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03-28-2007, 12:54 PM
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Why don't players like our organization?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/en/news...p?idNews=24100

about two fifths of the way down when players were asked what team they would like to play for other than their own. One of the 283 players polled said Edmonton or 0.42% which put us in a last place tie with Carolina. Also when asked to which city you would least like to be traded to 28 (or 11.2%) responded Edmonton to put us in second place behin Buffalo.

So why don't players want to play for Edmonton?

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03-28-2007, 12:58 PM
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It's funny because Carolina/Buffalo seem to be doing quite well. Well, Carolina not so much this year, heh.

The Pronger situation did not help, that's for sure.

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Because the guys at the hockey news are a bunch of ****ing d***he bag ***hole, trying their hardest to make things hard for Lowe and the franchise in general.

I seriously want to kick brophy in the nuts.

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03-28-2007, 12:59 PM
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Which NHL arena has the best ice?
1) Edmonton (152) 58.4% still ?

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03-28-2007, 01:00 PM
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I think $$$ has a lot to do with it. Toronto/New York/Detroit is at the top of the most wanted list.. and who knows, once the cap goes up, it'll make things harder for teams like Edmonton/Buffalo. Plus, Edmonton's reputation for not overpaying star players in the past..

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03-28-2007, 01:10 PM
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I think the reasons go in this order:

1) Too much travel.
2) Too much fan/media attention.
3) They don't pay well.
4) Bad weather.
5) Smaller city.
6) Poor reputation for being competitive over the past 15 years.

I'd say #2 and #5 certainly have some positive aspects as well, but the fact remains that different people have different tastes. It seems there are quite a few hockey players that like at least a small taste of anonymity now and then and certainly people in general like bigger cities with all that they have to offer.

Honestly, I don't think this should be a big concern for the Oilers. They can only control #3 and #6 on this list anyway. I really don't see it as a significant barrier - just because Edmonton is not a first choice for NHL hockey players doesn't mean they can't bring players in and it doesn't mean it isn't an acquired taste for a lot of players either.

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03-28-2007, 01:14 PM
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If you were making a ton of money, where would you prefer to go? New York? Toronto? LA?

Edmonton?.

It's as simple as that.

Plus, what does it matter what they say? Buffalo takes a beating in this poll as well and they seem to be doing pretty good.

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03-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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Interesting points for me from this informal survey:

-They still think Rexall has the best ice? Obviously a lot of these votes came from Eastern conference guys that have only been here once in the past 3 years.

-The Oilers need to find that one guy who voted Edmonton as his next favourite place to play other than his own team and either trade for him or take a picture of him to keep in their scrapbook.

-Sean Avery must be the Antichrist, he had more 'most hated' votes than everyone else combined.

-Who were the 5 guys that voted 'women' as the best part of their jobs? I wonder how many are current Oilers?

-Funny how "Living dream/playing/adrenaline/sold out buildings, etc." got the overwhelming top vote as the best thing about their job, yet Edmonton was still 29th out of 30 teams they'd rather go to. I imagine the #1 thing they considered the worst thing about their job had something to do with it...

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03-28-2007, 01:19 PM
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We need to have two solid playoff seasons back to back before rankings like this will start to change IMO. Players love L.A. so much ... exactly what huge free agents have they signed the past few years?

Team stability/outlook for a player is a huge issue too.

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03-28-2007, 01:24 PM
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We need to have two solid playoff seasons back to back before rankings like this will start to change IMO. Players love L.A. so much ... exactly what huge free agents have they signed the past few years?

Team stability/outlook for a player is a huge issue too.
also, name the huge free agent signings that calgary and vancouver have had over the last few seasons?

free agents that are highly sought after tend to end up in the east where travel is better. end of story.

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03-28-2007, 01:24 PM
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I think the big thing we should be focusing on is, who is this guy who picked us, and should we trade for him?

My guess is, it was Laraque.

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03-28-2007, 01:25 PM
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The person who phrased those questions needs to go back to journalism school. Or polling school, whatever. They should have asked different questions for organization and city, rather than saying "Which city..." then answering "Edmonton Oilers." Last I heard, the Oilers were not a city. (If I'm mistaken, they should rename it to Shutoutville.)

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03-28-2007, 01:25 PM
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consider this:

of 283 players polled, 28 said they would not like to be traded to the oilers. That's only 1.2% of those in the survey

The 11.2% the Toronto Hockey News bandies about is of those who responded to the question

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consider this:

of 283 players polled, 28 said they would not like to be traded to the oilers. That's only 1.2% of those in the survey

The 11.2% the Toronto Hockey News bandies about is of those who responded to the question
umm... 28/283 = 9.9%, not 1.2%.

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Some jokers in the bunch.

