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12-18-2003, 01:03 AM
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It's all just Lanny yapping anyway. He does that just as much here. Does anyone really expect anything different from him?
Nice kool aid stand ladies.

You wanna know why there's so much scrutiny over anything Edmonton does by those at CP and here? Read the mindless drivel in this forum. Read the Edmonton media (can they write a single article on anything without a veiled shot at Calgary and attempting to compare Edmonton to somelace else?). There is no objectivity. Its all a bunch of self-congratulatory back-slapping yahoos who don't have a clue about anything beyond the Edmonton city limit (metaphorically speaking of course). Calgary fans know their team sucks and have never tried to convince anyone they have a shot at winning anything. Making the playoffs would require a miracle and the majority of Flames fans know that. The talent pool has been thin and the team has squandered rebuilding opportunites. Management has been a contradiction in terms with the Flames.

But Edmonton fans live in this fantasy world where "Oiler hockey" is something unique and the team is a serious threat each and every year, as if the yearly tradition of just barely sneaking into the playoffs on the final weekend of the season before getting anhilated in the opening round was a badge of honor. Every player that gets traded was over-rated and every player that dons the mechanized sperm jersey becomes a superstar in waiting. Any effort to point out the obvious short comings in the Oilers by anyone is viewed as petty jealousy. Even when the facts are laid at their feet in explicit terms, with enough support to sink an aircraft carrier, a blind eye is regularly turned in favor of the Oiler populous belief. Its a little sickening after a while.

Fact of the matter is that the Flames and the Oilers are not much different. They haven't been much different over the past decade, the Oilers just having better coaching and performances from their "star" players when it mattered. These two teams face the same challenges and the same problems. Neither team is Stanley Cup contender and neither team is a lock for the playoffs. Both teams must make the most out of the resources they have and maximize the return when their star players are traded out of need. All the bravado in the world doesn't change the fact that odds are stacked against both teams. Calgary fans learned that the hard way and Oiler fans are going to be experiencing that over the next few years, if these franchises even exist in three years.

So forgive Flames fans (among others) if it appears that we are picking on you, or enjoying seeing Oiler fans suffer the same slaps in the face that other teams have suffered through. The many years of hearing how great the 12th-16th best team in the league is, and how greater things are just around the corner, has worn a little thin over time. The Oilers have been on an organizational slippery slope for the past few years and its finally hit critical mass so to speak. "Oilers hockey" was great. Unfortunately that style hasn't been seen in these parts for quite some time. Now the Oilers are just like any other crew in the NHL, doing their best to get by on the meek resources they have. Welcome to the real world. Reality is *****.

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12-18-2003, 03:55 AM
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Get a life Lanny. When he said 'anyone from CP', he actually meant anyone with two operative neurons. That cancels you out.

I question the credibility of any site that bashes another city and calls their inhabitants "inbred rednecks". Let me tell you something, you hateful spineless little CP twits, Edmonton is not the Alberta city with that stereotype.

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12-18-2003, 05:35 AM
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Nice kool aid stand ladies.

You wanna know why there's so much scrutiny over anything Edmonton does by those at CP and here? Read the mindless drivel in this forum. Read the Edmonton media (can they write a single article on anything without a veiled shot at Calgary and attempting to compare Edmonton to somelace else?). There is no objectivity. Its all a bunch of self-congratulatory back-slapping yahoos who don't have a clue about anything beyond the Edmonton city limit (metaphorically speaking of course). Calgary fans know their team sucks and have never tried to convince anyone they have a shot at winning anything. Making the playoffs would require a miracle and the majority of Flames fans know that. The talent pool has been thin and the team has squandered rebuilding opportunites. Management has been a contradiction in terms with the Flames.
http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/e...2-18-0097.html
http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/e...2-18-0098.html
http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/e...2-18-0102.html

Hmm... not a single one compares Edmonton to another city, nor does it take a veiled shot at Calgary. Oh, I am sorry if my argument is watered down with trivial things like facts and proof. And in case you were completely unaware, it's the Edmonton Media's job to talk about what happens within the city limits. That is why it is called the <b>Edmonton Media</b>

