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04-22-2007, 03:22 AM
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[SUI] Team Switzerland World Championship

TEAM SWITZERLAND

Keepers
- Daniel MANZATO (Basel/NLA)
- David AEBISCHER (Montréal/NHL)
- Jonas HILLER (Davos/NLA)

Defenders
- Goran BEZINA (Genève/NLA)
- Severin BLINDENBACHER (Zürich/NLA)
- Beat FORSTER (Zürich/NLA)
- Beat GERBER (Bern/NLA)
- Steve HIRSCHI (Lugano/NLA)
- Martin STEINEGGER (Bern/NLA)
- Mark STREIT (Montréal/NHL)
- Julien VAUCLAIR (Lugano/NLA)

Offenders
- Andres AMBÜHL (Davos/NLA)
- Duri CAMICHEL (Zug/NLA)
- Patric DELLA ROSSA (Basel/NLA)
- Paul DI PIETRO (Zug/NLA)
- Sandy JEANNIN (Lugano/NLA)
- Romano LEMM (Kloten/NLA)
- Thibaut MONNET (Fribourg/NLA)
- Thierry PATERLINI (Zürich/NLA)
- Marc REICHERT (Bern/NLA)
- Ivo RÜTHEMANN (Bern/NLA)
- Raffaele SANNITZ (Lugano/NLA)
- Julien SPRUNGER (Fribourg/NLA)
- Adrian WICHSER (Zürich/NLA)
- Valentin WIRZ (Lugano/NLA)


Switzerland will go in Moscow without several very important players, for diverse reasons (injuries, still playing, not motivated, in conflict with the coach Ralph Krüeger [this is the first reason]): Patrick FISCHER (Phoenix/NHL), Martin GERBER (Ottawa/NHL), Martin PLÜSS (Frölunda/Elitserien), Reto VON ARX (Davos/NLA), Michel RIESEN (Davos/NLA,top goal scorer NLA 06-07!), Patrik BÄRTSCHI (Bern/NLA), Tobias STEPHAN (Iowa/AHL), Thomas ZIEGLER (Bern/NLA), Timo HELBLING (Hershey/AHL), Mathias SEGER (Zürich/NLA), Marcel JENNI (Kloten/NLA), Tim RAMHOLT (Omaha/AHL), Olivier KELLER (Genève/NLA) and of course Reto PAVONI (Krefeld/DEL), our hero in Russia, in 2000 ;-)

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Wow... no kidding your hurting without those players. What is their issue with the coach?

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04-22-2007, 11:01 PM
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Basically it's unprofessional and childish by both the players (Michel Riesen, Reto von Arx) and the National coach. It would be a lie to say that it's just the coach's fault, as most readers of the popular newspaper Blick are made to believe. It's just plain stupidity and kindergarten behaviour by those three plus most of the HC Davos (notable exceptions being Jonas Hiller and Andres Ambühl).

Reto Pavoni isn't as good as most NLA goalies anymore. Bykov-K. is just pulling your leg with that one.

Mathias Seger didn't have a good regular season and the bad play by his whole team hasn't helped him either.

Thomas Ziegler, Marco Bührer (who was actually invited, but Bykov-K. always tends to forget the best goaltender of the NLA...) and Patrick Fischer all have injuries.

Olivier Keller announced that he wouldn't play for the National team anymore after reaching the 6. place in the Olympics, because, he said, there couldn't be a better moment for a player in his age to step down.

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04-23-2007, 01:35 AM
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The most disappointed absence is Martin Pluss.

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04-23-2007, 02:49 AM
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Nice to see Julien Sprünger on that team.

