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03-26-2007, 03:24 PM
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Don Cherry has lots of influence on the hockey world and you can believe that or not. He rants on for ever about icing and fighting and rules etc for one reason. TO CHANGE THE RULES AND GET HIS WAY.
He apparently has so much influence on the hockey world that the instigator penalty is still around, and no touch icing still does not exist.

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03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
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Not sadly at all. The vast majority of his points of view have merit.
No few, if any, of his hockey related points have any merit. He's the crazy old man of hockey.

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03-26-2007, 03:46 PM
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Count all the CBC shows in the top 10.

I counted up to one.

Hockey Night In Canada's early game. Wait, doesn't Don Cherry do that game?
Now is that because of Cherry, or the fact that the Leafs play?

What are the numbers like in the few instances where the Leafs don't have the early game but Grapes is on during the early game?

What's the viewership like then?

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03-26-2007, 03:52 PM
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No few, if any, of his hockey related points have any merit. He's the crazy old man of hockey.
No, not at all. Most of his hockey related points do have merit. The only ones I can think of that dont is the visor issue, & his xenophobia about Euros (though imo in general they are not as tough & do dive somewhat more, though both of these is not to the degree Cherry subscribes to).

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03-26-2007, 03:54 PM
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Now is that because of Cherry, or the fact that the Leafs play?

What are the numbers like in the few instances where the Leafs don't have the early game but Grapes is on during the early game?

What's the viewership like then?
Good questions

But the idea behind his argument was to say that Cherry salary is not payed for by tax money, but by HINC money.

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03-26-2007, 03:57 PM
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No, not at all. Most of his hockey related points do have merit. The only ones I can think of that dont is the visor issue, & his xenophobia about Euros (though imo in general they are not as tough & do dive somewhat more, though both of these is not to the degree Cherry subscribes to).
What, like Dion Phaneuf should have been nominated for the Norris, if not won it, Or Jordan "11 assists" Staal should win the Calder and he would have 50 goals if he got Malkins ice time.

About how Lidstrom isn't that good because he doesn't hit.

And many other ridiculous things. He's a crazy old man.

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03-26-2007, 04:04 PM
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What, like Dion Phaneuf should have been nominated for the Norris, if not won it, Or Jordan "11 assists" Staal should win the Calder and he would have 50 goals if he got Malkins ice time.

About how Lidstrom isn't that good because he doesn't hit.

And many other ridiculous things. He's a crazy old man.
1st paragraph isnt that far out there, though I diont agree with it. Your 2nd paragraph you would have to show me where he said that.
Problem with Cherry is the haters have a tendency to fabricate/embellish & overeact, just as the thread starter did.
Btw, if a person provided as many opinions as Cherry has & the ones you cite are some of the most egregious on hockey issues (aside fromthe xenophobe issue), then frankly, you dont have much.

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03-26-2007, 04:15 PM
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Good questions

But the idea behind his argument was to say that Cherry salary is not payed for by tax money, but by HINC money.
It's all semantics anyways... it's government revenue, regardless of where it comes from.

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03-26-2007, 04:17 PM
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1st paragraph isnt that far out there, though I diont agree with it. Your 2nd paragraph you would have to show me where he said that.
Problem with Cherry is the haters have a tendency to fabricate/embellish & overeact, just as the thread starter did.
Btw, if a person provided as many opinions as Cherry has & the ones you cite are some of the most egregious on hockey issues (aside fromthe xenophobe issue), then frankly, you dont have much.
He said that about Lidstrom when describing why Dion should have and could have won.

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I see it like this... HINC has costs, Cherry is one of them, and then after HINC pays for its costs the rest of the money gets spread out though CBC.

You can say HINC should fire Cherry, thats fine. But saying your tax dollars are being waisted on him is wrong IMO. If you wana say my tax dollars are being wasted on a tv personalty then get mad at a news ancor or a radio show host.

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03-26-2007, 04:23 PM
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He said that [he doesn't hit] about Lidstrom when describing why Dion should have and could have won.
And he might be right. Physicality is still an important role of a defenceman, and Lidstrom doesn't hit anywhere near as often or hard as Phaneuf does.

