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03-12-2007, 01:30 AM
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If you are talking just a single team and not a multi-season thing, the 2001-02 Detroit Red Wings might be the most talented team in NHL history:
(HHOF members or future members in bold)
(All-Stars in italics)

Steve Yzerman - 1 Conn Smythe, 1 Pearson, 1 Selke, 1 Masterton
Brendan Shanahan - 1 King Clancey
Sergei Fedorov - 1 Hart, 1 Pearson, 2 Selke (potentially a future HHOFer)
Brett Hull - 1 Hart, 1 Pearson, 1 Byng
Nicklas Lidstrom - 1 Conn Smythe, 4 Norris
Chris Chelios - 3 Norris, 1 Bud Light +/-
Tomas Holmstrom
Igor Larionov
Luc Robitaille - 1 Calder
Darren McCarty
Pavel Datsyuk - 1 Byng
Jiri Fischer
Kirk Maltby
Boyd Devereaux
Fredrik Olausson
Steve Duchesne
Kris Draper - 1 Selke
Mathieu Dandenault
Dominik Hasek - 2 Hart, 2 Pearson, 6 Vezina, 2 Jennings
*Manny Legace, Jason Williams, Uwe Krupp, Jiri Slegr reserves
Coach: Scott Bowman


I'd include international awards as well, but that list is incredibly long.
I wonder how this team stacks up against the 2001 Avs though. The crappy 2002 version Avs took this Wings team to 7 games and it was dead even until Roy forgot to close his glove. Add Ray Bourque and who knows which way it goes.

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03-12-2007, 01:33 AM
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The Islander dynasty team set the record for the most consecutive playoff round victories...I forget the number probably 19. Bryan Trottier Mike Bossy Potvin Sutter's Billy Smith Gillies Legendary coach Al Arbour....Bill Torrey as G.M.
So which team is the 2nd best team? The Oiler teams?
Problem is, that record biasses against the 50's Habs. It's not their fault that there was only 2 playoff rounds then. 5 concequtive victories. In NA pro sports, that is matched by the 49-53 Yankees and topped by the 59-66 Celtics.

It is most definitely up for debate.

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03-12-2007, 01:48 AM
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I wonder how this team stacks up against the 2001 Avs though. The crappy 2002 version Avs took this Wings team to 7 games and it was dead even until Roy forgot to close his glove. Add Ray Bourque and who knows which way it goes.
Oh, the Ray Bourque that was retired?

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03-12-2007, 01:49 AM
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Meh, if we're going player by player Id rather have the 1995-1996 Blues...

Wayne Gretzky
Brett Hull
Al MacInnis
Shayne Corson
Dale Hawerchuk
Geoff Courtnall
Glenn Anderson
Chris Pronger
Stephane Matteau
Esa Tikkanen
Craig MacTavish
Jay Wells
Charlie Huddy
Brian Noonan
Igor Kravchuk
Grant Fuhr
Jon Casey


Pretty solid lineup
Oh, the lineup that the Red Wings beat - the Red Wings that didn't even win the Cup.

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03-12-2007, 01:54 AM
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You may want to look up the term "dynasty" .

Anyway, 83-84 Oilers were still better. 446 GF and 314 GA. 57 wins. Scored 446 goals when no one else was over 360 and still had the 9th best defense in the league.

All while having 2 of the top 5 players of all time in Gretzky and Messier, the second best offensive defenseman of all time in Paul Coffey, Fuhr and Moog in net, Anderson and Kurri on the wings.. we're not even talking about guys like Kevin Lowe and Charlie Huddy yet.

Hell, if it weren't for a goal from the redline, that Red Wings team likely would've been eliminated in the first round.
Solid point You've convinced me with that one.

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03-12-2007, 08:46 AM
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Definetly take the 2001 Avalanche over any single team.

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Podein-Yelle-Messier
Nieminen-Reid-Hinote

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Foote-Klemm
Skoula-de Vries

Roy
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In terms of dynasty I gotta go with the Oilers through out the 80's. Team was able to even win a cup without Gretzky, that is how deep they were.


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03-12-2007, 10:01 AM
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The 92-93 Pens get the amazingly awesome title of "One of the Best to Not Win The Cup"


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03-12-2007, 10:18 AM
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Oh, the Ray Bourque that was retired?
Are you confusing him with another Ray Bourque?

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Definatley up there, but I would take some of those early to mid 70's Habs squads over the Isles at their best.

