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03-21-2007, 07:41 AM
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I noticed Carbo shifted Latendresse with Bonk and Johnson somewhere in the second period, I wonder why that was. either way he had a monster game.
Supposedly double-shifted because he was having a good game (per 110%).

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03-21-2007, 08:47 AM
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Sorry,

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Niinimaa
Dandouillon-Streit

We can scratch Bouillon or possibly Dandenault, or morph them.
I don't like Souray with Ninimaa. Both are not really good defensively. I'd rather see

Markov - Komisarek
Souray - Streit
Bouillon/Gorges - Niinimaa

and Dandenault as a forward.

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03-21-2007, 08:50 AM
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Begin played pretty well,should of have scored that open net.We won and thats the bottom line but ya Perezoghin maybe would work on that top line like it did early in the season last year

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03-21-2007, 08:54 AM
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It's funny (or sad) watching Begin play in an offensive role. The guy has no hands at all and zero offensive talent/creativity. Once Perez comes back then I'd stick either him there or Lats and put Begin back in a checking role where he belongs.

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03-21-2007, 08:56 AM
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anyone know when Perez is back

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03-21-2007, 08:59 AM
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I'd rather put Begin with Bonk and Johnson.
Then, Streit on D, and Perezhogin on the 1st line with Koivu et Ryder.

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03-21-2007, 09:10 AM
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the lines i would like to see : (if Perezhogin is back)

Perezhogin - Koivu - Ryder
Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Bonk - Kovalev
Lapierre - Begin - Johnson

i think it would give us 3 lines who could score and one defensive line with grit and intensity.

but i doubt Carbo see it this way.

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03-21-2007, 09:19 AM
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the lines i would like to see : (if Perezhogin is back)

Perezhogin - Koivu - Ryder
Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Bonk - Kovalev
Lapierre - Begin - Johnson

i think it would give us 3 lines who could score and one defensive line with grit and intensity.

but i doubt Carbo see it this way.
Easily the best lines we could ice. IMO, Bonk-Johnson should not be broken up. Just switch Bonk and Lapierre and we have a winner. Ninimaa in the stands does not hurt my feelings at all, even though he contributed a lot in the past week(s). I'm getting excited....

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03-21-2007, 09:19 AM
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These should be the lines for the next game.....IMO....if Perezhogin is ready.

Perezhogin - Koivu - Ryder
Higgins - Pleks - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kovalev
Begin - Bonk - Johnson

Souray - Streit
Markov - Niinimaa
Komisarek - Dandenault

Halak
Abby/Leighton

......Begin didn't work on the top line, so try Perezhogin there instead and put Begin back in the line with Bonk and Johnson where he can play his defensive game.
Leave the second line together, they have played well together and show some signs of chemistry.
The 3rd line tonight was good as well....leave them together too.

The only other thing I might try differently would be to put Johnson up on the line with Koivu and Ryder....he is a good offensive forward too and might be the scorer that line is looking for. He is very good with the puck and smart in the corners. I say try Perezhogin there when he comes back and if that doesn't work out...give Johnson a chance up there. If that doesn't work then put him back on the Bonk line and look for someone else to play with the Koivu line.....but the main thing if to leave the 2nd and 3rd lines intact since they are playing well together.

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03-21-2007, 10:57 AM
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I'd rather put Begin with Bonk and Johnson.
Then, Streit on D, and Perezhogin on the 1st line with Koivu et Ryder.
Koivu-Ryder are the fourth line right now. Perezhogin would fit in with his 6 goals.

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03-21-2007, 11:32 AM
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When Perezhogin is back, especially if it's the next game, I think the lines should go to:

Perezhogin-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Latendresse-Lapierre-Kovalev
Begin-Bonk-Johnson
I like those lines a lot. The 2nd and 3rd lines are really playing and I don't think we should break them up. But our lack of depth up front is exposed when we're forced to play Begin on the "1st" line and have dmen playing up front all the time.

But that said, giving Perezhogin an offensive role would most likely help him out a lot and makes that line more dangerous. It also gives us four pretty balanced lines and you have to think Begin-Bonk-Johnson would be a pretty good defensive line.

Scratch Murray on forward, and you're looking pretty good.

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Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Streit
Bouillon-Niinimaa

Halek
Aebischer
At this point, Markov-Komi is the only pairing I'm really sure about.

Souray looked awful next to Niinimaa yesterday. To be clear, Niinimaa played really well, but Souray was really bad. Whether that's a product of playing with Niinimaa (maybe they have no chemistry) or he just had an off day remains to be seen, but if he's playing like he did last night, I don't think Souray-Niini is a good idea.

Souray-Streit has looked good in the past and they offer a nice mix of puck-moving/shot/physical presence etc...a nice traditional balanced pairing. So I agree with your top four. To me that is the best thing to do with what we have.

