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05-05-2007, 10:11 AM
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Mr. Invisible - Petr Prucha

So, does he show up for a game this playoffs?

He's done zero for the team, 1 assist in 9 games? He's had plenty of time with Jagr on the PP as well (not recently though thankfully).

Cullen and Callahan are doing good out there and Prucha is just bringing the line down.

If there is one glaring thing i've noticed with Prucha over his 2 years is that he has a horrible confidence problem. When he doesn't have confidence he doesn't do anything...and it takes him awhile to get it back.


Sure we all love him..but fact is he hasn't helped the team in the playoffs.

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05-05-2007, 10:15 AM
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That whole line hasn't been very good in this series. Prucha hasn't helped, but Cullen and Callahan haven't been pulling their weight either. I'll give Cullen a break since he's been excellent on the PK, but that whole line has played like a 4th line, not a third.

Our biggest problem this series is that we are only getting goals from our big guns, and only on the PP for the most part.

More scoring depth is something that will need to be addressed this summer, regardless of the outcome of these playoffs.

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I think he's played well in every way except being able to score which he's been terrible at. However, he's been throwing a lot of hits, creating a lot of turnovers, making some really good defensive plays, and setting up a few good plays. However, he did have a couple scoring chances last night and he couldn't do anything.

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05-05-2007, 10:18 AM
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maybe he needs to be scratched like Max was for Buff, He's probably just getting used to the intensity, IDK, he's had plenty of time to addjust thou, and he was injured towards the end of last season, so who knows.

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He's been alright overall, but he can't seem to hit the net if his life depended on it. He also has no patience, shooting it way too quick and not aiming. He really needs to work on his accuracy during the off-season

Not sure about the confidence issue. I think he's just undersized and may be intimidated by the other players because of that

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Prucha's play (despite the lack of points) has been the least of the Rangers problems. You want some true Mr. Invisibles? Look no further than Hossa (not the same as that wonderfull 10 game stretch, not even close) and Isbister (utterly invisible unless playing with Nylander & Jagr).

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Prucha's play (despite the lack of points) has been the least of the Rangers problems. You want some true Mr. Invisibles? Look no further than Hossa (not the same as that wonderfull 10 game stretch, not even close) and Isbister (utterly invisible unless playing with Nylander & Jagr).
Hossa and Isbister have been just as bad this series...but im including the 1st round as well..where Prucha didn't do anything in that either.

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05-05-2007, 10:28 AM
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Prucha hasn't been spectacular but it must be hard to play with Cullen or Betts, because neither of them ever pass the puck.

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That whole line hasn't been very good in this series. Prucha hasn't helped, but Cullen and Callahan haven't been pulling their weight either. I'll give Cullen a break since he's been excellent on the PK, but that whole line has played like a 4th line, not a third.
Perspective from the other side: Cullen - Callahan have been scaring the crap out of this Sabres fan all series long. Prucha, not at all.

Agreed on Isbister -- I didn't even realize he was a Ranger until midway through the 2nd last night.

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Oh and if you wanna look at it another way:
Goals in this series:
Jagr 2
Shanny 2 (1 in gm 1 after it was out of reach)
Straka 2
Mara 1
Rosy 1
Hossa 1

I mean yes, Cullen (2 PP assists), Nylander, Malik, Rachunek, also got assists and just about all the goal scorers got assists.

So that means Avery 0 points, Isbister 0 points, Betts 0 points, Ortmeyer 0 points, Prucha 0 points, Callahan 0 points.

Tough when you have 3 forwards scoring all of your goals and only 5 forwards who have points. Everyone outside Nylander, Jagr, Straka, Shanny, Cullen have been pretty much invisible. Kind of reminds you of earlier in the year.

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Oh and if you wanna look at it another way:
Goals in this series:
Jagr 2
Shanny 2 (1 in gm 1 after it was out of reach)
Straka 2
Mara 1
Rosy 1
Hossa 1

I mean yes, Cullen, Malik, Rachunek, also got assists and just about all the goal scorers got assists.

So that means Avery 0 points, Isbister 0 points, Betts 0 points, Ortmeyer 0 points, Prucha 0 points, Callahan 0 points.

Tough when you have 3 forwards scoring all of your goals. Everyone outside Nylander, Jagr, Straka, Shanny have been pretty much invisible. Kind of reminds you of earlier in the year.
Again, i'm talking about the entire playoffs..not just this round.

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05-05-2007, 11:06 AM
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Well Prucha has had one good offensive play for the whole playoffs when he stole the puck and took that flutter shot that Nylander scored on. Other than that offensively he's been useless. He has setup a few good plays though which weren't capitalized on. He has been great defensively, however, so at least he hasn't been a liability on our side of the ice.

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Avery hasn't been nearly as effective as he was against Atlanta. Not that he's playing bad, but the agitator factor has been little factor in this series.

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Hossa and Isbister have been just as bad this series...but im including the 1st round as well..where Prucha didn't do anything in that either.
I rather like the way Hossa's played this series. He's been getting his chances, fighting on the boards and playing pretty smart hockey.
(I think it was him yesterday who drew a penalty on Kotalik, recognized it was a forward back on D, made a play, got his team a PP)

Yeah, he's not been potting goals on a string, but (off the top of my head, don't feel like checking now) I think only 5 forwards in the series have more than 1 goal (Jagr, Shanahan, Straka and Kotalik and Vanek for Buffalo).

