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12-15-2003, 03:03 PM
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Olli Jokinen available?

www.thefourthperiod.com/rumors.html

According to the Ottawa sun the panthers could be shopping Olli Jokinen.
What do you think fellow boarders,

Comrie

for

Jokinen.........6'3........215lbs......$2,000,000 contract

Fair enough for both teams?

I would think so.

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Boy it would be nice to get Jokinen but which version would we be getting? The 20-30 pt. version or the 30 goal 60 pt. guy? I also think we would have to overpay to get him. Comrie would not be enough straight up for him, from a Dudley perspective?

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I'd rather Perry and the 1st.

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I'd rather Perry and the 1st.
I hope your joking dawgbone! I think the Oil have enough prospects, draft picks and what ever. This is one Oiler fan who will not be happy with the Anahiem deal.

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As Shizuka mentioned, you don't know which Jokinen you are going to receive... the one who put up 65 points, or the guy who had a tough time trying to crack 30 points.

plus, at $2mil, that's a pretty hefty chunk of change.

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btw, there is no such thing as enough prospects and draft picks.

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I seriously doubt the Panthers are shopping him. The idea seems to be that Olli was a guy who blossomed under Keenan, but now that Keenan's gone, Olli is soon to be gone as well. That really doesn't make any sense, Ollie is one of the best Panthers, and the team would never trade him, regardless of who he blossomed under. It would be like the Oilers trading Comrie (if Comrie hadn't asked for a trade).

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As Shizuka mentioned, you don't know which Jokinen you are going to receive... the one who put up 65 points, or the guy who had a tough time trying to crack 30 points.
plus, at $2mil, that's a pretty hefty chunk of change.
You really think $2mil is too much?
You never know how Perry will pan out either.
I just think Olli would be a nice fit in Oiler silks.

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As Shizuka mentioned, you don't know which Jokinen you are going to receive... the one who put up 65 points, or the guy who had a tough time trying to crack 30 points.

plus, at $2mil, that's a pretty hefty chunk of change.

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btw, there is no such thing as enough prospects and draft picks.
True enough, but you know what I mean.

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I think this is a pipedream rumour and likely pure speculation based upon Keenan's firing. Jokinen developed into a frontline player under Keenan's tutelage and I doubt very much he will be going anywhere.

Some players flourish under Keenan's tough love approach. Jokinen is one of these success stories and a talented, young top two-way centreman which will lead this youthful Panther team towards competitiveness. Wishful thinking!

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Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM
1997-1998 Kings 8, 0-0-0, -5, 6
1998-1999 Kings 66, 9-12-21, -10, 44
1999-2000 Islanders 82, 11-10-21, 0, 80
2000-2001 Panthers 78, 6-10-16, -22, 106
2001-2002 Panthers 80, 9-20-29, -16, 98
2002-2003 Panthers 81, 36-29-65, -17, 79
2003-2004 Panthers 31, 11-7-18, -5, 47

NHL Totals 426 82 88 170 -75 460


Here'r the stats on Olli, does he fight? He has a lot of pims for someone who doesn't but I didn't think he was the type.


Hmmmm... There are good arguments to be made either way here.

Pro Ollie:
He's a big center
he's almost hit the 40 goal plateau
he's young enough that we could get 4 seasons out of him

Ollie's negatives:
he's got a very poor +/-, MacT would hate him
if he takes two years to develop his all-around game he'll only have time for two productive seasons here.


I'd say this is a good trade for MC from our p-o-v. He has the same defensive woes, he is just as able to score, and he's waayyyy bigger.

Would I rather have Perry and the 1st? From an eastern team yeah, but I don't wanna give the Ducks a boost while our active roster remains unchanged.

Ollie all the way!

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Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM
1997-1998 Kings 8, 0-0-0, -5, 6
1998-1999 Kings 66, 9-12-21, -10, 44
1999-2000 Islanders 82, 11-10-21, 0, 80
2000-2001 Panthers 78, 6-10-16, -22, 106
2001-2002 Panthers 80, 9-20-29, -16, 98
2002-2003 Panthers 81, 36-29-65, -17, 79
2003-2004 Panthers 31, 11-7-18, -5, 47

NHL Totals 426 82 88 170 -75 460


Here'r the stats on Olli, does he fight? He has a lot of pims for someone who doesn't but I didn't think he was the type.


Hmmmm... There are good arguments to be made either way here.

Pro Ollie:
He's a big center
he's almost hit the 40 goal plateau
he's young enough that we could get 4 seasons out of him

Ollie's negatives:
he's got a very poor +/-, MacT would hate him
if he takes two years to develop his all-around game he'll only have time for two productive seasons here.


I'd say this is a good trade for MC from our p-o-v. He has the same defensive woes, he is just as able to score, and he's waayyyy bigger.

Would I rather have Perry and the 1st? From an eastern team yeah, but I don't wanna give the Ducks a boost while our active roster remains unchanged.

Ollie all the way!
Agreed

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As Shizuka mentioned, you don't know which Jokinen you are going to receive... the one who put up 65 points, or the guy who had a tough time trying to crack 30 points.

plus, at $2mil, that's a pretty hefty chunk of change.

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btw, there is no such thing as enough prospects and draft picks.

I'm with you Dawgbone. As nice as it would sound to have a premier 30+ scorer that will fit in the oilers system, and will be around for as long as Comrie could of been is pretty tough to find. If not it would cost the Oilers quite abit. I'm actually quite pleased with the players the Oilers have on their roster currently. granted we are still missing the consiment sniper, and the premier centerman, but to get those two type of players you would have to pay dearly...unless an oppotunity like Gaborik for Comrie (which will never happen) comes up you would be far better off to draft these players.

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I seriously doubt the Panthers are shopping him. The idea seems to be that Olli was a guy who blossomed under Keenan, but now that Keenan's gone, Olli is soon to be gone as well. That really doesn't make any sense, Ollie is one of the best Panthers, and the team would never trade him, regardless of who he blossomed under. It would be like the Oilers trading Comrie (if Comrie hadn't asked for a trade).
When you look at the way Stephen Weiss is coming along and the fact that they took two big stud centermen [edit: Horton and Stewart] in the first round in the last draft, I'd say that there's a strong possibility that he could be moving.

OTOH - it doesn't leave a lot of room for Comrie there unless he's moved to the wing.

Did anyone here really believe that Janne was going to be traded when he left town? Brind'Amour was traded twice in his career and he's had multiple 35 goal seasons and he's also very good defensively.

Ollie could easily be on the move.


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Its not like hes playing that bad... hes got 11 goals. I cant see why Florida would move him, especially for Comrie.

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Here'r the stats on Olli, does he fight? He has a lot of pims for someone who doesn't but I didn't think he was the type.
He does. He's definately "the type", but he's not just very good at it.

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When you look at the way Stephen Weiss is coming along and the fact that they took two big stud centermen [edit: Horton and Stewart] in the first round in the last draft, I'd say that there's a strong possibility that he could be moving.

OTOH - it doesn't leave a lot of room for Comrie there unless he's moved to the wing.

Did anyone here really believe that Janne was going to be traded when he left town? Brind'Amour was traded twice in his career and he's had multiple 35 goal seasons and he's also very good defensively.

Ollie could easily be on the move.
i'd rather the oilers target Weiss if FLA is looking to unload a Center... when he was in the comrie rumors (a while ago) i was pretty excited.

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