The third pairing should be any combo but Dandy-Bouillon. Seperate they are okay, but together they just don't work. That leaves Niinimaa and Georges who can slide in a play a role.

I think I agree with you on Bouillon-Niinimaa. I don't think they've played together this year, but they are the two who are playing best out of the "bottom 4" and they could work well together.

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03-21-2007, 11:36 AM
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I would like to see Souray-Niinima for a couple of more games. Niinima is easily playing the best hockey of his season right now.

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03-21-2007, 11:49 AM
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anyone know when Perez is back
Do we really need him ?

I don't think so !

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03-21-2007, 11:50 AM
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Do we really need him ?

I don't think so !
6 goals. Oh, but some them were pretty.

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03-21-2007, 11:55 AM
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6 goals. Oh, but some them were pretty.
6 goals but how many did we give when he was in the penalty box ???

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03-21-2007, 12:00 PM
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Do we really need him ?

I don't think so !
I think the Koivu line would look better with him than Begin.

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03-21-2007, 12:00 PM
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6 goals but how many did we give when he was in the penalty box ???
Considering it was at the beginning of the season he had regular shifts on the 3rd, thus taking most of his penalties and that at that time our PK was one of the ebst in the league... I would say not too many...

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03-21-2007, 12:01 PM
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My friend asked me today why Kovalev was on the 4th line tonight? I said, well, that's not really the fourth line, do you think the Habs are good enough to have Kovalev and Latendresse on their 4th line?

When Perezhogin is back, especially if it's the next game, I think the lines should go to:

Perezhogin-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Latendresse-Lapierre-Kovalev
Begin-Bonk-Johnson

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Streit
Bouillon-Niinimaa

Halek
Aebischer
I don't care for your defense pairings. Niinimaa shouldn't play RD, especially with as weak a partner as Bouillon. Souray can play the right side. Also, where would Dandenault play?

I like having Kovalev playing with Latendresse and Lapierre. He seems to get more scoring opportunities because his partners are active and physical. Last night he was more threatening than any other forward on either team.

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03-21-2007, 12:23 PM
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By whom?

Plekanec played 17:29 versus Koivu's 15:03.

More to the point of this thread, Higgins played 18:30 versus Begin's 12:46.

In fact, Begin played the least minutes of the four left wingers on the team tonight.

So, what is the point of asking for Begin to be "removed from the first line"?

We only had one penalty.
Otherwise Begin would have played more.
I'm not crazy about Begin on the 1st line.
But lines take time to develop chemistry - we won so maybe we try it until Perez returns.

I'm not against putting Sammy with Koivu & Ryder.
Maybe his long benching will light a fire under his ass.

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03-21-2007, 12:37 PM
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Do we really need him ?

I don't think so !
hasn't done much, but I prefer Streit and Dandy on defence that's for sure.... then Niinimaa starts playing big for us confuses the whole thing

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03-21-2007, 12:48 PM
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6 goals but how many did we give when he was in the penalty box ???
Probably not nearly as many as we've scored on power plays that Perezhogin caused with his speed.

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03-21-2007, 01:39 PM
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Koivu sucks at faceoffs. Pleks won pretty much all of his. Time to put Pleks in the offensive faceoff and defensive faceoff position. Either that or Carbo needs to give Saks some faceoff lessons. From what I seen last night poor Saku couldnt win anything.

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03-21-2007, 01:49 PM
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Finally, Carbo is learning from his mistakes...

I like the Higgins-Plekanec-Kostsitsyn line a lot. I can also say the same about the Latendresse-Lapierre-Kovalev line. Perezhogin could also be interesting to see with Koivu and Ryder. Bonk are Johnson are still pretty good in their role. Bégin still bring a lot of energy. Even Niinima is playing quite well.

IMO, we have the best lineup of the season. A few weeks ago, I didn't want to see the team make the playoffs but if Carbo keeps playing the kids, I would love to see what they can do in the playoffs, especially with Huet back.

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03-21-2007, 02:30 PM
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Begin= you love him on the 4th line, you hate him on the 1st.
He has no hands, Ryder would have roofed that chance Begin had in the slot with thomas down.

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03-21-2007, 02:39 PM
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Koivu sucks at faceoffs. Pleks won pretty much all of his. Time to put Pleks in the offensive faceoff and defensive faceoff position. Either that or Carbo needs to give Saks some faceoff lessons. From what I seen last night poor Saku couldnt win anything.
Saku is 55.3% on faceoffs, best on the team and probably top 10 among those who've taken more than 800 faceoffs. He's turned into one of the better faceoff guys this year.

But you're about last night, Plekanec was a monster in the FO circle. It's great to see because he hasn't been that good during the year.

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