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04-01-2007, 01:51 PM
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Good God, some people have no class.

I'll usually stick up for OntOilFan because, like it or not, he's generally pretty realistic (if not excrutiatingly blunt), and I've built thick skin for this boards pesimism, but you guys (OOF and OilSlick) really pissed me off with this one. He gets recognized for overcoming diabetes and playing in the NHL and you have to come on and bitterly cut him down and say 'Oh, but he wont win, what is diabetes anyways?'

Get a life, and pull the tire iron out of your *****. Sometimes a little bit of positive feedback is alright.
Ironically I think I'm one of the more positive people about... do I think TP is a good guy? yes. Do I think he deserves some props for getting to the NHL? yes. Do I think he'll win the Masterton? No. Do you?

Again, I think there are alot of players on the team who I really like, and think will be (or are) really good... Smid, Stoll, Hemsky, Gilbert, Pisani, Horc, Roli, etc. etc. Do I think they'll win major awards this year? no.

It's really not a slight on TP - just people seemed to be getting excited about him potentially winning (well originally I posted because it was kind of obviouse that some didn't know it was a player from each team being nominated, rather than the usual 3 nominees).

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04-01-2007, 02:02 PM
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Is it... is it worse than Kessels cancer? Hell, even last year Murray didn't get to be a finalist (which he should have in fairness)... but if you guys hold out hope, then I guess that's a good thing. Carry on.
I'm not saying that Petersen will win over Kessel, I think that is pretty far fetched. I am also not saying that diabetes is more serious than cancer, cause that would be rediculous.

However, if you think of the intent of the Masterton trophy, Toby is a more appropriate candidate. It's awarded for dedication and perserverence.

Phil Kessel did not have to struggle with cancer while fighting his way onto an NHL roster. He was already in the NHL when he was diagnosed, and with his blue chip status was gonna get every opportunity to keep a roster spot reserved for him. With some treatment Kessel was given a clean bill of health and did not suffer any long term disabilities in regards to playing hockey.

Petersen on the other hand has had to work through a disease that affects him physically, that limits his abilities, that requires constant monitoring and self treatment, AND he did all this while alongside totally healthy peers who were also fighting to make an NHL roster. Let's not forget that though diabetes is controllable, it still leads to complications such as blindness, amputation, and heart disease. Diabetes kills too, just not as abruptly or viciously as cancer. Also realize that the mortality rate of testicular cancer is extremely low... about 4%.

Once again, I want to stress that I am not trying to belittle what happened to Kessel, or downplay the heart it took for him to battle through and get back so fast, but when you seriously look at the award and its meaning, Toby seems like more of the appropriate choice IMO.

Having said that, Kessel, playing in Boston, and having the big 'C' will most likely get it.

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04-01-2007, 02:10 PM
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Ironically I think I'm one of the more positive people about... do I think TP is a good guy? yes. Do I think he deserves some props for getting to the NHL? yes. Do I think he'll win the Masterton? No. Do you?
I know you're one of the more optimistic guys about, which kinda irks me even more. You missed the point entirely though. I could care less if he wins it or not, it's just a matter of giving him due credit for soemthing other than his skills as a hockey player. Buddy overcame an obstacle which is by no means a small one. Hell, I hate Adam Morrison as a basketball player but when I see him checking his blood sugar levels at the sidelines it brings a smile to my face.

If you think he deserves his props for getting there, it's all I needed to hear. You don't have to cut him down and analyze just how poor his chances of winning are.

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04-01-2007, 02:11 PM
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However, if you think of the intent of the Masterton trophy, Toby is a more appropriate candidate. It's awarded for dedication and perserverence.
Sadly I don't believe the intent has much to do with it. Basically I think it sometimes goes to players who overcome serious injuries ala Koivu and Berard, but usually only in cases when the injury is massively publicized. Look at last year... they gave it to Selanne over Rem Murray, and there is absolutely no way you could convince me anyone was more deserving of the Masterton than Rem... he friggin paid to play in the NHL, and overcame an awful illness... but the fact is that Teemu got alot more publicity around the league.

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If you think he deserves his props for getting there, it's all I needed to hear. You don't have to cut him down and analyze just how poor his chances of winning are.
ok. he deserves props.

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ok. he deserves props.


Perfect. Sorry for flying a 'lil off the handle there.

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I know you're one of the more optimistic guys about, which kinda irks me even more. You missed the point entirely though. I could care less if he wins it or not, it's just a matter of giving him due credit for soemthing other than his skills as a hockey player. Buddy overcame an obstacle which is by no means a small one. Hell, I hate Adam Morrison as a basketball player but when I see him checking his blood sugar levels at the sidelines it brings a smile to my face.

If you think he deserves his props for getting there, it's all I needed to hear. You don't have to cut him down and analyze just how poor his chances of winning are.
Atleast he didn't drop an OOF on him

No you know what, I've been as tough on him as anyone this season, but he deserves this nomination.

I believe that Kessel is a slam dunk with the come back from cancer thing, but props should be given to Petersen, he has shown great determination.

