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12-18-2003, 06:45 PM
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Crying? When did I cry? Reread my post! I said it left me with a bitter tasted in my mouth.....that was it. I presented my reason for that as well. Sheesh. The post that you have in question, is a general statement made about NHL officiating in general, not just tonights game. Again, there is no tears there, just my thoughts on how bad officiating is in this league.



What is RDS? Did you see the game or listen to it on radio? 10 ft = exaggeration on my part. More like 5 feet. Still, it was not an obvious intereference call IMO. Garon went sprawling for the puck, was already down, was well out of the net/goaltending crease, had no chance of making the save even if he was mobile (which he wouldn't have been b/c he dove for where he thought the puck was), and went sprawling into Bouilion and the Pred player battling for what they thought was a rebound. I just cannot believe the goal was waived off for this, and furthermore, why did they not call the penalty, if they felt so strongly about taking the goal away??!?! I'm not sure the Officials knew what they were doing tonight. They waived off that goal, 5 minutes later waived off an obvious Habs goal for no reason (which was reviewed and given to the Habs thankfully), and then counted a Bulis non-goal (which was reviewed and eventually taken away). Its like they decided to take out the goal judge completely in this game. Hope that makes sense, if you didn't catch the game.
RDS is a TV station here in Montreal. They broadcast all of are games (all 82) They reported those facts. As for your tirade with the goal, i've said all I need to say. I don't feel we stole this one. I feel with got what we deserved. Still, good effort for your team. The future does seem kind of bright. You earned a point against the oldest team in the league. That has to count for something.

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RDS is a TV station here in Montreal. They reported those facts. By the way, you do know this team(The habs I mean) are the oldest team in pro hockey and have won 24 stanley cup titles right? If not, here is the scoop for you. Actually, the league was created here 87 years ago.
Ok. I had no idea waht RDS was, and I heard several mention it.

As for the rest.........I'm not sure I grasp your point. Its fine by me that the Habs have won 24 stanley cups.

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Ok. I had no idea waht RDS was, and I heard several mention it.

As for the rest.........I'm not sure I grasp your point. Its fine by me that the Habs have won 24 stanley cups.
There was no point. That was ego going out of its way.

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There was no point. That was ego going out of its way.
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Great game by the Habs. I said it already, but I thought they outplayed us tonight. Our Defense just didn't show up. Good game and good night :p

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Great game by the Habs. I said it already, but I thought they outplayed us tonight. Our Defense just didn't show up. Good game and good night :p
Yep, good night to you too. I know i'm going to sleep well.

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To the Preds fans here:

Who are your play-by-play guys on Fox Sports? They are god-awful and hands down the worst I've heard this season. Absolutely no insight at all.

Because the Habs are covered by RDS and I don't speak French, I always get to see the opposing teams play-by-play guys so I 've seen many over the last couple of years. I though the guys for the B's were bad, but these two bozos take the cake. That color guy couldn't even speak proper English.

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My bad, I thought he was there under Vigneault also. Wasn't he? Anyways, it's 2 too much

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You must hate the guy and it shows. Ribeiro has done good things 5 on 5 all year long. Hes our leading scorer for gods sakes!!
Well a conservative and more moderate way to look at Ribs right now would be to say he probably didn't max out on his potential yet at 23yo, and he has undeniable (and amazing) playmaking skills which makes him a threat when he has some open ice.

However, Ribeiro isn't fast nor strong enough physically to be the same kind of threat Koivu can be 5 on 5. If Ribeiro was able to bulk up (lower body mostly) and increase his speed and quickness over the summer, he could become a definite threat (PP AND 5 on 5). And when I say definite, I mean 80pts man.


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Great game guys glad we at least got a point. Souray was great tonight. Hopfully we'll See you in the Cup finals

Good luck and god bless
Thanks for this classy way of losing. Sure shows you're not a Bruins fan.

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Well a conservative and more moderated way to look at Ribs right now would be to say he probably didn't max out on his potential yet at 23yo, and he has undeniable (and amazing) playmaking skills which makes him a threat when he has some open ice.

