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04-13-2007, 08:51 PM
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Best Raw Talent since 1970...(Top-10)

Just for fun, make a top-10 list of best "raw" talent of players since 1970.

1- Mario Lemieux
2- Bobby Orr
3- Wayne Gretzky
4- Eric Lindros
5- Sidney Crosby
6- Pavel Bure
7- Phil Esposito
8- Mike Bossy
9- Guy Lafleur
10- Steve Yzerman


I can forget a lot of name and there is no "perfect" list but I'm curious to know what is your list ?


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How could you forget Kovalev for raw Talent only, ya raw only lol

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12.alexandre daigle

i mean if eric lindros can make that list

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04-13-2007, 08:59 PM
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I did not see orr or gretzky or lafleur. so I was saying lemieuz coz he was just crazy. However, when I saw gretzky's stats I said that is it he is the best. Lots of ppl look at orr and lemieux and say what if, but ppl forget that gretzky was so special but not as spectacular as orr and 66 and this is why there is still a debate.

just look at these
981-1982 Edmonton 80 92 120
1982-1983 Edmonton 80 71 125 196
1983-1984 Edmonton 74 87 118 205
1984-1985 Edmonton 80 73 135 208
1985-1986 Edmonton 80 52 163 215
1986-1987 Edmonton 79 62 121 183


by the way Jagr deserves a place in there ahead of lafontaine. Once again I did not see pat in his prime but JAgr is oozing talent and he played inhis aprime in the 1995-2001 which was a headache for talented players due to the defensive mentality.

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12.alexandre daigle

i mean if eric lindros can make that list
Please, at least Lindros once dominated the league.

Bure is too high IMO... Loved him, was an amazing scorer but there is more than that.

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Just for fun, make a top-10 list of best "raw" talent of players since 1970.

1- Mario Lemieux
2- Bobby Orr
3- Wayne Gretzky
4- Eric Lindros
5- Pavel Bure
6- Phil Esposito
7- Mike Bossy
8- Guy Lafleur
9- Steve Yzerman
10- Pat Lafontaine

I can forget a lot of name and there is no "perfect" list but I'm curious to know what is your list ?
I have big problems with Lindros and Lafleur being in this list. Sakic and Crosby, yeah crosby already, we are talking about talent here, should both be in this list. Lafleur was part of a big machine. Wheres Jagr and Forsberg? Raw talent. Ovechkin is an exceptional player as well. I have a real hard time with talents from the 80's, so much stats boosting in those years it unreal.

1- Wayne Gretzky
2- Bobby Orr
3- Mario Lemieux
4- Jaromir Jagr
5- Pavel Bure
6- Peter Forsberg
7- Joe Sakic
8- Steve Yzerman
9- Sidney Crosby
10- Alexander Ovechkin

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I have big problems with Lindros and Lafleur being in this list. Sakic and Crosby, yeah crosby already, we are talking about talent here, should both be in this list. Lafleur was part of a big machine. Wheres Jagr and Forsberg? Raw talent. Ovechkin is an exceptional player as well. I have a real hard time with talents from the 80's, so much stats boosting in those years it unreal.

1- Wayne Gretzky
2- Bobby Orr
3- Mario Lemieux
4- Jaromir Jagr
5- Pavel Bure
6- Peter Forsberg
7- Joe Sakic
8- Steve Yzerman
9- Sidney Crosby
10- Alexander Ovechkin
Huh? Gretzky was part of a big machine, so was Orr. What are you talking about with Lafleur? All three were big reasons WHY they were part of a big machine. Agreed with Lindros.

Lafleur had loads of raw talent. He didn't lift weights or run; he smoked a couple of packs of cigarettes a day; yet in his prime there wasn't a more talented player in the league with the possible exception of Perreault. Lafleur had a lot more raw talent than Bossy; who quite simply had the best release ever. Bossy was an average skater as best.

Lafleur had more raw talent than Gretzky; lots of players did.

Raw Talent since 1970...i'd say:

1. Orr
2. Lemieux
3. Crosby
4. Kharlamov
5. Bure
6. Lafleur
7. Gretzky
8. Perreault
9. Coffey
9. Lafontaine
10. Jagr

HM - Sakic Reinhart, Leetch, Housely, Yzerman, Makarov, Balderis, Stastny, Messier

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Okay heres my list. Since 1980 though.. I'll try to do forwards only.

1- Mario Lemieux- There is no question about it, he's number 1.
2- Jaromir Jagr
3- Pavel Bure- holy moly could this guy fly
4- Peter Forsberg- amazing at everything really.
5- Kent Nillson- If you watched in the 80-s you would know.
6- Denis Savard- Who could forget those spinoramas?
7- Alex Kovalev- He's gotta be in there somewhere.
8- Sergei Fedorov- Same as Kovalev.
9- Alex Ovechkin/Ilya Kovalchuk- remind me a lot of each other
10- Pavel Datsyuk

I dont really consider guys like 99, 87, Lindros, Sakic, Yzerman, Bossy as pure talents. There more reliant on vision/goal scoring instincts or in Lindros's case phisicality.

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Crap how did I forget Statstny. He should be in my top 10.