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I think the Islanders dynasty of the mid 2000s of Jokinen, Spezza, Connolly, Bertuzzi, Heatley and a blueline of Jonsson, Berard, Hamrlik, Chara and Luongo in net comes in a close second.

Oh wait...
Heatley?

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03-12-2007, 10:25 AM
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Heatley?
Who would you have had the Islanders draft had they not taken DiPietro?

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The Habs technically had to win less PO games to win the cup... but it wasn't like they lost a whole of playoff games at all from 76 to 79 anyway

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In terms of consecutive rounds won it looks like:

80/84 Islanders - 19 rounds
76/80 Habs - 13 rounds
56/60 Habs - 10 rounds

Following are Edmonton / Pittsburgh / Detroit with 9 rounds in a row each.
Thank you, sir.

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Who would you have had the Islanders draft had they not taken DiPietro?
Gaborik.

Sharks could've taken Luongo once upon a time, but they went for Marleau. Right or wrong?

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Gaborik.

Sharks could've taken Luongo once upon a time, but they went for Marleau. Right or wrong?
That's not the point.

The point is that if the Islanders had Luongo, they wouldn't have taken DiPietro. And most pundits had them taking Heatley.

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Gaborik.

Sharks could've taken Luongo once upon a time, but they went for Marleau. Right or wrong?
Based on projections, Patrick Marleau was the safe pick.

At the time Rick DiPietro was not, Danny Heatley was.

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I think the Islanders dynasty of the mid 2000s of Jokinen, Spezza, Connolly, Bertuzzi, Heatley and a blueline of Jonsson, Berard, Hamrlik, Chara and Luongo in net comes in a close second.

Oh wait...
Drop Berard for Redden.

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ummm...yeah ok.....and the habs of 76-77 were nuttin

Montreal Canadiens 80 60 8 12 132 387 171 764

thats a bad team
you forgot to add that they lost only one game in the playoffs that year on the way to the cup .

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I think the Islanders dynasty of the mid 2000s of Jokinen, Spezza, Connolly, Bertuzzi, Heatley and a blueline of Jonsson, Berard, Hamrlik, Chara and Luongo in net comes in a close second.

Oh wait...
switch berard with redden .

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The Capitals of the 70's and the Nordiques of the 90's were the best worst dynasty.


Nah the nords are not even close to the current days Blackhawks.

At least we had a guy named Joe Sakic scorring 100 pts in the worst team in the league.(lol)

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switch berard with redden .
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Nah the nords are not even close to the current days Blackhawks.

At least we had a guy named Joe Sakic scorring 100 pts in the worst team in the league.(lol)
Don't forget the early/mid 90's Ottawa Senators.

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Definetly take the 2001 Avalanche over any single team.
What? Are you kidding? You could argue that the '02 Red Wings were just as good or better.

The Islanders arent the best dynasty of all time though. The Habs from '76-79 just flat out dominated the league entirely. In three of those four years they also led the league in points. The year they didnt they were one point behind the Isles ('78-79).

The Isles in their 4 straight Cup years only led the league in points twice and the other two times werent even close. The '81-82 was the best team that they ever iced and it was good but I can think of a few single season years from each dynasty that were better.

'55-56 Habs
'51-52 Red Wings
'76-77 Habs
'83-84 Oilers
'71-72 Bruins (debatable but up there, even though the Bruins won just two Cups this one was the best single season team)

For all around dominance you have to take the 70s Habs and the '50s Habs as the better dynasties. Throw in the '80s Oilers as a toss up with the Isles though.

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The Islander dynasty team set the record for the most consecutive playoff round victories...I forget the number probably 19. Bryan Trottier Mike Bossy Potvin Sutter's Billy Smith Gillies Legendary coach Al Arbour....Bill Torrey as G.M.
So which team is the 2nd best team? The Oiler teams?

If you stopped to think about it a little bit, why didn't the 1956-60 Montreal Canadiens win that many series in a row? They won 5 cups?

Why didn't the 76-79 Canadiens win that many series in a row?

The Islanders happened to play at a time when the playoffs were nearly the longest ever in NHL history. The Canadiens never had an opportunity to win 4 series per year!

The Islander were a great team but, the Canadiens and Oilers have teams that compare quite well with them.

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The 92-93 Pens get the amazingly awesome title of "One of the Best to Not Win The Cup"

The best team to not win the cup is the 28-29 Bruins.

.875 winning percentage is amazing.

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