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05-11-2004, 07:24 PM
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I can´t see any reason to have more d-men either with so few games in the tournament. No Sedins for me thank you.

Forwards
Mats Sundin
Peter Forsberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Markus Näslund
Henrik Zetterberg
Fredrik Modin
Michael Nylander
Jörgen Jönsson
Samuel Påhlsson
Per-Johan Axelsson
Mikael Renberg (Will he be able to play at all?)
Tomas Holmström
Jonas Höglund
Kristian Huselius
Andreas Johansson
The Sedins combine for 100 points in the NHL and you have stiffs like Hoglund and J.Jonsson who cant even make the NHL?

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05-12-2004, 01:17 AM
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The Sedins combine for 100 points in the NHL and you have stiffs like Hoglund and J.Jonsson who cant even make the NHL?
Jönsson would have no problems playing in the NHL, he just doesn't want to. By far the best player outside NA IMO. I know most of you dislike him but I don't. I really like that morris...

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05-12-2004, 02:05 AM
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Here´s my team for the World Cup. I selected 3 goalies, 8 d-men and 15 forwards since quite a few of those forwards are more or less injured. I can´t see any reason to have more d-men either with so few games in the tournament. No Sedins for me thank you.

Goalies
Tommy Salo
Mikael Tellqvist
Henrik Lundqvist

Defensemen
Nicklas Lidström
Mattias Norström
Kim Johnsson
Mattias Öhlund
Niclas Hävelid
Marcus Ragnarsson
Daniel Tjärnqvist
Dick Tärnström

Forwards
Mats Sundin
Peter Forsberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Markus Näslund
Henrik Zetterberg
Fredrik Modin
Michael Nylander
Jörgen Jönsson
Samuel Påhlsson
Per-Johan Axelsson
Mikael Renberg (Will he be able to play at all?)
Tomas Holmström
Jonas Höglund
Kristian Huselius
Andreas Johansson


Reserves:
Johan Hedberg
Kenny Jönsson
Christian Bäckman
Ronnie Sundin
Peter Nordström
Andreas Salomonsson
Johan Davidsson
Niklas Sundström
Nils Ekman
Jonas Höglund? No thanks. He has to play on the top lines top be effective, and I can't see that happen.

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05-12-2004, 02:15 AM
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I wonder how Hardy thinks when it comes to the twins.

He have picked them for several WC's when they were very young, but haven't considered them the last years. I think he likes them, I really think they will be selected for the WC. Now when there are three open spots for forwards there is room to pick them.

I also think he likes them more than Niklas Sundström (wasn't picked for Champs last year) and Nils Ekman (didn't get a fair chance at the national team when being home in Djurgården).

Besides, Hardy often speaks of giving younger players experience and so on.

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05-12-2004, 02:49 AM
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I wonder how Hardy thinks when it comes to the twins.
I think they both will be picked or not at all. If not I think Henrik could make the team but not Daniel.

That's how I would have done it.

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05-12-2004, 02:57 AM
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Jönsson would have no problems playing in the NHL, he just doesn't want to. By far the best player outside NA IMO. I know most of you dislike him but I don't. I really like that morris...
Yes, I'd rank him as our top #4 center, after the world champs maybe our #3 enter. I personally think it worked well having him center forsberg on lw.

I've never been a Jönsson fan, far from it, but he has really elevated his play.

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05-12-2004, 03:14 AM
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These are my post-wc modified forward lines:

Forsberg - Jönsson - Alfredsson
Näslund - Sundin - Nylander
Modin - Påhlsson - Johan Davidsson
Axelsson - Zetterberg - Marcus Nilson

I believe that Jönsson and Påhlsson would be defensively responsible enough to play center on the team. Moving nylander and forsberg to wing won't hurt their play much since they are pretty much freewheeling anyway.

I'd also rate pahlssons and jönssons defensive play over them.

This would somewhat cover up our weakness on wing, and get very
sound defensive play at center. Left out Ekman since I'm not sure if he can excel in tight playoff games.

I'd keep Holmström on the roster to play pp.

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05-12-2004, 03:28 AM
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Forsberg - Jönsson - Alfredsson
Näslund - Sundin - Nylander
Modin - Påhlsson - Johan Davidsson
Axelsson - Zetterberg - Marcus Nilson
Davidsson won't play, I'm sure of that. Påhlsson over Zetterberg? Won't do that either. And if Jörgen Jönsson is our top-center I'm gonna cry, he is a good player but no first line center on this team. He was good troughout the Champs, but didn't produce that much. Good work ethics and good defensive play is his streghts, valuable aspects if you gonna be 3rd or 4th line center, not top center.

Nice to see Marcus Nilson in the lineup though. Just watched the 2nd game between Calgary and San Jose, and Nilson is very good at the moment. Could very well be a fourth liner on this team. Ekman also impressed, working hard and seems to be in front of the goal a lot.

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05-12-2004, 06:17 AM
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so when are they gonna announce that roster??? I can't wait!

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05-12-2004, 06:26 AM
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Davidsson won't play, I'm sure of that. Påhlsson over Zetterberg? Won't do that either. And if Jörgen Jönsson is our top-center I'm gonna cry, he is a good player but no first line center on this team. He was good troughout the Champs, but didn't produce that much. Good work ethics and good defensive play is his streghts, valuable aspects if you gonna be 3rd or 4th line center, not top center.
I think Påhlsson has elevated his play alot this season. He has turned out quite a physical player. Zetterberg is obviously the more offensive gifted, but I don't see the huge upside all things considered.