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But Edmonton fans live in this fantasy world where "Oiler hockey" is something unique and the team is a serious threat each and every year, as if the yearly tradition of just barely sneaking into the playoffs on the final weekend of the season before getting anhilated in the opening round was a badge of honor. Every player that gets traded was over-rated and every player that dons the mechanized sperm jersey becomes a superstar in waiting. Any effort to point out the obvious short comings in the Oilers by anyone is viewed as petty jealousy. Even when the facts are laid at their feet in explicit terms, with enough support to sink an aircraft carrier, a blind eye is regularly turned in favor of the Oiler populous belief. Its a little sickening after a while.
Wow... that is pretty much the worst piece of philosophical BS I have ever seen. Oiler hockey is unque. Unlike the flames, the Oilers haven't caved into that sad little game of follow the trapping team to glory. I hate to drop a little bit of common sense into your bat cave, but for the most part when it is playoff time a teams fans are generally supposed to cheer for their team and want them to win. Making the playoffs is some kind of badge of honour, because it means your team is better than pretty much half the other teams. Maybe you should go back to some of the threads about the past few Oiler trades before spouting your horse snot about how every Oiler traded away is vastly inferior to the one in return:

Carter-Pisa for Dvorak-Cross: Now, I am not sure what rock you crawled out from under, but there weren't a whole lot of happy Oiler fans when this trade was made. Oiler fans had been saying all along that Anson Carter was a good goal scorer, but that he didn't contribute much else, and he had a tendancy to disappear. That didn't come out of the blue after he was traded, that was the opinion ever since he became an Oiler. Most fans didn't know who Dvorak was, but as they learned more about him, and watched him play, they liked him. It had nothing to do with him being an Oiler all of a sudden, it was most were watching him play for the first time while he was completely healthy.

Niinimaa for Isbister-Torres: There is not an oiler fan in existence who wouldn't love to have Niinimaa back with the Oilers. He was a fan favorite, and a guy who worked his ass off. That being said, he was getting to the point where he was going to be too expensive, and Oiler fans realize this. Oiler fans are pretty happy with the return, because Torres has proven to be a pretty decent player who doesn't stop working. Finances aside, Oiler fans are probably split on who they would rather have, Torres/Isbister or Niinimaa.

York for Poti-Murray: Poti was being booed out of town... so this didn't happen after the deal by any stretch, it facilitated the deal.

Weight for Reasoner-Hecht: There is not an Oiler fan who is ultimately happy with the full value the Oilers got in this deal. The Oilers lost their captain, best player, heart and soul, etc.. and so far, all they got in return is a 3rd and 4th line centre, and a goaltending prospect. That being said, the players the Oilers have are guys that Oiler fans like. There aren't many Oiler fans who trash Doug Weight, nor are there many who don't think that value wise, the Oilers got enough. Most Oiler fans know that Lowe's hands were tied on the deal, and he got pretty much as much as he could in return for Weight.

Now, in any of those trades, I don't see where you get that anyone who leaves is over-rated, and anyone who returns is a superstar. Oiler fans can take criticism. This team is below .500, so there is room for it. Unfortunately, most of the "constructive criticism" coming from non-Oiler fans is based on absolutely nothing. The Oilers have a horrible special teams (both pp and pk)... there isn't an Oiler fan who doesn't see this. The Oilers have players who aren't living up to expectations... guys like Horcoff, Chimera, etc were all given a vote of confidence and struggled. The Oilers haven't had the best goaltending from their best goalie. The Oilers don't have enough defensive depth... The Oilers have about 3 #3-4 defencemen, and about 4 #5-7 defencemen. These are all things Oiler fans know and talk about. Most of the criticism from outside the Oiler fan base is either completely misinformed, or not applicable.

It's hilarious how many people are slagging Lowe over things in the Comrie situation <b>When they know nothing about it</b>. Calgary Puck was trashing Lowe over his asking Comrie for 2.5 mil, when they didn't even have half the story.