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03-26-2007, 04:27 PM
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And he might be right. Physicality is still an important role of a defenceman, and Lidstrom doesn't hit anywhere near as often or hard as Phaneuf does.
Yet Lidstrom is going to the HHOF when he's done and is probably the best defenseman of his generation.

Throwing big hits is overrated, because people forget how often Dion gets out of position trying to throw them.

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03-26-2007, 04:37 PM
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Like it or not, he's probably a huge ratings (and cash) cow for CBC. Especially since each of his segments are typically intertwined with two commercial spots.

If the guy stuck around after his French-Canadian and European comments, he won't be leaving after what he did last night.
Well said. Cherry makes the CBC too much money. I'm a hypocrite myself as I've complained about some of the crap he's said in the past but I still watch him religiously every Saturday night. I love how he's very pro-Canadian and how he tries to point out the finer details of the game for kids or when he talks about stories involving sick kids or those that go above and beyond in the hockey community.
But he does enrage me at times with his xenophobic views and hypocritical points (giving Crosby crap for being a showboat while he wears a suit that screams "LOOK AT ME!!!" is one example).

One interesting thing I've read is that MacLean has said that Don knows exactly what he's saying on each and every segment. There are times where Don will tell Ron, "this is the angle I'm going to go with, just go with the flow". So when he appears to be out of control, it's not always the case.

I think Don knows very well what the difference between Zubov and Zubrus is. He knows that Johnny Sixpack is jumping off his couch, spilling his beer yelling "You tell 'em Don!".

Hey, I love being Canadian as much as the next guy but my grandparents came from Russia and they are anything but heartless, spineless twerps. I'd love to see what would have happened to Don if he told my Grandfather as much. Don would have known what the Russians were all about in a hurry.

Anyway, Don is what he is. A sideshow that provides entertainment on both sides of the fence. He's a lot like Howard Stern; those who love him will listen to him on average of 1 hour a day while those that hate him will listen for over 2 hours.

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03-26-2007, 04:39 PM
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And he might be right. Physicality is still an important role of a defenceman, and Lidstrom doesn't hit anywhere near as often or hard as Phaneuf does.
Lidstrom is still miles ahead of Phaneuf, even with the apparent lack of hitting.

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Yet Lidstrom is going to the HHOF when he's done and is probably the best defenseman of his generation.

Throwing big hits is overrated, because people forget how often Dion gets out of position trying to throw them.
Absolutely agreed. But none of that changes the idea that Cherry might be right about who should've won that particular award.

Look...I've been watching Don Cherry for years. Sometimes I think he's way off base, sometimes he has some fairly salient points to make. He can be obnoxious, hilarious, stupid, insightful, vain, and humble...often, all in the same 7-minute segment. He has a colourful history (go read his autobiography someday, even if you don't like the man...it's an interesting read). For the few minutes he's on the air once a week, I don't think he does anything that would justify taking him off the air.

For the record, the OP's claim about Maclean being in fear of him is just plain silly--particularly seeing as how they've been doing the same show together for 25 years.

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Absolutely agreed. But none of that changes the idea that Cherry might be right about who should've won that particular award.
No, he's not right. Phaneuf certainly did have good offensive numbers, but he also wasn't playing against the other teams best players like Lidstrom consistantly does. The Norris is more than just points, and I don't think Phaneuf was even the best defenceman on his team, nevermind the league.

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No, he's not right. Phaneuf certainly did have good offensive numbers, but he also wasn't playing against the other teams best players like Lidstrom consistantly does. The Norris is more than just points, and I don't think Phaneuf was even the best defenceman on his team, nevermind the league.
I know, I know, I agree....I'm just saying that Cherry's thoughts on the subject are not closer to the ravings of a lunatic as others have suggested. My point is that although we may disagree with his point of view, he's not a deranged maniac spouting drivel.

