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03-19-2007, 03:01 PM
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Isn't Soldat Samsonov a poster here?
oh yeaa... anyway he did a good job i mean 5 minute of kosty jr thats great

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And Gagner's really sub-par performance at WJC.
He was 17 for christ's sakes! No 17 year old Canadian player dominated the WJCs, not even Crosby IMO. (well Gretzky and Lemieux did but that's an entirely different story). Gagner is a top 10 pick.

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yeah it was a very good video, like what i see in this kid, and hope he can carry that over to the ahl and nhl.

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He was 17 for christ's sakes! No 17 year old Canadian player dominated the WJCs, not even Crosby IMO. (well Gretzky and Lemieux did but that's an entirely different story). Gagner is a top 10 pick.
Kane was 17 and played well for the US, a LOT of 17 years old played better than Gagner in history, including Crosby, who's 16 years old performance is much better than Gagner's at 17, by quite a margin. I'm not even gonna talk about Crosby's dominating performance at 17 with Bergeron. Gagner performance was so bad he shouldnt have been on this team in a million years, bad penalties, slow slow slow, dominated in most ways out there, he was one of Canada's worst 17 year old selection in history if you want to know my opinion. Toews played great at 17, countless others, Gagner is not in that league at all. I would have prefered Espo in every way, even if hes soft as silk. To me Gagner is the draft deception waiting to happen, hes a first rounder, but hes probably the most overrated by his situation along side Kost Jr. and Kane.


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I dont know if this was posted but thats too freaking cool

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Yeah, I did this video in august 2006 with every 2005/2006 goals he scored.

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Gagner is much better defensively than offensively. If I were going to project him as a player I'm familiar with, it would be someone like Mike Johnson.
I agree with this, the problem was that they selected him over X other player for offensive reasons.

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I keep thinking that Sergei Kostitsyn is the product of Patrick Kane and Sam Gagner.
Think of them as a product of the system they play in first and foremost. It's like the opposite of Carbo's system in that the top skilled players take extremely long shifts, usually will see them out for an entire PP with 5 forwards. Kostitsyn is highly skilled, plays in a system that lets him get a ton of ice in all situations, free to do what he wants on the ice in that a mistake won't find you sitting on the end of the bench for the rest of the game. But it never hurts to play with other highly skilled players. It's not like the trio are together all the time, Kostitsyn creates his own chances as well as setting up plays for others, which is why he's on the point on the PP.

Kane is a great talent, a goal scorer that could go 1st overall in the draft. Just look at the numbers he put in his rookie year, led the league in scoring at 17/18, has great hands and is slippery with the puck.

When you lead the league in assists you need skilled players to convert those passes, and clearly London has players that can do this when you look and see that 3 of the top 5 scorers in the league are from London.

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Think of them as a product of the system they play in first and foremost. It's like the opposite of Carbo's system in that the top skilled players take extremely long shifts, usually will see them out for an entire PP with 5 forwards. Kostitsyn is highly skilled, plays in a system that lets him get a ton of ice in all situations, free to do what he wants on the ice in that a mistake won't find you sitting on the end of the bench for the rest of the game. But it never hurts to play with other highly skilled players. It's not like the trio are together all the time, Kostitsyn creates his own chances as well as setting up plays for others, which is why he's on the point on the PP.

Kane is a great talent, a goal scorer that could go 1st overall in the draft. Just look at the numbers he put in his rookie year, led the league in scoring at 17/18, has great hands and is slippery with the puck.

When you lead the league in assists you need skilled players to convert those passes, and clearly London has players that can do this when you look and see that 3 of the top 5 scorers in the league are from London.

Perfect explanation.

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In Today's Lapresse and Gazette there are alot of good words heading Kosty's way from Captain K and Higgins, they both laud the guys talent and strengh ! great great news ! Also Lever is looking forwards to possibly having Kosty Jr. with the Bulldogs as fast as possible !
No, I think they all made this up. It's all BS. They're not credible anymore

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Kane was 17 and played well for the US, a LOT of 17 years old played better than Gagner in history, including Crosby, who's 16 years old performance is much better than Gagner's at 17, by quite a margin. I'm not even gonna talk about Crosby's dominating performance at 17 with Bergeron. Gagner performance was so bad he shouldnt have been on this team in a million years, bad penalties, slow slow slow, dominated in most ways out there, he was one of Canada's worst 17 year old selection in history if you want to know my opinion. Toews played great at 17, countless others, Gagner is not in that league at all. I would have prefered Espo in every way, even if hes soft as silk. To me Gagner is the draft deception waiting to happen, hes a first rounder, but hes probably the most overrated by his situation along side Kost Jr. and Kane.
First off, Gagner was producing earlier in the year when Kost wasn't and Kane was still taking more time to adjust. Obviously as time went on both caught up to him and eventually surpassed him but to suggest that he isn't a good player on his own or won't develop into a decent NHL player is preposterous considering the year he's having. He wasn't lauded as a potential number 1 pick for no reason. I said he was a top 10 pick in this year's draft, which doesn't have exceptional top end talent (though has a lot of depth).

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First off, Gagner was producing earlier in the year when Kost wasn't and Kane was still taking more time to adjust. Obviously as time went on both caught up to him and eventually surpassed him but to suggest that he isn't a good player on his own or won't develop into a decent NHL player is preposterous considering the year he's having. He wasn't lauded as a potential number 1 pick for no reason. I said he was a top 10 pick in this year's draft, which doesn't have exceptional top end talent (though has a lot of depth).
I never said that...

I said

a) hes overrated by 2 exceptional OHL players.
b) hes only top 10 because its a weak draft, but might even be lower in reality(top 15-20?).
c) he played very sub-par hockey at the WJC.

I never said he wont develop well, he got the tools, hes really young for his draft year, I just think he was used before he was ready on the international scene.

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i looked the video , and when it finished i realise that there was smoke evrywhere , and that my diner was completly calcinated ...

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I keep thinking that Sergei Kostitsyn is the product of Patrick Kane and Sam Gagner.
Just like Simon Gagne was the product of Eric Chouinard.

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i looked the video , and when it finished i realise that there was smoke evrywhere , and that my diner was completly calcinated ...
Did you check the battery in your smoke detector?

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Here is the video I compiled of him a little before Soldat's so it might not have all of the goals he has in his..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1WA8LntWHU

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A.Kosty-Grabovski-S.Kosty

And if we can get Mikhail Stefanovich in next year's draft....

The Belarus Canadiens.

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A.Kosty-Grabovski-S.Kosty

And if we can get Mikhail Stefanovich in next year's draft....

The Belarus Canadiens.
You have no idea how much I want us to get Mikhail Stefanovich.

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You have no idea how much I want us to get Mikhail Stefanovich.
Same here, let's hope that the "non-hockey country" (not as bad here) effect keeps going so that we can get him.

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whats stefanovich's stats? size? intangibles?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Stefanovich

There wasn't an article on wikipedia about Stefanovich so I spent some time and created one. It should answer some of your questions Montreal Russians.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Stefanovich

There wasn't an article on wikipedia about Stefanovich so I spent some time and created one. It should answer some of your questions Montreal Russians.
Interesting. Why isn't he playing in the RSL?

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I never said that...

I said

a) hes overrated by 2 exceptional OHL players.
b) hes only top 10 because its a weak draft, but might even be lower in reality(top 15-20?).
c) he played very sub-par hockey at the WJC.

I never said he wont develop well, he got the tools, hes really young for his draft year, I just think he was used before he was ready on the international scene.
In that case I concede victory to you!

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