +3rd for Samsonov + Boynton

[camboy]

Originally Posted by DKH

We are desparate at Broon Nation and need some team to help us. We need new toys so here are some offers- be gentle if you don't like it because it is the Christmas season and honestly try and be fair striking up a deal with us- we need to see the other side's view.

Would you guys deal Comrie, Smythe and a third rounder for Murray and O'Donnell and Hilbert. Murray and OD are UFAs and Hilbert has been out with a groin pull or something below the waist outa sorts Hilbert is a pretty good prospect though and reminds me of Mark Parrish and eventually I can see him as being a good NHLer.

or Brewer and Comrie for Rolston and Gill. Rolston is a UFA also.

If you don't like this tull us what it would take- and what is the take on Comrie because many of us think he and not Mick Jagger should have gotten knighthood.

What would you guys ask for individually from Boston for Comrie, Brewer and whats the take on another guy we seem to love like chocolate- Moreau.

How about Comrie for Boynton straight up. Merry Christmas.

[rabi_sultan]

what has Lain done to you guys in Broon land that we deserve these horrible trade ideas

[DKH]

Originally Posted by rabi_sultan

what has Lain done to you guys in Broon land that we deserve these horrible trade ideas

you mean my trade proposal isn't fair you really need to start looking at them thru black and gold colored glasses

[rabi_sultan]

i had one, but i traded them for a copper and blue pair instead

[Lowetide]

Originally Posted by DKH

Would you guys deal Comrie, Smythe and a third rounder for Murray and O'Donnell and Hilbert. Murray and OD are UFAs and Hilbert has been out with a groin pull or something below the waist outa sorts Hilbert is a pretty good prospect though and reminds me of Mark Parrish and eventually I can see him as being a good NHLer.

I can't see the Oilers dealing Smyth for a ufa of any sort, to be honest. He's sort of the Oilers version of Johnny Bucyk when the Bruins were terrible (I'm not saying that Smyth is Bucyk or a HOFer, just that he gives the organization credibility to the fan base).

Having said that, Murray is exactly what the Oilers need right now, a gunner. They have three world class passers (Oates, York, Hemsky) and no one with a shot to play with them. Murray's quick release would end our pp trouble the day he got here imo.

I like Hilbert, but the Oilers have a plethora of good looking prospects, so many in fact they'll be leaking guys like Hilbert before long (seriously, one of the problems MacT has imo is too many unproven options at his disposal).

O'donnell I've always liked, how is he doing this season? He hasn't stood out in the games I've seen. Edmonton could use him but his ufa status means hands off for the Oil.

Originally Posted by DKH

or Brewer and Comrie for Rolston and Gill. Rolston is a UFA also.

If you don't like this tull us what it would take- and what is the take on Comrie because many of us think he and not Mick Jagger should have gotten knighthood.

I love Rolston, but he's beyond our means. Gill (imo) is one of the most underrated defenders in the NHL, but the Oilers have two denver boot defenseman (Cross and Ferguson) so couldn't add another unless you take one of ours.

As for what we'd like for Comrie and Brewer, well, the Bruins have lots of nice things.

Andrew Raycroft All he does is stop the puck. That little trial by fire a couple of years ago set him back, but I've seen him three times this year and he's already a fine goalie.

Nick Boynton He's having an offseason, but as you know DKH, these young guys don't go forward in a straight line. If I were GM, I'd offer Comrie straight up and hope like hell. I can see Brewer being included in a trade for Boynton, but maybe not straight up.

Jeff Jillson How the hell did you guys get him again? Like him alot.

Patrice Bergeron Lots of Oiler fans are mad that the Oilers took Pouliot instead of Parise on draft day. Why in hell didn't they take this guy? 6 feet, can score on the powerplay and plays center in the NHL at 18. Bruins scouting is terrific.

Sergei Samsanov This is a helluva hockey player. I know he's hurt, but so what? He'll be back before Perry is ready.


So here's my offer: Brewer and Comrie for Samsanov and Boynton.


As for Moreau, this has been his best season. He still takes those putrid penalties, but holy crap he's been focused. When Moreau is on, he is a joy to watch. Made a play last night that combined his speed grit and bad mood, almost scored. I love watching him play like that. If he could hit the ocean, we'd notice his (terrific) shot more too.


Comrie? I think it's a case of the Oilers not recognizing how pissed Comrie was in time. You know, when Lowe was critical of Lowe he didn't say "that little moron brought nothing", he said "we need to be better, and that includes..." and listed Comrie along with Salo and some others. Matter of fact, I think the only player he let off the hook was York.

Then the summer wore on and they qualified him at the minimum which was a slap in his face. From the Oilers (and fans') point of view, they were just clawing back on the first contract. From the Comrie side, it was the middle finger (again).

As with all of these things, there's probably enough blame to go around. What I find interesting is how completely devoted to Kevin Lowe the fans are.

I think it's dangerous, to be honest. If Lowe and company deal with our next talent the same way (Hemsky), this team is going to have 12 forwards who can play the 3rd line.

This rift between Comrie and the Oilers may have a long lasting impact on this team's ability to attract (and keep) player's in the future.

I'm not disputing Lowe being right about the situation, but sometimes that isn't enough.

[Oi'll say!]

I always liked O'Donnell ever since he was a King and he pummelled Courtnall at the end of that playoff game against StL. Too bad he cost his team the series, it really sucks when a player gets rewarded for acting the way Courtnall was when he got his well deserved beating.

