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Philadelphia wouldn't do it because they are very high on Esche. And Esche has done nothing to warrant being traded, he has been the best goalie on the team. Not to mention Thibault isn't the answer, and he's injured.
Both are fair deals IMO and work well for both clubs.
I dont think the league realizes that Mr. T-bo was an all star last year, and that his team went winless in what, 14 games after he went down with an injury.
I've said it before, and i will say it again, Toskala is a #1 goalie. He is doing great right now, and should be the starter. Good deal.
1) Chicago can't take on Primeau's salary and WON'T. They don't want anymore overpriced forwards coming in. They need defensemen!
2) Esche for Thibault? A guy that until this year was struggling as a backup for a guy that is a pretty good starter, albet a bit injured probably due more to the situation than the player.
3) Nieminen is pretty young still, 26 is young for a forward. He could still turn the corner, but it could be far fetched that he will.
Still I don't like this deal at all for Chicago...Going with an Esche/Anderson/Leighton tandem could really sink their ship fast.
Please explain how moving Weeks at this point helps Carolina.
it's not so much moving Weekes as it is acquiring Nabokov. Carolina is looking towards the future, and Nabby will be good for a while yet.
if Jeff O'Neill starts to turn up the good and turn down the suck, this deal wouldn't happen. For now, the Canes would be smart to trade him while the getting is still somewhat good...
As a Sharks fan i would say done deal
As a Carolina fan i would slap you in the face with my glove and challenge u to a duel hehe
well, for some reason, the slapping part i can envision quite clearly. anyone want to explain why this isn't a fair proposal? no one seems to like it, but they won't bother to explain why...
well, for some reason, the slapping part i can envision quite clearly. anyone want to explain why this isn't a fair proposal? no one seems to like it, but they won't bother to explain why...
Weekes is one of the top goaltenders this season and for the last few seasons despite playing on a very weak team. Look at his stats. Right now he is better than Nabokov. O'Neill is the only impact player on Carolina's current team.
well, for some reason, the slapping part i can envision quite clearly. anyone want to explain why this isn't a fair proposal? no one seems to like it, but they won't bother to explain why...
Here is my breakdown on how the deal shakes out:
Nabokov > Weekes
Dimitrakos <<< O'Neill
The differance between Nabokov and Weekes, all things considered, is pretty marginal. Kevin has been effective in nets for us ever since he came over in the deal from Tampa. Nabokov missed a pretty good amount of camp and preseason and such with contract disputes if I remember correctly. What I think Weekes lacks in skill compared to Nabokov, which I think isn't all that significant, he makes up in reliability and having no issues coming up with a contract last offseason. Weekes is the goalie of the future for the Hurricanes and now that Laviolette is in town, we should see him getting a little more run support when it comes to the gems that he has been known to post and either lose or tie. Even if this deal was Weekes and a 3rd for Nabokov, i'd still respectfully decline. It's a lateral move at best by trading a goaltender that has been hot for us for a goaltender who we haven't even seen very much of due to the fact that he plays across the conference.
Now. Here is where the major beef of the deal is. With all due respect to Dimitrakos, who I haven't even really heard of before I saw this proposal, he's not worth Jeff O'Neill straight up. He could be a wonderful guy and all, great at parties and everything, but Jeff O'Neill is a fairly consistant 60+ point player. Dimitrakos is little more than a decent prospect. Jeff has scored 25+ goals for the past 4 years, can Dimitrakos match those numbers with similar? I'm honestly doubting it. When you're a boring trap team like Carolina has been for the past few years, you don't trade your only valuable scorer for a question mark. It simply doesn't happen.
The differance between Nabokov and Weekes, all things considered, is pretty marginal. Kevin has been effective in nets for us ever since he came over in the deal from Tampa. Nabokov missed a pretty good amount of camp and preseason and such with contract disputes if I remember correctly. What I think Weekes lacks in skill compared to Nabokov, which I think isn't all that significant, he makes up in reliability and having no issues coming up with a contract last offseason. Weekes is the goalie of the future for the Hurricanes and now that Laviolette is in town, we should see him getting a little more run support when it comes to the gems that he has been known to post and either lose or tie. Even if this deal was Weekes and a 3rd for Nabokov, i'd still respectfully decline. It's a lateral move at best by trading a goaltender that has been hot for us for a goaltender who we haven't even seen very much of due to the fact that he plays across the conference.
Now. Here is where the major beef of the deal is. With all due respect to Dimitrakos, who I haven't even really heard of before I saw this proposal, he's not worth Jeff O'Neill straight up. He could be a wonderful guy and all, great at parties and everything, but Jeff O'Neill is a fairly consistant 60+ point player. Dimitrakos is little more than a decent prospect. Jeff has scored 25+ goals for the past 4 years, can Dimitrakos match those numbers with similar? I'm honestly doubting it. When you're a boring trap team like Carolina has been for the past few years, you don't trade your only valuable scorer for a question mark. It simply doesn't happen.
So there, thats my take.
good. nice take! i can see where you're coming from, and much as I like Weekes, i still dont' consider him a top-tier goaltender, whereas, when Nabokov is on his game, he's one of the best. that said, when Weekes is on his game, he's pretty darn good too...
i made the O'Neill proposal, not because the Canes want to trade one of their best players, but because he blows goat right now. i was thinking of adding something to the Canes side of things, just because Jeff is the whole package when playing well, but i wasn't sure how it would play out. i still think its a fair deal, but i see your points too...
well, for some reason, the slapping part i can envision quite clearly. anyone want to explain why this isn't a fair proposal? no one seems to like it, but they won't bother to explain why...
Hope u didn't take that seriously i was watching that simpsons episode at the time you know the zorro one where homer imitates him and starts slapping everyone with the glove and challenges them to a duel and they all back down except that texan hehe damn that's funny
Dimitrakos is a very solid prospect. He is already a 40-50-point scorer, IMO. tons of skills, and he is getting much better defensively. Salary, is also a factor, although I don't have the figures, I think Oneil and Weekes together make more than Nabakov and Dimitrakos. Unless Oneil starts shaping up, I would ship him out in this deal, from either teams' perspective.