Best player this season:10) Erik Cole, Pavel Datsyuk, Rory Fitzpatrick, Eric Goddard, Josh Green, Jarome Iginla, Mike Modano, Ryan Miller, Brian Rolston and Henrik Zetterberg (1) 0.38%

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03-28-2007, 01:33 PM
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umm... 28/283 = 9.9%, not 1.2%.
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03-28-2007, 01:33 PM
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about two fifths of the way down when players were asked what team they would like to play for other than their own. One of the 283 players polled said Edmonton or 0.42% which put us in a last place tie with Carolina.
That's not actually acurate.

Only 24 teams show upon that list so there are 6 more teams that didn't even rank.

You gotta wonder how many of these questions are answered based just off of reputation and not truly opinion. The question about the best ice is truly mind boggling considering how often the comments of visiting teams this year suggest that Edmonton, although not bad, is not even near the top in terms of best ice.

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03-28-2007, 01:34 PM
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To be honest....

And before I say anything... I don't necessarily agree with this.

But... from an outside perspective, Edmonton as a city just doesn't have the cache people associate with other cities. Young people (hockey players are all young) want to go to cities that have a rep as vibrant and exciting. Right or wrong, Edmonton doesn't carry the same excitement to the uninitiated.

Vancouver - Young, vibrant, athletic, coastal...
Montreal - young, vibrant, chic, french women...
Toronto - big money and big smoke...
Calgary - Finance, oil, high-tech, ski-trips to Banff... plenty of young people moving there.

These things may be true of Edmonton, but the reputation hasn't caught up. You guys need to start spreading the good word! (instead of focusing on the negative... victem mentality)

I grew up living halfway btwn Tdot and Ottawa. And I NEVER even considered spending a weekend going to Ottawa. It seemed like it was 3times as far away as Toronto. It suffered from a bad rap as a sleepy gov't town that was "way up north" (note the similarity).... however in the time since I've moved here, it's gaining steam... plenty of high tech jobs, lots of young people in the area, lots of outdoorsy things to do... Now all of my friends from the Tdot area are more than willing to come to visit on the weekend.

Reputations take time to build...

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Some jokers in the bunch.

Best player this season:10) Erik Cole, Pavel Datsyuk, Rory Fitzpatrick, Eric Goddard, Josh Green, Jarome Iginla, Mike Modano, Ryan Miller, Brian Rolston and Henrik Zetterberg (1) 0.38%
also lol @ the one player who listed "Cam Janssen" as the worst thing about his job.

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Interesting to see how Calgary and Edmonton stack up. Edmonton is the last team on the list (where players would want to play) and when it comes to Calgary there are 12 teams below them (including Edmonton) . Why would that be....similar sized cities, fan/media attention is about the same, travel is essentially the same. Calgary certainly hasn't had any more success it terms of on the ice results so that can't be it. Everything is about equal with the exception of the winter chinooks, so Calgary gets an edge when it comes to winter weather but thats about it. But apparently Edmonton is the last place in the NHL a player wants to play. Maybe Edmonton has a bigger image problem than some people want to admit?

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03-28-2007, 01:39 PM
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There is an image problem, but it's something that can be improved on ... Calgary is precisely an example of that.

We just need some stability in the franchise for starters. There's so much money in Edmonton too that it's time the city by and large starts to spend some of that for crying out loud also. Get a new arena going already. Census Canada is saying Alberta's population will double by 2030 to 6 million residents ... a lot of those are coming to Edmonton, the city needs to get more proactive in adding things that define the city.

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So 283 players were polled, but in the "To what city would you least like to be traded?" poll only 249 of them voted.

I wonder if the other 34 had their votes rendered invalid because they didn't know how to spell "Edmonton"?

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Interesting to see how Calgary and Edmonton stack up. Edmonton is the last team on the list (where players would want to play) and when it comes to Calgary there are 12 teams below them (including Edmonton) . Why would that be....similar sized cities, fan/media attention is about the same, travel is essentially the same. Calgary certainly hasn't had any more success it terms of on the ice results so that can't be it. Everything is about equal with the exception of the winter chinooks, so Calgary gets an edge when it comes to winter weather but thats about it. But apparently Edmonton is the last place in the NHL a player wants to play. Maybe Edmonton has a bigger image problem than some people want to admit?
Yes they have. Playoffs 3 years in a row since Sutter took over.

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Interesting to see how Calgary and Edmonton stack up. Edmonton is the last team on the list (where players would want to play) and when it comes to Calgary there are 12 teams below them (including Edmonton) . Why would that be....similar sized cities, fan/media attention is about the same, travel is essentially the same. Calgary certainly hasn't had any more success it terms of on the ice results so that can't be it. Everything is about equal with the exception of the winter chinooks, so Calgary gets an edge when it comes to winter weather but thats about it. But apparently Edmonton is the last place in the NHL a player wants to play. Maybe Edmonton has a bigger image problem than some people want to admit?
True...maybe that image problem has something to do with the people running the respective franchises?

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create a winning environment...players will want to come here...simple as that...

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