However, Ribeiro isn't as fast nor strong physically to be the same kind of threat Koivu can be 5 on 5. If Ribeiro was able to bulk up (lower body mostly) and increase his speed and quickness over the summer, he could become a definite threat (PP AND 5 on 5). And when I say definite, I mean 80pts man.
Yep but Ribs has show constant improvement in the last three years and is on a pace to get around 50 points this year. If he continues to improve like he did, and I'm convinced we have not seen his top potential yet, he could very well be a 80 points man in 2-3 years... and he's only 23! I've said it before and he's starting to make me right, I think that we have found a poor man's Oates, at the very least!

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However, Ribeiro isn't fast nor strong enough physically to be the same kind of threat Koivu can be 5 on 5.
Or 4 on 4, or 4 on 5, or 3 on 5. Koivu is an all-around player. Ribeiro is a specialist.

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Standing ... still standing. I won't deny that Ribeiro has made improvements this year, and that's good to see. But let's call a spade a spade and not make Ribeiro out to be a superstar after one game against a crappy defence with all points coming on the power play. He has, after tonight, an electrifying 60 points in 148 NHL games and 23 points of those have come in 32 games this season. Hardly remarkable, and don't give me the tired and often-played "If he had better and bigger linemates" song. I find the guy still to be highly streaky and a marginal 5-on-5 player, especially against better teams. When he can do all the great things that Ribeiro supporters claim he can on a consistent basis, at 5-on-5, and against the best teams, I will gladly sit down.
Good post! Agreed entirely.

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You gotta admit that he's playing great hockey these days. Against the Booins, he created space for himself it was sick. And tonight...What else to say?
Ribeiro still makes far too many errors down low and in the neutral zone. He was exposed a number of occasions down low, and he still reverts back to his pretty little plays in the neutral and defensive zones with the puck. Those need to be removed from his game entirely.

Example tonight: Ribeiro had control of the puck in his own zone after spending 35-40secs there, Nash. defenseman was standing him up at the blueline, Ribeiro makes a fancy little move in pushing the puck past the defenseman towards center ice while Ribeiro skated around the defenseman on the other side. All the Nash defenseman needed to do was put his stick out, and play the puck. He managed to keep the puck in the offensive zone while Ribeiro was off at center ice....

Result? The Habs spent another 40 seconds in their own zone, while the Preds picked up another scoring chance.


I don't want to take anything away from Ribeiro. I've liked his progression a lot this season. I've always felt he was in the same mold of a Scott Gomez and Brad Richards, but didn't seem to have the dedication to rounding out his game that those two have. I'm still not sold he has that kind of dedication, or that he will become a legitimate scoring line center on a quality franchise. But Ribeiro has been improving his game and he's not nearly the defensive liability he was a year ago.

Ribeiro has also managed to improve his offensive game. He's able to hold on to the puck for longer and actually make plays at higher speeds. It used to be that he'd go to the corner, and try a fancy little pass or deke, and they'd work 25% of the time. Now he'll use his reach to hold on to the puck rather than relying strictly upon his creativity and hot-dogging dekes, and will go into danger areas more often.

What I have a problem with is when people claim that Ribeiro is even in Koivu's league with regards to offense. He's not. Koivu brings it every shift. His line was phenominal tonight, and had a scoring chance virtually every shift they were out there. On the other hand, Ribeiro was still outplayed five on five more often than not. He had a great game, and he's bringing it more on a consistent basis, but for all his flash he doesn't bring it on a shift by shift basis. Every five shifts he'll get a great scoring chance.

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12-18-2003, 08:32 PM
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Standing ... still standing. I won't deny that Ribeiro has made improvements this year, and that's good to see. But let's call a spade a spade and not make Ribeiro out to be a superstar after one game against a crappy defence with all points coming on the power play. He has, after tonight, an electrifying 60 points in 148 NHL games and 23 points of those have come in 32 games this season. Hardly remarkable, and don't give me the tired and often-played "If he had better and bigger linemates" song.

yes , at 22-23 years old a guy with skill have done a lot more points , playing with players like Blouin, Lindsey and Dwyer ; but Ribiero only got 37 pts in 116 games with those stars ....

I find the guy still to be highly streaky and a marginal 5-on-5 player, especially against better teams. When he can do all the great things that Ribeiro supporters claim he can on a consistent basis, at 5-on-5, and against the best teams, I will gladly sit down.
i don't think Ribiero is going to be a superstar one day , but what a narrow-mind you have to destroyed all the merit he deserve ...hum , really cheap !