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Fact of the matter is that the Flames and the Oilers are not much different. They haven't been much different over the past decade, the Oilers just having better coaching and performances from their "star" players when it mattered. These two teams face the same challenges and the same problems. Neither team is Stanley Cup contender and neither team is a lock for the playoffs. Both teams must make the most out of the resources they have and maximize the return when their star players are traded out of need. All the bravado in the world doesn't change the fact that odds are stacked against both teams. Calgary fans learned that the hard way and Oiler fans are going to be experiencing that over the next few years, if these franchises even exist in three years.

So forgive Flames fans (among others) if it appears that we are picking on you, or enjoying seeing Oiler fans suffer the same slaps in the face that other teams have suffered through. The many years of hearing how great the 12th-16th best team in the league is, and how greater things are just around the corner, has worn a little thin over time. The Oilers have been on an organizational slippery slope for the past few years and its finally hit critical mass so to speak. "Oilers hockey" was great. Unfortunately that style hasn't been seen in these parts for quite some time. Now the Oilers are just like any other crew in the NHL, doing their best to get by on the meek resources they have. Welcome to the real world. Reality is *****.
Man, are you 4? Do you not think Oiler fans know all this stuff? Do you not think Oiler fans are aware that the odds are stacked against them? This is the same team that has traded away allstar after allstar. This is the same team that was one of the worst in the league in the early 90's. The reason why you were hearing how great the 12th-16th best team in the league is was because there has always been competition between these 2 franchises and their fans. Calgary fans have not hesitated a second to talk smack when their team is ahead in the standings. Nor have they hesitated to make claims over the past few seasons that the Oilers will fall soon. So go grab a ladder and get over yourself. The Oilers have not been on an organization slippery slope. In case you've missed it (which wouldn't suprise me), Lowe has been talking for the past few seasons (pretty much since he became GM), that the Oilers are going to continually build and re-tool their team for after the new CBA. This isn't a shock, this didn't start this year when the Oilers struggled, it has been a plan. But unlike most teams that rebuild, the Oilers didn't drop to 26th overall. The Oilers have always had to rely on their meek resources, but at the same time, they have always played a style of game that has provided an exciting game.

If my team is going to finish 11th in the conference, I might as well be entertained in the process. I don't think Flames fans can make the statement that they were entertained the past 7 years.

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12-18-2003, 05:38 AM
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Lanny, thanks for coming here and clearing things up. The original idea behind this thread is that flame fans seem a little obsessed with the oilers in an unattractive way. Your 100 posts on the comrie thread and subsequent novella on this thread ha gone a long way to clarifying things.

BTW, please stop with the Kool-aid references. The tragic deaths of 900 cultists in Gyuana may seem hilarious to you, but it doesn't bring a smile to my face.

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12-18-2003, 05:47 AM
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and as for comparing teams

Why would Edmonton need to compare itself to Calgary in any way when it comes to pro sports. Lets face it is the opposite way around.

Edmonton has four more Stanley Cups than the Flames and 7 more Grey Cups. So there is no comparision.

So Calgary has 11 professional cups to win before they even tie Edmonton's success in pro sports.

These are the facts Lanny and yes you are ahead so far this year but Calgary has finished behind Edmonton the last 7 years. Maybe they will finish ahead this year but isn't it time for Calgary to stop measuring their success against Edmonton and actually measure success on something else.

I remember there was a big celebration on Calgarypuck because they knocked Edmonton out of the playoffs one year. Of course Calgary had been out for about a month and a half. To me it was a lame celebration considering how sad sack Calgary was that year but they were celebrating like they had won the Stanley Cup.

Its time to measure your success on YOUR OWN merits Calgary. So far this year you have that, but remember the season ends in April NOT in December. There is a lot of hockey left to be played.


