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03-21-2007, 03:40 PM
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True, but at the end of the day 99% of the fans LOVE Hemsky and know what he brings to this team. Seemingly everyone Hemsky plays with scores, well if we had another guy like that, then we would have 2 lines that could score.
I know, but Gomez needs a scorer as well. Wouldn't the same money, be better spent on Shanahan or some other scorer?

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03-21-2007, 03:43 PM
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I don't think gomez is what this team needs. Nilsson, like Hemsky, will fill the role of another top playmaker. Getting Gomez to spur Lupul is a huge investment without any guarantees. Lupul needs to find some chemistry- perhaps splitting up the ice cold Peterson-Sykora-Lupul line is a better solution.
I feel that our off season splash will be via trade rather than free agency. I hope it will be an elite player/Flames killer like Brad Richards... start praying for a Tampa first round flop.

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All day every day. You are not even talking apples to apples here.
Ryan Smyth
YEAR TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG ATOI PROD
1999-2000 EDM 82 28 26 54 -2 58 238 11.8 11 4 0 1 4 1 -- --
2000-2001 EDM 82 31 39 70 10 58 245 12.7 11 14 0 2 6 1 -- --
2001-2002 EDM 61 15 35 50 7 48 150 10.0 7 9 1 0 5 1 -- --
2002-2003 EDM 66 27 34 61 5 67 199 13.6 10 8 0 0 3 1 19:21 20:56
2003-2004 EDM 82 23 36 59 11 70 245 9.4 8 10 2 1 6 0 19:39 27:18
2005-2006 EDM 75 36 30 66 -5 58 230 15.7 19 12 2 2 3 0 20:13 22:57
2006-2007 EDM 53 31 22 53 2 38 161 19.3 14 4 1 0 5 0 20:09 20:09
… NYI 9 4 7 11 3 8 25 16.0 1 2 0 1 0 0 21:32 17:37
Career -- 779 269 291 560 -11 615 2191 12.3 118 80 6 7 40 8 -- --



Scott Gomez
YEAR TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG ATOI PROD
1999-2000 NJD 82 19 51 70 14 78 204 9.3 7 20 0 0 1 2 -- --
2000-2001 NJD 76 14 49 63 -1 46 155 9.0 2 15 0 0 4 0 -- --
2001-2002 NJD 76 10 38 48 -4 36 156 6.4 1 13 0 0 1 0 -- --
2002-2003 NJD 80 13 42 55 17 48 205 6.3 2 10 0 0 4 1 16:01 23:17
2003-2004 NJD 80 14 56 70 18 70 189 7.4 3 13 0 0 1 0 16:00 18:16
2005-2006 NJD 82 33 51 84 8 42 244 13.5 9 24 0 0 5 0 18:47 18:20
2006-2007 NJD 65 11 45 56 7 36 225 4.9 4 18 0 0 1 0 18:55 21:57
Career -- 541 114 332 446 59 356 1378 8.3 28 113 0 0 17 3 -- --

Gomez is younger as well.
From what I can tell, gomez had one year over 19 goals. And other than those 2 years, he has not eclipsed 14!. His goal scoring is not anywhere's close to Smytty and he's known for being weak defensively and not having much gryt, whereas, well you can't Smytty will die for his team.

I'd take a team of Smytty's over a team of Gomez's anyday.

WHo will Gomez play with? Hemmer? Can you imagine that? 30 passes, no shots.

At the end of the day, I think SMytty signing here is unrealistic. But if we blow 5 mil on Gomez I"ll be dissapointed. This team needs D-men help and a game breaker up front.

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03-21-2007, 03:46 PM
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Scott Gomez isn't good defensivly? I'm not really certain the Devils are aware of that! When I watch there games I hear Chico Resche talk about Gomez and his "underrated" defensive game maybe once every two broadcasts(and it's not like I'm a huge Devils fan, so I'm not watching very many of there games!). Gomez is good defensivly and really good offensivly. I don't think the paycheck is his big motivation, and Lupul would finish for him(you know, that guy that is capable of 40 goal seasons but has yet to play with a guy that can set him up). Keep in mind, I didn't say Gomez was the guy that I PERSONALLY would want(I wouldn't complain either)I'm stating in this thread that I believe Lowe will covet him and be very much in the running to get him.
Chico Resch makes Roger Millions look legitimate and unbiased.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74ltfnN-A4

Behindthenet.ca has Gomez playing some of the softest minutes in the entire league - on par with Perry and Getzlaf. They're not perfect by any means, but they're certainly a decent indicator.