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I rather like the way Hossa's played this series. He's been getting his chances, fighting on the boards and playing pretty smart hockey.
(I think it was him yesterday who drew a penalty on Kotalik, recognized it was a forward back on D, made a play, got his team a PP)

Yeah, he's not been potting goals on a string, but (off the top of my head, don't feel like checking now) I think only 5 forwards in the series have more than 1 goal (Jagr, Shanahan, Straka and Kotalik and Vanek for Buffalo).
Yea, I guess Hossa hasn't been that bad, hes been average...but before he got hurt he was very effective with Jagr and was much more noticeable.

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So, does he show up for a game this playoffs?

He's done zero for the team, 1 assist in 9 games? He's had plenty of time with Jagr on the PP as well (not recently though thankfully).

Cullen and Callahan are doing good out there and Prucha is just bringing the line down.

If there is one glaring thing i've noticed with Prucha over his 2 years is that he has a horrible confidence problem. When he doesn't have confidence he doesn't do anything...and it takes him awhile to get it back.


Sure we all love him..but fact is he hasn't helped the team in the playoffs.
Prucha is playing because his game is creating offense. He doesn't kill penalties ,he is not a face-off specialist or a shutdown forward. 1 assist in 9 games has made Prucha a non-factor for the Rangers, and a complete afterthought to the Sabres. Petr goes where his confidence takes him.We need him and IMO he hasn't come close to delivering.

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That whole line hasn't been very good in this series. Prucha hasn't helped, but Cullen and Callahan haven't been pulling their weight either. I'll give Cullen a break since he's been excellent on the PK, but that whole line has played like a 4th line, not a third.
I totally disagree. That line has easily been the Rangers 2nd best line, and in my opinion have been very nearly as good as the Jagr line. Their speed is insane, and the tenacity they show on the forecheck is very refreshing.

If Ryan Miller wasn't consistently standing on his head, I have a feeling this thread would not exist. Sure this line hasn't been scoring, but honestly the others haven't been either. In a series with goaltending like this, I judge a line's effectiveness by chances and puck control, and the Cullen line (including Prucha) has been nothing short of great.

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That whole line hasn't been very good in this series. Prucha hasn't helped, but Cullen and Callahan haven't been pulling their weight either. I'll give Cullen a break since he's been excellent on the PK, but that whole line has played like a 4th line, not a third.

Our biggest problem this series is that we are only getting goals from our big guns, and only on the PP for the most part.

More scoring depth is something that will need to be addressed this summer, regardless of the outcome of these playoffs.
What? that line has been arguably the best line for our team this playoff. Especially in Game 2.

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I still think that line has been the best line for this team so far against Buffalo. I don't think, chemistry wise, it is the best line for Prucha, because he needs a play maker on his line. But it has been buzzing all series long.

But I will say this. I am as big of a Prucha fan as the next guy. I got his Jersey right when he made the team last year out of camp. But he is entering his most important training camp of his career. He NEEDS to get stronger, and he needs to remember why he was so sucessful his first year. He has to start getting his shot off quicker, he has to stop taking crazy windups at the puck and missing and he has to work on his puck control. He has guys around him on this team that can help him in each area. He has the skill set to be a constant 30 goal scorer, but he has a lot of work to do this off season.

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Prucha has become a 'goal scorer' who can't hit the side of a barn with his shot. Callahan has already leapfrogged over him and plays a similar style.

While trading Prucha could end up being a minor burn I have no problem moving him in the right deal, perhaps packaged with Montoya.

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imho pruchas been as good as the other 2. hes had his chances, hes not burying them. as long as a player is getting chances, thats all i ask for. sometimes it goes in. sometimes it doesnt.

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My money says Sean Avery is Mr. Invisible ... if only because his mouth wrote so many checks his body cannot cash ...

Shanny is a close second ... he does his odd talking AFTER games, as opposed to Avery who shoots earlier.

Mr. VISIBLES? Easy ... rosie and lundy ... no shockers, i guess ...

Remember, though ... we're rope-a-doping in this series ... sacrificing offense for clogged neutral zones and five man defenses ... rolling the dice and hoping that 4 one goal games go our way ...

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Prucha has become a 'goal scorer' who can't hit the side of a barn with his shot. Callahan has already leapfrogged over him and plays a similar style.

While trading Prucha could end up being a minor burn I have no problem moving him in the right deal, perhaps packaged with Montoya.
I liked the Nathan Horton for Prucha -Montoya rumor for awhile. It looks like IF Florida was at one point interested, they are not now..

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My money says Sean Avery is Mr. Invisible ... if only because his mouth wrote so many checks his body cannot cash ...

Shanny is a close second ... he does his odd talking AFTER games, as opposed to Avery who shoots earlier.

Mr. VISIBLES? Easy ... rosie and lundy ... no shockers, i guess ...

Remember, though ... we're rope-a-doping in this series ... sacrificing offense for clogged neutral zones and five man defenses ... rolling the dice and hoping that 4 one goal games go our way ...
Exactly..A style like this will make a lot of guys seem invisible. But the bottom line is, top to bottom this team is playing a very solid all around game.

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He has the skill set to be a constant 30 goal scorer, but he has a lot of work to do this off season.
He was on the same pace to score the same 30 goals this year, if he had just had regular PP time. His play time actually decreased by just over 40 seconds per night, and until the middle of February, he PP time was next to non-existent. Had he been playing the same amount on the PP this year, as he did last year, he would have still had his 30 goals. Play the kid on the top-2 lines, and give him the necessary PP time, and you have your 30 goal/per year, sniping 2nd line winger.

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