You are correct that Jönsson would probably do better with 3'rd, 4'th line minutes. I imagine the top 2 lines would be about equal in ice time. Perhaps put Zetterberg with Forsberg and Alfredsson, and put Jönsson on th 4'th. Bumping Forsberg and Nylander to wing is the consequence of being weaker on wing. Even if Nylander had a quite good playoff, I'd still want someone more positionally sound as center vs the worlds stars. He would perform better on wing imo.

Also, I don't want to see Ekman (or Andreas Johansson) take the roster spots from Påhlsson/Jönsson, (even though Ekman normally plays a somewhat physical game). I'd like to build a team that can beat Canada, that can finish along the boards, rather than a technical team that can skate with the euro teams.

IMO, when it comes down to it, the games will be tougher than people realize, and I believe Swedes have a tendency to value finesse over grit.

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Nice to see Marcus Nilson in the lineup though. Just watched the 2nd game between Calgary and San Jose, and Nilson is very good at the moment.
The way he is playing right now proves that he can swing with the best of them when it matters, imo.

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05-12-2004, 06:41 AM
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was it today the roster was about to be announced?

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According to Expressen the roster will be announced on Monday (17/5).

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yup, just found it on tv4.se.
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05-12-2004, 08:31 AM
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It was earlier said on Swehockey.se the roster was to be announced today. Bah. Just have to wait some days then.

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05-12-2004, 08:55 AM
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Goaltenders:
Henrik Lundqvist (1982)
Tommy Salo (1971)
Mikael Tellqvist (1979)

Defense
Kim Johnsson (1976)
Niclas Hävelid (1973)
Nicklas Lidström (1970)
Mattias Norström (1972)
Marcus Ragnarsson (1971)
Daniel Tjärnqvist (1976)
Dick Tärnström (1975)
Mattias Öhlund (1976)

Offense
Daniel Alfredsson (1972)
Per-Johan Axelsson (1975)
Nils Ekman (1976)
Peter Forsberg (1973)
Thomas Holmström (1973)
Andreas Johansson (1973)
Fredrik Modin (1974)
Michael Nylander (1972)
Markus Näslund (1973)
Samuel Påhlsson (1977)
Daniel Sedin (1980)
Henrik Sedin (1980)
Mats Sundin (1971)
Niklas Sundström (1975)
Henrik Zetterberg (1980)
With Marcus Nilson's success in the playoffs I take him over Niklas Sundström. He has the toughness and work ethics which could be valuable for the team. Other wise I'll stick with my roster

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05-12-2004, 03:45 PM
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The Sedins combine for 100 points in the NHL and you have stiffs like Hoglund and J.Jonsson who cant even make the NHL?
Well, the national team is somewhat different than the NHL and Jonas Höglund has scored 11 goals in 29 WC-games so far. If you didn´t notice I did actually rank the players with the ones at the bottom questionable. Watching Marcus Nilson last game would suggest a spot for him at the World Cup, I wouldn´t be at all surprised if he get´s selected.

Only 96 for the Sedins...

Jörgen Jönsson is a better and more experienced player than Henrik Sedin.

Isn´t Peter Worrell swedish?

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Jörgen Jönsson is a better and more experienced player than Henrik Sedin.
Sedin is a legit 2nd line centre in the best league in the world. And, again, Jonsson isn't even in the NHL. The management for team Sweden wont take into account how many times Jonsson has represented his country at the WC either.

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Sedin is a legit 2nd line centre in the best league in the world. And, again, Jonsson isn't even in the NHL. The management for team Sweden wont take into account how many times Jonsson has represented his country at the WC either.
Jönsson would also be in the NHL if he WANTED to, but he choose the family over the money. He would also be a legit 2nd or 3rd line center on almost any team, one of the best players outside the NHL, although we have hard to admit it. He is not a favourite player among many, but despite this, he is always among the best playing for the national team. He will most likely make the WC team, but was upsets most is if he is choosen as a depth guy over youngsters as the Sedin twins. But, if Jönsson is selected, it is for playing a 3rd or 4th line center role.

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Nope.

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Sedin is a legit 2nd line centre in the best league in the world. And, again, Jonsson isn't even in the NHL.
Your point is?

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Nope.
Are you sure?

That´s the kind of player I would like to have on Swedens roster when we play against Canada or USA. I´m fed up with Rob Niedermayer, Cory Cross, Keith Primeau etc, etc...

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That´s the kind of player I would like to have on Swedens roster when we play against Canada or USA. I´m fed up with Rob Niedermayer, Cory Cross, Keith Primeau etc, etc...
Agree. It would be nice if Sweden could produce some tank-sized fighters, or at least a new Ulf/Kjell Samuelsson...

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the closest thing to Ulf Samuelsson that we got is Johnny Oduya. I for one think he will have a much stronger second year in the SEL, but he is no Uffe

Caps defenseman Boumedienne is also quite aggressive, but at the same time he can be a liability. I think Oduya is a safer bet.

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Are you sure?

That´s the kind of player I would like to have on Swedens roster when we play against Canada or USA. I´m fed up with Rob Niedermayer, Cory Cross, Keith Primeau etc, etc...



Cory Cross... Yeah, I still haven't forgot his hit on Nylander after he had scored a couple of years ago. Nylander literally flew into the boards.

Oduya is tough. But he's a head shorter than Worell (come to think about it, that's Domi too but..). So how about his old teammate from Hammarby Elias Abrahamsson? I haven't seem him play but he's supposed to be tough and he's very big.

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he is tough, but can he play? While a tough guy hardly must the best player in the world but an average 2nd-tier league player is not good enough imo

Perhaps this still rather unknown Swede .. Douglas Murray, could be something?
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=2616

Not a figher, but a physical and tough player.

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