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04-23-2007, 04:52 AM
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TEAM SWITZERLAND

Keepers
- Daniel MANZATO (Basel/NLA)
- David AEBISCHER (Montréal/NHL)
- Jonas HILLER (Davos/NLA)

Defenders
- Goran BEZINA (Genève/NLA)
- Severin BLINDENBACHER (Zürich/NLA)
- Beat FORSTER (Zürich/NLA)
- Beat GERBER (Bern/NLA)
- Steve HIRSCHI (Lugano/NLA)
- Martin STEINEGGER (Bern/NLA)
- Mark STREIT (Montréal/NHL)
- Julien VAUCLAIR (Lugano/NLA)

Offenders
- Andres AMBÜHL (Davos/NLA)
- Duri CAMICHEL (Zug/NLA)
- Patric DELLA ROSSA (Basel/NLA)
- Paul DI PIETRO (Zug/NLA)
- Sandy JEANNIN (Lugano/NLA)
- Romano LEMM (Kloten/NLA)
- Thibaut MONNET (Fribourg/NLA)
- Thierry PATERLINI (Zürich/NLA)
- Marc REICHERT (Bern/NLA)
- Ivo RÜTHEMANN (Bern/NLA)
- Raffaele SANNITZ (Lugano/NLA)
- Julien SPRUNGER (Fribourg/NLA)
- Adrian WICHSER (Zürich/NLA)
- Valentin WIRZ (Lugano/NLA)


Switzerland will go in Moscow without several very important players, for diverse reasons (injuries, still playing, not motivated, in conflict with the coach Ralph Krüeger [this is the first reason]): Patrick FISCHER (Phoenix/NHL), Martin GERBER (Ottawa/NHL), Martin PLÜSS (Frölunda/Elitserien), Reto VON ARX (Davos/NLA), Michel RIESEN (Davos/NLA,top goal scorer NLA 06-07!), Patrik BÄRTSCHI (Bern/NLA), Tobias STEPHAN (Iowa/AHL), Thomas ZIEGLER (Bern/NLA), Timo HELBLING (Hershey/AHL), Mathias SEGER (Zürich/NLA), Marcel JENNI (Kloten/NLA), Tim RAMHOLT (Omaha/AHL), Olivier KELLER (Genève/NLA) and of course Reto PAVONI (Krefeld/DEL), our hero in Russia, in 2000 ;-)

Ramholt, Helbling, Stefan, Keller and Pavoni are not that good to begin with. Seger had a poor season, he wouldn't be an upgrade over the current defense, and Riesen doesn't do much else than scoring, something he probably wouldn't be able to do at the international level. Ziegler is good, but with Paterlini, Ambühl, Sannitz and Reichert on the team, there's no lack of physical defensive forwards.

All and all, Fischer, Von Arx, Plüss and Bärtschi are the only big loss from the player you listed, but I think Krüger did the best he could regarding the forwards. Nice to see some offensive players getting a chance, instead of a Déruns like last year, although I think guys like Guggisberg, Nüssli or Christen should have been considered above Wirz, who had an average season.

The defense worries me a little more. Streit, Vauclair and Hirschi are the only guys I'm really confortable with (and Blindenbacher as PP specialist, although Von Gunten should have gotten more consideration). Forster is not good at anything, how he get called over and over again is really beyond me, Steinegger is not half the player he was, Gerber doesn't make as many mistakes as Forster, but isn't really good at anything, and Bezina couldn't skate if his life depended on it (even at the swiss league level), seeing him trying to stop those slovakian wingers coming at full speed is always a frightening vision. I think Jobin (whom I consider Bern's best swiss defenseman, I would like to have some SCB fans' opinion about this), Fischer (played a great season for Rapperswil, I was disapponted to see him cut), Von Gunten, and maybe Gianola and Blatter should have gotten some consideration.

Regarding the goalies, I'm disappointed with Bührer staying home, I think he should have shared the job with Hiller. Both had great playoffs.


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I think guys like Guggisberg, Nüssli or Christen should have been considered above Wirz, who had an average season.

Besides, these 3 players smoke or drink less in a year than Wirz in just one night. Perhaps just a doubt about Guggy, but i would like see Guggy in the roster...

About Bezina, you exagerate a little.

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Besides, these 3 players smoke or drink less in a year than Wirz in just one night. Perhaps just a doubt about Guggy, but i would like see Guggy in the roster...
Well, I wouldn't challenge Guggy to a drinking or smoking contest

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About Bezina, you exagerate a little.
Ok, let's say that with his life on the line, he might be able to outskate an ECHL goon. Still a close call

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Let's say he doesn't have the outstanding Guggisberg's skating.