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I find it amusing how far this thread has gone, especially by people who have some sort of an agenda against Cherry. Gee guys and gals, love him or hate him, Cherry always manages to get people talking, hmm somehow I think the CBC likes that. I find it very hypocritical that some people believe Cherry should be canned, but yet find the time to catch his segments. If you deny it, well don't bother trying to sway other people like myself who find him very entertaining.
To Jimmi Jenkins, to keep referring to Don Cherry as a crazy old man as your bone of contention doesn't add anything to the discussion, heck I think Lloyd Robertson is a robot with his monotone voice, yet I still watch the nightly newscast because sometimes he provides useful information.

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who cares that his salary is paid by the public. he's a big part of the only thing on that particular network that actually makes money. the whole cbc is one money sucking drain, but there's one show that people watch, and like it or not, he's a big reason why. if you want to get upset about the network wasting money, there's no end of shows that throw my tax dollars out the window.

i never watch the early game, but i always tivo from 5:45 until 7:00 so i can catch cherry and hotstove. i don't take a thing the guy says seriously, but it's like guys that watch nascar for the accidents. there might not be one every week, but you don't want to miss it when it finally happens.
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You don't foot the bill for Cherry, hes part of the only thing on CBC thats makes money HINC, if anything Cherry helps you pay less in tax's for the CBC
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CBC president Robert Rabinovitch said it was "distinctly possible" that the NHL would skate over to CTV. This would mean a loss of revenue for CBC estimated at $100 million a year, the committee was told. The CBC brass went on to say that if they lose hockey, they want more taxpayer money. Otherwise, Rabinovitch said, "we will have to seriously re-evaluate almost everything about English television."


***By that logic I would assume it means that NHIC is a money making venture, Cherry included.***

I suppose I could keep digging to find out if ratings really go down during Don Cherry's segment, but I'm pretty damn sure without even looking that it doesn't.

You may not like him, but I suspect that more often then not, you watch him
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Count all the CBC shows in the top 10.

I counted up to one.

Hockey Night In Canada's early game. Wait, doesn't Don Cherry do that game?
HNIC makes money by selling advertising, and it was one of the few CBC shows that actually attracts advertising dollars. I seem to recall hearing someone from CBC (sorry, don't have a link to a source)stating that their surveys showed that the only time that between periods viewership numbers are close to the actual game viewership numbers is during Coach's Corner. Some sponsor is paying Don Cherry's salary, and CBC is making a big buck off of the old curmudgeon.

Does anybody honestly think an outfit like the CBC would tolerate a person like Don Cherry if he wasn't making them tons of money? They would of got rid of him long ago if they could have, but they can't. They now have him on a short tape delay, so any violence towards Ron McLean will likely be cut out anyway.

Our taxes don't support Don Cherry, Don Cherry keeps our taxes lower...

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I still like Don Cherry. I don't agree with everything he says, but he's an institution and I'd be sad to see him go.

Plus his tributes to fallen soldiers and fallen police officers, as well as fire and EMS, is very honourable.

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I think that Don often holds very unpopular public opinions. But there's no disputing that he has his finger on Canadian culture, and is often revered as giving Canadians a sense of identity.

Although I disagree with his comments about european players, after Game 1 loss of the Salt lake city Olympics, would you REALLY wanted to have a critical TV personality telling us that all was lost, we suck, and the europeans were BETTER than us? Or have Don reaffirm that we were still the greatest hockey country in the world, and that we just needed to get the momentum going.


Like I said, I disagree with a lot of what he says, but still I believe his backbone, and some of his fossilized opinions have a place in our hockey media.


He's our Canadian media homer.

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You don't like him, don't watch.

And your tax dollars pay the salaries of much more objectionable folk than Grapes, little fella.
no kidding.leave Don alone!

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This is crazy. Cherry went to bat for Ron when CBC tried to freeze him out a short while back. Don't mistake the on-air stuff for anything more than what it is. I tune in for Coach's Corner even when I don't care to see the first game at all. I will also watch Satellite Hotstove. Rarely do I actually care to watch the Leafs though, so the intermissions will be all I watch of the first game. CBC drops that and I don't tune in at all.

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