As for Lupul - what, Hemsky and Horcoff aren't good enough setup men?

That said - I'd agree he's a guy the Oilers may be looking at, I just really hope he's not.

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03-21-2007, 03:48 PM
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Briere not Gomez.

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03-21-2007, 03:52 PM
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Chico Resch makes Roger Millions look legitimate and unbiased.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74ltfnN-A4

Behindthenet.ca has Gomez playing some of the softest minutes in the entire league - on par with Perry and Getzlaf. They're not perfect by any means, but they're certainly a decent indicator.

As for Lupul - what, Hemsky and Horcoff aren't good enough setup men?

That said - I'd agree he's a guy the Oilers may be looking at, I just really hope he's not.
I'm not saying Hemsky isn't a good setup man(Horcoff though, come on, he's had his chance, he can't do it), but Mac T is terrfied to have someone like Lupul playing off wing. Honestly, it seems like with Gomez it depends who you talk to about EVERYTHING. Some say he's very good defensivly, some say he's lazy, some say he's playing hurt at this moment(which to me makes a ton more sense because NOBODY in pro sports is lazy in there contract year). Here is a stat for you though: Since the lockout ended, he's 3rd in the league with points 5 on 5.

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I'm not saying Hemsky isn't a good setup man(Horcoff though, come on, he's had his chance, he can't do it), but Mac T is terrfied to have someone like Lupul playing off wing. Honestly, it seems like with Gomez it depends who you talk to about EVERYTHING. Some say he's very good defensivly, some say he's lazy, some say he's playing hurt at this moment(which to me makes a ton more sense because NOBODY in pro sports is lazy in there contract year). Here is a stat for you though: Since the lockout ended, he's 3rd in the league with points 5 on 5.

Horcoff is a good set up man. He is less spectacular looking than Hemsky but he gives away the puck a helluva lot less too.

Hemsky is overrated. An offensive player that has never averaged a point per game is not a star.

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Horcoff is a good set up man. He is less spectacular looking than Hemsky but he gives away the puck a helluva lot less too.

Hemsky is overrated. An offensive player that has never averaged a point per game is not a star.
He was how many goal posts away from being a PPG last year? And how many 22 year olds put up nearly 80 points in this league?

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No.

#2) He couldn't check his hat.
umm... i have no clue where your getting that from at all.... gomez has a very good reputation for being a solid 2-way player

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WHo will Gomez play with? Hemmer? Can you imagine that? 30 passes, no shots.

At the end of the day, I think SMytty signing here is unrealistic. But if we blow 5 mil on Gomez I"ll be dissapointed. This team needs D-men help and a game breaker up front.
If we did sign Gomez(and again keep in mind my thing is that I think Lowe will be hard after him, not that he's my personal first choice) I would setup the lines like this:

Lupul - Gomez - Nilsson
UFA(Hartnell Hopefully!) - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Pisani
Moreau - Pouliot - Stortini

Of course Reasoner isn't on there but who are we kidding, Lowe will more then likely make one blockbuster deal this summer because we have too many pieces for him not to do one. Also, I don't like Nilsson on that top line anymore then you will, I just was thinking he'll take a shot a lot sooner then Ales ever would.

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umm... i have no clue where your getting that from at all.... gomez has a very good reputation for being a solid 2-way player
So do most the guys that won the Selke. So?

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Horcoff is a good set up man. He is less spectacular looking than Hemsky but he gives away the puck a helluva lot less too.

Hemsky is overrated. An offensive player that has never averaged a point per game is not a star.
Horcoff is a complementary guy. He's not a good setup man, because good setup men make the players they play with better. Horc has never proved that he can do it without Smyth and Hemsky. I'm not saying he won't ever prove it(he's looked good in his last two games), but THUS FAR he has not proven it.