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Depends on what you consider raw talent. By my definition, it's just skill. So I don't think Gretzky should be #1, I would actually pick Lemieux. Gretzky did not have loads of raw talent, he wasn't the fastest, or most agile, far from the strongest, he was just exceptionally smart and understood the game on another level. Lemieux was also very smart, but he could blow passed you with speed or strength, and had amazing hands. That's why I would give it to him.

1. Mario Lemieux
2. Bobby Orr
3. Valeri Kharlamov
4. Denis Savard
5. Peter Forsberg
6. Jaromir Jagr
7. Alex Kovalev
8. Wayne Gretzky
9. Sidney Crosby
10. Steve Yzerman

Rough list, but I tried.

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Huh? Gretzky was part of a big machine, so was Orr. What are you talking about with Lafleur? All three were big reasons WHY they were part of a big machine. Agreed with Lindros.

Lafleur had loads of raw talent. He didn't lift weights or run; he smoked a couple of packs of cigarettes a day; yet in his prime there wasn't a more talented player in the league with the possible exception of Perreault. Lafleur had a lot more raw talent than Bossy; who quite simply had the best release ever. Bossy was an average skater as best.

Lafleur had more raw talent than Gretzky; lots of players did.

Raw Talent since 1970...i'd say:

1. Orr
2. Lemieux
3. Crosby
4. Kharlamov
5. Bure
6. Lafleur
7. Gretzky
8. Perreault
9. Coffey
9. Lafontaine
10. Jagr

HM - Sakic Reinhart, Leetch, Housely, Yzerman, Makarov, Balderis, Stastny, Messier
I agree with these players but what about Yakeshov (sp?) who Bobby Hull called the best right winger he ever played against or what about Bobby Hull himself. And least we forget Serge Savard - for raw talent. I don't know how many people remember or know that when he came up it was Bobby Orr and Serge Savard. They were on the same level when it came to talent and then Savard shattered his leg twice bringing him down from the platform of a hockey god to that of a simple superstar.

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Okay heres my list. Since 1980 though.. I'll try to do forwards only.

1- Mario Lemieux- There is no question about it, he's number 1.
2- Jaromir Jagr
3- Pavel Bure- holy moly could this guy fly
4- Peter Forsberg- amazing at everything really.
5- Kent Nillson- If you watched in the 80-s you would know.
6- Denis Savard- Who could forget those spinoramas?
7- Alex Kovalev- He's gotta be in there somewhere.
8- Sergei Fedorov- Same as Kovalev.
9- Alex Ovechkin/Ilya Kovalchuk- remind me a lot of each other
10- Pavel Datsyuk

I dont really consider guys like 99, 87, Lindros, Sakic, Yzerman, Bossy as pure talents. There more reliant on vision/goal scoring instincts or in Lindros's case phisicality.

No Gretzky ?

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no love for marcel dionne? comon he have to be there in the top 5

lemieux
gretzky
orr
Bourque
Dionne
Bossy
Sakic
Yserman
jagr
crosby

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To Talent Analist I didnt include Gretzky because he just wasnt that talented.

When you watched Gretzky skate you had the impression that he was a minor leaguer. Gretzky wasnt big. He wasnt strong. He didnt have great hands. (soft hands yes but not great at deking) He didnt have a great wrist shot.

He just did it much like Crosby's doing right now. Through sheer determination and vision/hockey sense.

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To Talent Analist I didnt include Gretzky because he just wasnt that talented.

When you watched Gretzky skate you had the impression that he was a minor leaguer. Gretzky wasnt big. He wasnt strong. He didnt have great hands. (soft hands yes but not great at deking) He didnt have a great wrist shot.

He just did it much like Crosby's doing right now. Through sheer determination and vision/hockey sense.
seriously u are a clown

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seriously u are a clown
lol wow...

everything I said is true and you know it.

Check your list. Marcel freakin Dionne on it. Raymond Bourque?

Do you understand what raw talent is?

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To Talent Analist I didnt include Gretzky because he just wasnt that talented.

When you watched Gretzky skate you had the impression that he was a minor leaguer. Gretzky wasnt big. He wasnt strong. He didnt have great hands. (soft hands yes but not great at deking) He didnt have a great wrist shot.

He just did it much like Crosby's doing right now. Through sheer determination and vision/hockey sense.

Seriously, I read this and nearly fell off my chair. I am not going to flame you but you sound like someone who knows nothing about hockey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc32QSzKLKo

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I agree with these players but what about Yakeshov (sp?) who Bobby Hull called the best right winger he ever played against or what about Bobby Hull himself.
Bobby Hull had his prime before 1970 though... I haven't seen enough of Yakushev, but he's up there with Kharlamov and Fetisov for the Soviets.

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Seriously, I read this and nearly fell off my chair. I am not going to flame you but you sound like someone who knows nothing about hockey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc32QSzKLKo
Umm ok? What does that prove?

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that proove that you should go back playing nhl 2k7 and stop the internet

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Gretzky was the smartest player who ever lived but he was not the most talented. Nor was he one of the top 10 most talented in the last 35 years.

Guys like Mario, Bure, Savard, Jagr would school Gretzky in skills competitions. But none (except Mario) were even CLOSE to thinking the way he did.

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Umm ok? What does that prove?
By reading your uneducated post I figured you have never seen the great one play...thought I would point you in the right direction.

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