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He still sucks.
Suckage on this topic stops with you.

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I am also not saying that diabetes is more serious than cancer, cause that would be rediculous.
Diabetes is every bit as serious as cancer (both can be fatal, or result in long term disabilities)... The main difference is that Kessel could be cured from cancer, and Toby Petersen cannot be cured from diabetes.

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plus Kessel hasn't been dealing with Cancer for years and years, like Toby has been. I'd say the diabetes is a bigger thing to overcome because it is so long term and, yes, can be fatal.

By the way, OOF If I was a moderator I would ban your ass for saying that in this thread. If your family members had diseases like this, maybe you would realize how much of a cowardly and disrespectful thing it is to trivialize them. God.

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Definitely some props to Toby. and thanks jet228, I agree with you that Toby might be more representative of the Masterton than Kessel. Good thoughts.

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Diabetes is every bit as serious as cancer (both can be fatal, or result in long term disabilities)... The main difference is that Kessel could be cured from cancer, and Toby Petersen cannot be cured from diabetes.

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He still sucks.
And you're a disgrace to Oiler fans.....your point?

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And you're a disgrace to Oiler fans.....your point?
Bah-zing, Pens fans piling on, ouch.

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Get off your horse and give me a break!

Everyone and their dog on this board HATED Petersen two weeks ago. Now that we know he has diabetes he's a hero?

Good on him for playing with the condition. But he's still not very good.
You seem to get a great deal of pleasure from posting comments in every thread that serve no other purpose than to get a reaction out of people. If someone started a "Beer tastes good" thread, you would be the first person replying, and saying "beer sucks and only jokers drink it".

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This thread is hilarious. People arguing what disease sucks more than another..
Things are pretty rough in Oil Country.

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Good on him for playing with the condition. But he's still not very good.
Wow, you're an idiot. Do you know what the Masterson trophy is? It should never be confused with the Hart.....but come on, you're a joke.

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This thread is hilarious. People arguing what disease sucks more than another..
Things are pretty rough in Oil Country.
Your new Avatar is also hilarious!! Bravo RD.

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This thread is hilarious. People arguing what disease sucks more than another..
Things are pretty rough in Oil Country.
LoL. That made me laugh.

Well said.

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Didn't you say I could say anything I want about Petersen?



Ah ha! You did.

And he sucks.
Wow. You really got me there.

While most people the age of 12 would realize the "say what you want about Petersen" line was a reference to recognizing he is not a world-beater as a player regardless of the Masterton nomination, you've twisted it to mean "Go ahead and say anything you want, no matter how ridiculous" about the guy. Ah ha? What the hell is that? You have issues, Jack.

You don't get it. Buh-by now.

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diabetes isn't debilitating. it's a condition where you have to monitor your blood sugar to make sure it's not too high or too low. it's a wide range in which it can swing without causing any major problems. him wearing an insulin pump just means that his blood sugars stay fairly constant rather than maybe needing to have a couple sugar candies during intermission.
in any case, petersen for the masterton? i guess he's the only one deserving of the trophy since nobody else has percevered from anything. the boy doesn't suck (tho i'm still not a huge fan anyways) cuz he's a great 3rd or 4th liner but because IMO!!! (not libel if i state this!) mact has a huge man crush on the boy and is getting put into 1st and 2nd line situations in where he's definately way over his head. in this position, he sucks cuz he doesn't bring anything of use since he's not scoring or putting up any points or even getting shots. but it's not his fault for getting put where he's at. you can look squarely at the coach for the blame.

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Wow, you're an idiot. Do you know what the Masterson trophy is? It should never be confused with the Hart.....but come on, you're a joke.
That's my problem though... I think the Masterton is a joke... I lost all respect for it when Teemu wins it for having a rebound year after a knee injury over rem the gem paying to play in the NHL while playing with a terrible nerve disorder. If ever there should have been a winner, it was Rem.

Just goes to who gets the most press for their injury.

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Just goes to who gets the most press for their injury.
That, I don't have a problem with. I do have a problem with cutting a player down for no reason. This thread isn't about his hockey skills, it's about his being nominated for the Masterson and his battle with type 1 diabetes.

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Kessel had testicular Cancer if I remember correctly which if you are a man that is the one cancer that you would rather have if you get diagnosed with any. It is one of the easiest to cure and there is usually no Chemo or Radiation therapy involved at all. You have surgery and about a 4-6 week recovery period and then life goes on as normal.

Diabetes is a life long illness and can sometimes be quite debilitating.

I am sure that neither would be fun, I think the diabetes is the worse of the two, but because it is the big "C" Kessel will win.

I also think that Rem Murray should have won last year. But the media prevails and I doubt an Oiler will win any awards in the near future at all, that is just the way it goes. Too bad though, as Rem did deserve it last year by a long shot. Lots of players have knee injuries and come back to play. The awards are a Joke and I personally don't take the winners that seriously at all.

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Oh and isn't it the media or the professional sports writers assoc that decides who wins anyways?

so of course it is bias!

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