Maybe if the ref had half a brain he would have penalized Courtnall as well, thereby diminishing the amount of pp time for StL. Oh well, that was my rant for the day.

[rabi_sultan]

LT if Oates has a posotive impact here and gives a glowing report of the Oilers then I think that will factor out the negativity that the Comrie dilemma has generated

[barto]

Originally Posted by lowetide

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I think it's dangerous, to be honest. If Lowe and company deal with our next talent the same way (Hemsky), this team is going to have 12 forwards who can play the 3rd line.

This rift between Comrie and the Oilers may have a long lasting impact on this team's ability to attract (and keep) player's in the future.

I'm not disputing Lowe being right about the situation, but sometimes that isn't enough.

True, sometimes 'right' isn't enough, but I'm not entirely sure how this (negatively) affects the Oilers' ability to attract/keep players in the future. The 'attract' part would seem to be more towards UFAs that the Oilers might want to sign someday, I suppose, but if they're UFAs, they wouldn't be in the same situation as Comrie was.

Keeping players again comes down to having their rights. Note the contracts signed by Staios, Smyth, and Moreau, all while there was already bad feelings by Comrie. Seeing Lowe play hardball with MC is probably making those three guys glad they signed the deals they did & not try to force Lowe's hand.

So I'm not sure I see the same potential problems down the road, LT.

In fact, if Lowe doesn't try every legal avenue at his disposal to get the best deal for the Oilers, he's not a good enough GM (IMO). I like his creativity (making a pitch for Lindros a while back, and for Messier using merchandising revenues, and trying to get enough trade value for Comrie) and feel that an organization like the Oilers (small market blah blah) needs someone like that who can think outside the box and come up with some pretty cool ideas that would help the team.

As for the Lowe-devotion thing, it's an interesting thing. I think he's built-up a lot of respect for his time as a player and coach (I think he would have made a better head coach than MacT, but I'm glad we have him as GM), and many of his moves as GM have turned out to be pretty good (debatable, but recent moves like Carter/Dvorak and Niinimaa/Torres-Izzy are looking better and better as we go). So there's some trust that he's definitely got the best interests of the Oilers at heart.

Then there's Comrie, who DOESN'T. Turns out he's an easy guy to dislike, but maybe there's a sense of 'eating your own young' at play, too...quick to praise a local kid and put him on a pedestal, but then his faults are on display, too, and it's psychologically 'fun' to drag the "spoiled little rich kid" down a few notches.

Thesis, anyone??

Good analyses on the trade ideas - Murray would be great, but obviously too short-term as an impending UFA, and the others you covered nicely.

Bart

[kruezer]

Originally Posted by Oiltalk

Brewer>>Gill
Comrie>Rolston
Trade isn't even close.
Edmonton overpays big time.

Comrie + Isbister +3rd for Samsonov + Boynton

I really don't think Comrie is better than Rolston, infact I'd take Rolston every day of the week.

[hockeyaddict101]

Originally Posted by barto

True, sometimes 'right' isn't enough, but I'm not entirely sure how this (negatively) affects the Oilers' ability to attract/keep players in the future. The 'attract' part would seem to be more towards UFAs that the Oilers might want to sign someday, I suppose, but if they're UFAs, they wouldn't be in the same situation as Comrie was.

Keeping players again comes down to having their rights. Note the contracts signed by Staios, Smyth, and Moreau, all while there was already bad feelings by Comrie. Seeing Lowe play hardball with MC is probably making those three guys glad they signed the deals they did & not try to force Lowe's hand.

So I'm not sure I see the same potential problems down the road, LT.

In fact, if Lowe doesn't try every legal avenue at his disposal to get the best deal for the Oilers, he's not a good enough GM (IMO). I like his creativity (making a pitch for Lindros a while back, and for Messier using merchandising revenues, and trying to get enough trade value for Comrie) and feel that an organization like the Oilers (small market blah blah) needs someone like that who can think outside the box and come up with some pretty cool ideas that would help the team.

As for the Lowe-devotion thing, it's an interesting thing. I think he's built-up a lot of respect for his time as a player and coach (I think he would have made a better head coach than MacT, but I'm glad we have him as GM), and many of his moves as GM have turned out to be pretty good (debatable, but recent moves like Carter/Dvorak and Niinimaa/Torres-Izzy are looking better and better as we go). So there's some trust that he's definitely got the best interests of the Oilers at heart.

Then there's Comrie, who DOESN'T. Turns out he's an easy guy to dislike, but maybe there's a sense of 'eating your own young' at play, too...quick to praise a local kid and put him on a pedestal, but then his faults are on display, too, and it's psychologically 'fun' to drag the "spoiled little rich kid" down a few notches.

Thesis, anyone??

Good analyses on the trade ideas - Murray would be great, but obviously too short-term as an impending UFA, and the others you covered nicely.

Bart

But I do have an opinion of why in Edmonton 90% of the fans back Lowe.

Comrie is an Edmonton product and put a gun to our head to play here. As much as Oiler fans were glad that he came here we all know how we felt about his contract.

Despite that we adopted him as our "Edmonton hero". Some more than others.

Now he wants to leave and really hasn't given a reason why and consciously and maybe unconsciously we are perceiving this as a shot at the City of Edmonton and a shot against the Oilers.

This lies IMO at the heart of the emotion over this issue, of course there are other issues as well which we have all outlined on this board but IMO this is the heart of the issue.