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Fact of the matter is that the Flames and the Oilers are not much different. They haven't been much different over the past decade, the Oilers just having better coaching and performances from their "star" players when it mattered. These two teams face the same challenges and the same problems. Neither team is Stanley Cup contender and neither team is a lock for the playoffs. Both teams must make the most out of the resources they have and maximize the return when their star players are traded out of need. All the bravado in the world doesn't change the fact that odds are stacked against both teams. Calgary fans learned that the hard way and Oiler fans are going to be experiencing that over the next few years, if these franchises even exist in three years.
The local sports radio station sometimes touches base with Roger Millions. Roger's take is that the Flames have been able to rely on Calgary's head offices to buy season tickets, while the Oilers haven't had that luxury. "They've made the Saddledome a great place to do business" was the way he put it.

Making the playoffs, even just to be eliminated in the first round, isn't the pointless exercise you make it sound like. The Flames players and management talk about getting the team into the playoffs constantly. It must be pretty important to somebody.

I often get the impression that Flames fans have been conned into believing success relative to the Oilers is an acceptable substitute for *real* success. Flames fans were talking like they'd won the Stanley Cup the year they won the game that put the final nail in the Oilers' coffin. For the final 2 months of last season, we heard not that the Flames were improving or whatever, but how the Flames were going to put the Oilers out of the playoffs again in the last week of the regular season. Last season's big promotion was "Craig MacTavish ripped our mascot's tongue out but we fixed it!" night. After beating the Oilers on "Fan Appreciation Night" last season we saw Iginla on the TV talking about what a huge win it was for the organization and the fans... huh? Flames were already eliminated... Oilers had already clinched... it was huge? By Flames standards, a win over the Oilers is a huge win for the organization?

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Kudos to you dawgbone, that probably took you three hours to write. Nice job.

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What is Oiler hockey exactly? I always wondered. Can you Oil fans explain what the deal/system is?

All I notice is that they shoot from anywhere and drive the net hoping for a rebound or a deflection. Is scoring from blue ice what Oilers hockey is?

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Why so much hatred on Calgarypuck?


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What is Oiler hockey exactly? I always wondered. Can you Oil fans explain what the deal/system is?

All I notice is that they shoot from anywhere and drive the net hoping for a rebound or a deflection. Is scoring from blue ice what Oilers hockey is?
Don't ask us, it is all the other teams in the league that say they like Oiler Hockey.

By definition I think it would be "Opposite of Trap."

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Don't ask us, it is all the other teams in the league that say they like Oiler Hockey.

By definition I think it would be "Opposite of Trap."
Opposite of trap could be a lot of things. Plus most teams in the league play the trap. As an example the Red Wings play a left wing lock type of trap. Hardly a boring team.The Flames play a high/aggressive forcheck type of trap (similar to the Oilers actually) and they are quite entertaining since they get a lot of "off the rush" chances. Minny, Ana and SJ are very boring trap teams, but they don't forchec, they just clog the neutral zone.

I still don't get the Oilers hockey myth.

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Well from what I understand (I was little in the 80's and can't remember) the Edmonton Oilers popularized the run-and-gun style in the NHL. Therefore, it is Oiler's hockey. I realize the Oilers didn't invent that style, but the tag stuck with us and is pretty much the style everyone thinks of when they think of the Oilers.

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Opposite of trap could be a lot of things. Plus most teams in the league play the trap. As an example the Red Wings play a left wing lock type of trap. Hardly a boring team.The Flames play a high/aggressive forcheck type of trap (similar to the Oilers actually) and they are quite entertaining since they get a lot of "off the rush" chances. Minny, Ana and SJ are very boring trap teams, but they don't forchec, they just clog the neutral zone.

I still don't get the Oilers hockey myth.
If you want to see it, watch a team (not your favorite team, but a team you know very little about).

Then watch 2 games, one against a team like Minnesota, the other against Edmonton (preferably in games close to each other).

Draw your own conclusions.

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Opposite of trap could be a lot of things. Plus most teams in the league play the trap. As an example the Red Wings play a left wing lock type of trap. Hardly a boring team.The Flames play a high/aggressive forcheck type of trap (similar to the Oilers actually) and they are quite entertaining since they get a lot of "off the rush" chances. Minny, Ana and SJ are very boring trap teams, but they don't forchec, they just clog the neutral zone.