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Ribeiro carrer will probaly look alot like Valeri Bure .... in term of production i mean .

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i don't think Ribiero is going to be a superstar one day , but what a narrow-mind you have to destroyed all the merit he deserve ...hum , really cheap !
Cry me a river. How did I strip him of all the merit he deserves and take cheapshots at him? Did I not point out that he has made improvements this season, and that it is good to see? I'll repeat it again if you think quantity helps. Yes, he has made improvements. I think he has shown more of a commitment this year, and it has shown in his play. But let's face facts: he is still weak down low, he stills trys these fancy little plays that just don't work outside of lesser leagues where he's excelled (and contrary to some posters' views that this shows his leadership in trying all these things to help his team offensively, I personally think it shows a bit of selfishness and immaturity, and leads to chances by the opponent when he fails to execute what was in that creative little noggin of his), and he is still woefully inconsistent (even this season, he disappeared for nearly a dozen games after he got off to a quick start). So, at the risk of being labelled "cheap" by you once again, I will say that there is absolutely no way in hell he is as great as a lot of people on this board make him out to be. If you need some specifics, check out Mike8's post earlier on this thread - it's excellent. While you're at it, maybe you should go back to my first post and see the context in which it was written. I decided to write it not to take shots at Ribeiro, but because I invariably see a poster come out from his tucked-away Ribeiro shrine to point out some dazzling goal or multipoint game by His Excellency. Notice how those posts do not appear consistently, due to Ribeiro's own lack of consistency in producing.

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Cry me a river. How did I strip him of all the merit he deserves and take cheapshots at him? Did I not point out that he has made improvements this season, and that it is good to see? I'll repeat it again if you think quantity helps. Yes, he has made improvements. I think he has shown more of a commitment this year, and it has shown in his play. But let's face facts: he is still weak down low,

I decided to write it not to take shots at Ribeiro, but because I invariably see a poster come out from his tucked-away Ribeiro shrine to point out some dazzling goal or multipoint game by His Excellency. Notice how those posts do not appear consistently, due to Ribeiro's own lack of consistency in producing.
ok ,so you found that His Excellency ,who had 4 points in this game didn't deserve to receive some credit by those annoying fans , so you decided to pointed out the small merit of his all career.... modestly and humbly....

He has, after tonight, an electrifying 60 points in 148 NHL games and 23 points of those have come in 32 games this season. Hardly remarkable, and don't give me the tired and often-played "If he had better and bigger linemates" song.

it's not a cheapshot to wrote that ( in red ) , considering that he was playing with 4 th line goon players before this year ? i am really sorry and i apologyse for my mistake ,,,

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Cry me a river. How did I strip him of all the merit he deserves and take cheapshots at him? Did I not point out that he has made improvements this season, and that it is good to see? I'll repeat it again if you think quantity helps. Yes, he has made improvements. I think he has shown more of a commitment this year, and it has shown in his play. But let's face facts: he is still weak down low, he stills trys these fancy little plays that just don't work outside of lesser leagues where he's excelled (and contrary to some posters' views that this shows his leadership in trying all these things to help his team offensively, I personally think it shows a bit of selfishness and immaturity, and leads to chances by the opponent when he fails to execute what was in that creative little noggin of his), and he is still woefully inconsistent (even this season, he disappeared for nearly a dozen games after he got off to a quick start). So, at the risk of being labelled "cheap" by you once again, I will say that there is absolutely no way in hell he is as great as a lot of people on this board make him out to be. If you need some specifics, check out Mike8's post earlier on this thread - it's excellent. While you're at it, maybe you should go back to my first post and see the context in which it was written. I decided to write it not to take shots at Ribeiro, but because I invariably see a poster come out from his tucked-away Ribeiro shrine to point out some dazzling goal or multipoint game by His Excellency. Notice how those posts do not appear consistently, due to Ribeiro's own lack of consistency in producing.
i dont think people in here are hyping ribeiro to superstar level(sum do)but there more hyped at how much hockey sence he has and his potential, no one knows what type of player he'll turn out to be, and please dont label him," lack of consistency in producing " you say ? i dont think so he's doing alote for a team thats been offensivly challenged so far this year, and his vision on the ice is getting better and better at nhl level, will he be a star ? you dont know and i dont know, all i know is he HAS potential to be one, you cant say other wise. as for all the other stuff you bashed him on i guess you dont believe that hockey players can improve there game in diferent aspects. well i do and so do alote of other people. i hope he continues to learn, addapt and display his hockey sence in HIS first full nhl season, wich is this season 2003-2004, so if your telling us that hes "selfish" "inconsistent" "immature" and his creativity "leads to chances by the opponent when he fails to execute what was in that creative little noggin of his", well my freind its the first time he's playing a full season this year so he has a right to make mistakes, thats how a player in his first real nhl season learns to play, by making mistakes. and thats why i think he will improve he's going for it he's seeing what works for him, and our coach wants him to, if it waz up to you his career would be over right now. so i hope the french media and people like you give him a break.