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I know, but Gomez needs a scorer as well. Wouldn't the same money, be better spent on Shanahan or some other scorer?
Well that's the other end of the spectrum here. My speculation was that Gomez out of all the top UFA's this summer MIGHT be the most willing to sign in Edmonton. Shanny doesn't want to play anywhere other then Detroit(and even then he may have moved on), or a place very close to his home in Massachusetts(so something like NYR, NYI, NJ, or Philly).

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He was how many goal posts away from being a PPG last year? And how many 22 year olds put up nearly 80 points in this league?
A lot.

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A lot.
If you're calling Oilers best player overrated, then do some research and come up with a better reply than "a lot"

"a lot" what? Are you saying he was many points away from being PPG player last year and even this year?

are you saying that many players at 22 years of age score 77 points? If so, name them.


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Hey boys I got some responses over at the Devils board, those guys(and I know they're not scouts, just fans like we are)think he's very solid defensivly and if he had a true sniper on his line could put up close to 100 points a year. The guy sounds like the perfect fit if he was willing to sign here, but like I say, it's just fans and it's there hometown guy so they're likely to be more bias, but then again they watch him a lot more then most of us do. Regarding his defensive play, one guy put it best when saying "do you think Lamoriello would have kept him around all these years if he couldn't play in his own end?" I'm not meaning to pile on you PDO, I always respect your opinion, I just don't agree with that part.

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If you're calling Oilers best player overrated, then do some research and come up with a better reply than "a lot"

"a lot" what? Are you saying he was many points away from being PPG player last year and even this year?

are you saying that many players at 22 years of age score 77 points? If so, name them.

You could take a few minutes and look it up yourself. Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, Spezza, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Thornton, Kariya, Sakic, Jagr, Lindros...need I go on?

Clearly, Hemsky is a level below these players.

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I like Ray Whitney to come back. He was interested two years ago and he's produced extremely well. If the $$$ are right, I prefer him to Sykora actually.

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You could take a few minutes and look it up yourself. Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, Spezza, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Thornton, Kariya, Sakic, Jagr, Lindros...need I go on?

Clearly, Hemsky is a level below these players.
Maybe that has something to do with nearly all of them being much older and one of them being a generational talent?

Compare apples to apples. Compare 22 year olds that put up 75-85 points to Hemsky, and then compare their 23 year old seasons.

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We have lots of C and no D men, why would we sign him??

don't get me wrong, if we strike out on every on else I would gladly take him, but he should be far from our priority.

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I want Marian Hossa Make the trade lowe

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So do most the guys that won the Selke. So?
what? not really following you here man

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We have lots of C and no D men, why would we sign him??

don't get me wrong, if we strike out on every on else I would gladly take him, but he should be far from our priority.
I'm not saying "hey let's NOT get a d-man this offseason", but our offense could use an upgrade as well and I think this is the guy we target. Also, I'm the guy who's got a really strong feeling(and had so all season)that we will trade for Wade Redden at the draft. So that would immediatly sure up our blueline in the area's of need(maybe need to sign another guy for more depth like a Sarich). So now you're probably saying why put 11.5 into 2 players next season? Fair enough, but I honestly would if the 2 guys were Gomez and Redden. If we do a deal remember, we could probably shed some salary going back the other way(maybe Pisani). I think if we get a bit creative this offseason, we could land something along the lines of Redden, Gomez, Hartnell and Pitkanen....I know it's far fetched but you have to consider the resources we now have(TONS of cap space and alledgedly moving up to AT LEAST 43 mil on the budget, and a million QUALITY prospects and young players). I'm not saying we'll get all 4 of them guys, but I would watch all of them if I'm an Oilers fan....oh wait.....

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Maybe that has something to do with nearly all of them being much older and one of them being a generational talent?

Compare apples to apples. Compare 22 year olds that put up 75-85 points to Hemsky, and then compare their 23 year old seasons.
????????????????

The reason I listed those particular players is because they all had better seasons at age 22 than did Hemsky. Better seasons at age 23 as well.

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what? not really following you here man
Reputations mean jack squat; especially when considering sports writers who couldn't tell a puck from a blueline.

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