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For Reto Pavoni, I was just kidding, don't worry


Actually, I just gave a list of good swiss players who will not participate to the world championship. Some of them for injuries, problems with the coach or whatever

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this team doesn't look that bad to me. and i can't believe paul dipetro is still around. i remember him playing here in kassel 97/98 and he was awesome. nice to see that he's still playing high level hockey.

and there are only 3 players i don't know, that's i sign that my swiss hockey knowledge is on the rise!

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DiPietro played a great season being the only Swiss in the list of the Top-5 scorers in the NLA.

Forster is a very special guy. He doesn't play good in the NLA, often makes mistakes (although this season wasn't that bad) but when it comes to the national team he is simply another player. He always was very solid at WC, sometimes even great. I see no reason why Krüger should say no to him especially if you look at the past and we know that Krüger is a person that looks very hard to past experiences.

Gianola? If you talk about the weakness of Bezina regarding skating, Gianola is not even half as fast as Bezina. Gianola is a very solid defender for the NLA, but not more.
I like Jobin very much, always liked him, he is a very intelligent player, together with Furrer (who is always injured) the best SC Bern-defender, but I also think that he lacks a little bit of international potential, he's just too small and has not enough weight. But I still would have liked to see him.

Von Gunten needs another season on NLA-level, then he's ready.

Regarding Nüssli, if he is improving another time like this year he'll be part of the team next year.

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Well, can't agree about Forster, he makes many bad passes and his positionning is weak.

I guess you're right regarding Nüssli, it always take time for offensive players to get a chance with Krüger (see Monnet or Wichser).

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and there are only 3 players i don't know, that's i sign that my swiss hockey knowledge is on the rise!
No, that's a sign Krüger calls the same players over and over again

Are those three Gerber, Camichel and Monnet ?

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No, that's a sign Krüger calls the same players over and over again


thanks for destroying my hopes of gaining more knowledge.

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yes, these three are unknown to me, although i'm not sure of gerber. i think i remember his name, but i don't know anything about him.

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No, that's a sign Krüger calls the same players over and over again



Jobin and Söderholm were the first defensive unit of the SCB and Jobin also scored a few important goals from the blue line. But he's not very tall. Personally, I think he would have done well in a pairing with one of the bigger defencemen, it would have been good if he at least had gotten the option to play in one of the friendlies to show what he could have produced on an international level. I suppose Krueger simply didn't even remember him..


It is true that not all the most talented Swiss players are in the national team, though I can also understand Krueger's philosophy. The talented players are not that great that they could turn around the game on their own, and as long as that's the case, it's better to concentrate on putting together a good team.

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For Reto Pavoni, I was just kidding, don't worry
I thought as much, but I thought I should warn those who don't know Swiss hockey very much.


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Jobin and Söderholm were the first defensive unit of the SCB and Jobin also scored a few important goals from the blue line. But he's not very tall. Personally, I think he would have done well in a pairing with one of the bigger defencemen, it would have been good if he at least had gotten the option to play in one of the friendlies to show what he could have produced on an international level. I suppose Krueger simply didn't even remember him..


It is true that not all the most talented Swiss players are in the national team, though I can also understand Krueger's philosophy. The talented players are not that great that they could turn around the game on their own, and as long as that's the case, it's better to concentrate on putting together a good team.
Well, Krueger said he didn't care about the 20 best swiss players, he wants the 20 swiss players forming the best team. Can't see anything wrong with that, but still, I find this obsession with defensive minded players a little boring. So many of them like Raffainer or Trachsler got a chance, while guys like Christen, Guggisberg or Reuille don't even get a call for a single exhibition game.

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I agree: Too many defensive players.

I just wouldn't call Raffainer a defensive player. I saw him in the playoffs, and he produced a lot offensively and had lots of drive towards the goal.

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Maybe at the club level, but the only reason Krueger called him is to use him as a forechecker. His offense is not good enough at this level.

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Hirschi is one of the two players who won't play in the first round (Paterlini is the other one). This time I just don't get it

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Paterlini had a concussion and only started normal training one day before the first game. The reason Krueger gives for leaving out Hirschi is that that player can be used in many different positions in the formation and is an ideal joker for later games.

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