 
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Exciting game to listen to while at work. Back and forth. Nashville should have won, the last few weeks their PK was on fire, but damn gave up a lot of goals on the PK tonight :mad:

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Who are your play-by-play guys on Fox Sports? They are god-awful and hands down the worst I've heard this season. Absolutely no insight at all.

Because the Habs are covered by RDS and I don't speak French, I always get to see the opposing teams play-by-play guys so I 've seen many over the last couple of years. I though the guys for the B's were bad, but these two bozos take the cake. That color guy couldn't even speak proper English.

That was good ol Terry Crisp, and I don't know who the other guy was.
On a side note, they were still better than Greg Millen, and numb nuts, on SportsNet.

Have you watched a game on Center Ice, when these two gomers are doing the play by play? It's pathetic, I'd rank it below the FOX telecast.

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That was good ol Terry Crisp, and I don't know who the other guy was.
On a side note, they were still better than Greg Millen, and numb nuts, on SportsNet.

Have you watched a game on Center Ice, when these two gomers are doing the play by play? It's pathetic, I'd rank it below the FOX telecast.
I agree Center Ice guys are really bad , when 10 game are played the same night they need to make some boring guys workmaybe

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I agree Center Ice guys are really bad , when 10 game are played the same night they need to make some boring guys workmaybe
granted indeed all those guyz mentioned are horrid especially the sports net ones(just awfull(millen and crew) but who do you guyz think are the best comentators???

 
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I'm gonna get flamed on this but I love Pierre Mcguire. He says what he thinks and doesn't hold back on players for putting in a poor effort. I enjoy his honesty and his willingness to single out a player for a bonehead move.

The other color guy that is top notch is JD, he's extremely knowledgable. Rangers games are a treat to watch when we get to listen to him.

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You probably mean Klesla of the Jackets.
sorry I went to 2 games that week and got them mixed up

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Who are your play-by-play guys on Fox Sports? They are god-awful and hands down the worst I've heard this season. Absolutely no insight at all.

Because the Habs are covered by RDS and I don't speak French, I always get to see the opposing teams play-by-play guys so I 've seen many over the last couple of years. I though the guys for the B's were bad, but these two bozos take the cake. That color guy couldn't even speak proper English.
Haha our commentators are terry crisp and pete weber. I like them. You said one of them didn't speak proper english you probably meant crispy...your fellow Canadian I do think they're a sight better than some of the commentators I've heard on espn/espn2. Then again, those and our nashville ones are the only ones I've heard (ah the seclusion of the southern US).

No need for us to whine about the goal we had taken away. I think hall deserved it, but we're still lucky we even got a point. 4/5 for the habs on PP?!? Our defense was the worst I've seen all season! Anyway, good game and congrats to souray on the hat trick.

Wish us luck saturday...we'll need it...detriot@nashville. I'll be there!!

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granted indeed all those guyz mentioned are horrid especially the sports net ones(just awfull(millen and crew) but who do you guyz think are the best comentators???
Miller and McGuire. No one breaks the game down like Pierre does. He sees stuff that most people just don't see. I also think his outbursts are funny. He watches the game like a fan does. I can't count the number of times we've said, "Oh man, that was brutal" or "What was he thinking?" at about the same time. You never see Cole and Neal do stuff like that. All they do is cheer for their Leafs. The only guy I like on HNIC is Hrudy. He's been surprisingly good, and he's funny. Don't even get me started on Cherry and his lapdog Maclean.


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