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12-26-2003, 08:07 AM
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Barulin stopped 26 of 28.

 
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Troliga ended with 1 goal and 1 assist and exec was right, he is playing on Russia's top line with Ovechkin.

Troliga with just the penalty.

Don't know how many shots Barulin faced, but he allowed 2 goals

Final: 2-2
Barulin stopped 26 of 28 (making a SV% of .929) and faced 2 PP opportunities by the Slovaks.

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12-26-2003, 09:01 AM
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3-0 Canada. The score doesn't tell the whole story. The boys in red and white dominated the game.
Observations on Belle: He played a pretty strong defensive game and used his size to his advantage against the Finnish forwards. Played some good positional defence as well. Wasn't incredibly offensively involved but made a great break-out pass to Nigel Dawes in the third that would've resulted in a goal if it weren't for the lightning-quick glove hand of Toivonen. Belle had a couple of good shots from the point, but I think only one actually made it through. Joined the rush a couple of times but nothing came of it.
No offense to Belle, but I have turned into a Phaneuf fan. Apparently Pierre MacGuire of TSN did as well . . .

EDIT - I think that Belle was on the ice for the Paille goal and the Stewart goal as well.


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Not that I've actually seen him play, but I've been a 'fan' of Phaneuf for some time. I was hoping and praying that the Blues would move up and get him in June.

 
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BTW... thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts on Belle.

 
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From a report on the 12/26 game -

The first shift of the third period saw Aleksei Shkotov skate through the whole Slovakian team and score on a wrap-around.

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In St. Louis next year? Doubtful, but maybe.

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12-27-2003, 04:18 AM
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In St. Louis next year? Doubtful, but maybe.
Two words:

Peter Sejna.

Hopefully the Blues have learned that lesson again and send Shkotov to Worcester, even if it's a short stop here.

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There have been a number of players that have made the jump from the CHL to the NHL and many have even done 2 years younger than what Shkotov will be next year. I'm not saying that Shkotov would be able to make the jump, but just becaues Peter Sejna wasn't ready that doesn't mean that Shkotov wouldn't be.

 
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BTW... with the lack of skilled forwards on this team and the lack of money to sign one, the Blues might not have any choice but to give some younger guys a chance.

 
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12-27-2003, 06:14 AM
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The Sejna case should teach the Blues something. 210 called that one right from the beginning. Every rookie should start in Worcester for at least half a season.

Seemed to help Jackman and Backman.

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Each player is different and to build a philosophy based on one player's failure is simply ridiculous.

 
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12-27-2003, 06:59 AM
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I agree that every player is different, but when you look at the "successes" vs "failures" league wide, playing even for a short while in the AHL can be nothing but a positive.

Plus on a personal note big named prospects playing in Worcester gives me something to write about.

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I agree , just to be safe. Make them play in worcestor for a short period of time.

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Hey, 210!

How is sejna looking. I see he has only played 12 games with 4 pts. Do you think he will come around at worcestor eventually?

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The last couple games his play has been very good...he's starting to show confidence in his abilities again. He's been on the penalty kill as of late too, taking Pellerin's spot...looks very comfortable out there.

Not getting many bounces his way though...with any sort of luck he'd have a few more points.

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Apparently, Shkotov's goal vs. Slovakia was a pretty big milestone for the Russian junior hockey program:

http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr8803.htm

I like the fact that it was our prospect who got the goal. I guarantee that if it had been a Devils prospect, or a Colorado prospect, or (God forbid) a Detroit prospect, the media would have been all over it, crowing about how "this shows what great prospects these organizations have."

Because it was a Blues prospect, however... nothin'.

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very true...

 
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Each player is different and to build a philosophy based on one player's failure is simply ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous, degroat. It's a valid opinion that some may disagree with.

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It is ridiculous, execwrite. To build any philosophy in an aspect of life based on one example is nothing but ridiculous.

 
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The Sejna case should teach the Blues something. 210 called that one right from the beginning. Every rookie should start in Worcester for at least half a season.

Seemed to help Jackman and Backman.
Threre is a good point in it...
Nagy's case comes to mind: selected in 7th round 177 overall (1997)
98-99 season played for Halifax (QMJHL) 126 points in 63 games.
Next season 99-00 - at Worcester (51 points in 69 games) and was called up to Blues (6 points in 11 games)
00-01 season he spent mostly in NHL
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00036963

I's really difficult to say if Skotov is ready to play for Blues now. But It seems to me that anyway the best way would be to let him play for Ice Cats next year and based on his level of play make decisions whether to call him up to Blues.

The same case with Zakharov...

Aby opinions?

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Threre is a good point in it...
Nagy's case comes to mind: selected in 7th round 177 overall (1997)
98-99 season played for Halifax (QMJHL) 126 points in 63 games.
Next season 99-00 - at Worcester (51 points in 69 games) and was called up to Blues (6 points in 11 games)
00-01 season he spent mostly in NHL
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00036963

I's really difficult to say if Skotov is ready to play for Blues now. But It seems to me that anyway the best way would be to let him play for Ice Cats next year and based on his level of play make decisions whether to call him up to Blues.

The same case with Zakharov...

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The knock on shkotov, by jarmo in camp was that he wasnt strong enough yet. But you can add alot of muscle mass in a year so, he may have been told to. Jarmo also was very excited about his skill though. I would prefer to see him in worcestor first, there is no point in rushing him. But if he makes the team out of camp next season, i wouldnt be upset either. But if he starts to slump dont wait 20 games like we did with sejna. Treat him like backman. Bring him up a game here and there. Let him know he can play at the nhl level. Send him back down with confidence to grow in developement at the ahl level. Ease him into the nhl, so he is more consistent.


Thats good to hear 210. I was starting to think he was really disgruntled.

Ive been one of the fans excited about backman, but also thought he needed to improve slightly still yet. But these last few games he has shown me his O part of his game might be worth keeping around while his slight d problems/rookie mistakes work themselves out. He has really impressed me lately.


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The knock on shkotov, by jarmo in camp, was that he wasnt strong enough yet. But you can add a lot ( EDIT: "a lot" is TWO words, dammit!!!) of muscle mass in a year so, he may have been told to. Jarmo also was very excited about his skill though.
If I remember correctly, the same was said of Nagy when he was first getting started with the Blues... "needs to get stronger, gets knocked off the puck too easily," et cetera, et cetera...

Felix makes a good point above, as does 210. Sejna still has lots of potential, but he was rushed to the NHL. And yes, I was one of those who thought it as a good idea, and will gladly eat some crow over it now (pass the salt, please).

Rushing Shkotov to the NHL won't do him or the Blues any good. Better by far to let him follow the Nagy development path -- kick it in the QMJHL, play a year at Worcester, then up to the NHL.

Besides, from all indications, there won't be an NHL for Shkotov to play in next year, anyway.

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Each player is different and to build a philosophy based on one player's failure is simply ridiculous.
There have been far more careers ruined by calling a young player up to quickly than there have leaving them in the minors too long.

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And yes, I was one of those who thought it as a good idea, and will gladly eat some crow over it now (pass the salt, please).



Sorry PB, I had too.

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Sorry PB, I had too.
Send that salt over my way too.

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