I still don't get the Oilers hockey myth.
The Red Wings also have enough talent that when they create a turnover, their first reaction isn't to ice the puck.

There is also the clutching and grabbing issue... teams with speed and a strong ability to move the puck have little to no use for clutching and grabbing through the neutral zone.

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I wouldn't waste too much time replying to CupBound - I think we can all smell this troll a mile away.

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I wouldn't waste too much time replying to CupBound - I think we can all smell this troll a mile away.
actually you're the troll here. I am discussinghockey here with fellow hockey fans, you on the other hand do not.

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If you want to see it, watch a team (not your favorite team, but a team you know very little about).

Then watch 2 games, one against a team like Minnesota, the other against Edmonton (preferably in games close to each other).

Draw your own conclusions.
I have drown my own conclusion and I think that Oiler hockey is nothing more, but a distant memory. The Oilers play the trap when they have a lead and they seem to take a lot of shots from anywhere and hope for garbage goals. If that's what Oiler hockey is than fine, but I find it funny how Oiler fans like to school others about exciting hockey while they can't even recognize how their own team isn't playing any different than most others.

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I have drown my own conclusion and I think that Oiler hockey is nothing more, but a distant memory. The Oilers play the trap when they have a lead and they seem to take a lot of shots from anywhere and hope for garbage goals. If that's what Oiler hockey is than fine, but I find it funny how Oiler fans like to school others about exciting hockey while they can't even recognize how their own team isn't playing any different than most others.
See, the second you said the Oilers play the trap, you pretty much rendered everything else you said as meaningless.

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See, the second you said the Oilers play the trap, you pretty much rendered everything else you said as meaningless.
The Oilers play the trap when they have a lead. All teams do actually and you are in danial if you don't believe that.

And what is Oilers Hockey again? Please answer or admit that you're clueless about different styles of play and are just buying in to Edmonton Media hype and think that Oilers invented scoring goals.

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Are you here just to get a reaction? Wide-open run-and-gun FAST hockey is Oiler's hockey. By making such a huge deal out of it, you're making yourself look, well, kinda jealous I'm sorry to say. Just like the CP'ers that linked this thread to their site about two nanoseconds after this thread was made. If you want Oiler news right away, that trashy sad excuse for a hockey site is where you want to go.

And yes the Oilers do trap when we have a lead, sometimes. We'd be foolish to say the Oilers didn't.

The fact remains that when someone, it doesn't matter what team they cheer for, is asked "What team is most exciting to watch?", I guarantee you that most of them will answer "Edmonton Oilers". Even the Bruins fans here wish they played Edmonton more often because the Oiler's are so exciting, sorry you can't accept that.


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Opposite of trap could be a lot of things. Plus most teams in the league play the trap. As an example the Red Wings play a left wing lock type of trap. Hardly a boring team.The Flames play a high/aggressive forcheck type of trap (similar to the Oilers actually) and they are quite entertaining since they get a lot of "off the rush" chances. Minny, Ana and SJ are very boring trap teams, but they don't forchec, they just clog the neutral zone.

I still don't get the Oilers hockey myth.
The moment said "high/aggressive forcheck type of trap" one knew you were an idiot & likely a troll.

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The moment said "high/aggressive forcheck type of trap" one knew you were an idiot & likely a troll.
LOL. That's all you got? Thanks for the great contribution.

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LOL. That's all you got? Thanks for the great contribution.
I think everyone believes that no matter what the answer, you are going to tear down the argument, regardless of whether the point has merit.

Go and debate how much the Oilers suck on Calgary puck.

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I wouldn't waste too much time replying to CupBound - I think we can all smell this troll a mile away.
No doubt. Hard to forget the numerous times he bashed the Oilers in anyway that he could.

As stated by another poster. The easy way to define Oiler hockey is by watching it.

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LOL. That's all you got? Thanks for the great contribution.
Ok wise guy, tell me how the trap is related to forechecking.
Do you even know what the trap is , donkey?

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