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04-15-2007, 08:18 AM
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Wash.-Tor.--Proposal

As posted on the leafs board, we heard that you guys were interested in trading your #5 overall pick this year. Just put together a proposal for fun to see what you guys thought of the trade...I dought it woudl happen but just an idea. Enjoy.



To Toronto
# 5 overall pick


To Washington
#13 overall pick
Ian White-D
Matt Stajan-C


Why Washington would consider this?
Washington picks up a young offensive defencemen that could help you guys on the pp. He had 26 points as a #6 defencemen and your guys top defencemen had 28. Along with White, the Caps pick up Stajan and a young steady playmaker. This guy is gritty, will play hard and get into the corners. He will play defensively and give you guys a sound 3rd line center. Now the #13 overall pick. The Caps don't exactly lose alot hear as they still pick up a good pick in the draft. This allows GMGM to not ruin his drafting plans. Sure its not right up there, but if you're picking up White and Stajan also, whats there to worry.



I know this trade works out good for the leafs because they have a large crop of up and coming defencemen and could be willing to part with young NHLers to aquire a top pick, but eventually it comes down to what Washington and GMGM want to do to better themselves for a run at the playoffs and beyond next year. Post your thoughts.

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OMG!!! A Toronto/Caps proposal without Antropov involved!?!

I like Stajan...but I think the Caps are looking for someone that brings a bit more to the table. Either Free Agent or Trade....the Caps are looking for a difference maker at the pivot.

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We have tons and tons and tons of second tier Centers. We don't need another one. We have Backstrom, so what we need is an EXPERIENCED vet center right now that can play on a top 2 line.

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This doesn't address any of our current needs. The last thing we need right now are more 3rd line roleplayers.

I think the 5th will be moved as part of a package to get an experienced vet rather than a quantity of 2nd and 3rd tier players. We have an abundance of those already.

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04-15-2007, 10:35 AM
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There aren't any good players this year on the draft.So, 5th and 13th don't have much more differences.IMHO Toronto wouldn't trade this!

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There aren't any good players this year on the draft.So, 5th and 13th don't have much more differences.IMHO Toronto wouldn't trade this!
Agreed, this isn't really a trade that is all that good for Toronto either.

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Kubina. I think he would be more of an asset to the Caps.

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I'd rather see something built around Wellwood.

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As I mentioned in Toronto's thread on this proposed deal, it doesn't really make sense for either team.

The other one proposed...

Wsh 1st + Clymer

for

Tor 1st + Kubina

...certainly does.

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As I mentioned in Toronto's thread on this proposed deal, it doesn't really make sense for either team.

The other one proposed...

Wsh 1st + Clymer

for

Tor 1st + Kubina

...certainly does.
deal!

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As I mentioned in Toronto's thread on this proposed deal, it doesn't really make sense for either team.

The other one proposed...

Wsh 1st + Clymer

for

Tor 1st + Kubina

...certainly does.
Pass... He's worst than anyone we have on the Caps now as far as coughing up the puck...

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As mentioned this trade doesn't address the Capitals needs. IN general terms the Caps don't need to add young players. They have a pile of them. They certainly don't need a young offensive defenseman as they have Mike Green. What they need is a fully established top pair capable defenseman that can provide a strong presence on the power play.

They also need a fully established, ready to put up the numbers and win games first line center. Stajan is not that.

I am pretty sure the Caps are not entertaining offers of players like that. The Caps have Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, that are very skilled, but young in the top 6 forwards with a couple of AHL level prospects near ready. They have Gordon, Sutherby, Pettinger that are good lower six forward, but that are young. They have 5...count them 5 quality young defensemen on their NHL roster. They have quality and quantity young players.

What they don't have is experience. Kolzig, Clark & Clymer are veterans with playoff experience. Kolzig and Clark are top half of the lineup players that play when it counts. Thats it.

Bring veteran players with a resume to talk trade with the Caps. That is what they are shopping for.

As for Kubina, I would not reject that idea out of hand. Yes, he had a bad season and that happens to good players going to Toronto like it happens to good baseball players showing up with the Yankees.

Kubina was a strong player with Tampa Bay and I would be inclined to think that returned to an atmosphere like that would also return to his level of play. If Kubina were to be the Caps addition for defense first purposes, I would he satisfied. He brings grit and strenth and knowledge of the southeast.

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There aren't any good players this year on the draft.
I think it's safe to say that the chances this statement proves to be accurate are virtually nil.

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As I mentioned in Toronto's thread on this proposed deal, it doesn't really make sense for either team.

The other one proposed...

Wsh 1st + MIKE GREEN

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Tor 1st + Kubina

...certainly does.

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I think that's what they call a deal-breaker.

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I'd want Kaberle more than Kubina.


Though I wouldn't mind picking up Stajan.

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I think that's what they call a deal-breaker.
Yea, second that. There is no chance the Caps trade Green. Eminger I could see.

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I'd want Kaberle more than Kubina.


Though I wouldn't mind picking up Stajan.
Just asking...where would the Caps use Stajan? He doesn't fill the need for a first line center. He is not going to move Gordo off 3rd line. I don't see it.

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I'd want Kaberle more than Kubina.
Problem with Kaberle is the Leafs actually need him, so if a deal were to happen, I think a lot of Capitals would have to be coming back to Toronto.

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Just asking...where would the Caps use Stajan? He doesn't fill the need for a first line center. He is not going to move Gordo off 3rd line. I don't see it.
I think Stajan has more offensive upside than a Laich or a probably a Gordon. While I don't think he is a must have, I like him as a player.

Do the Caps need him? No, certainly not, but if the Leafs are going to throw him away, then I wouldn't be against bringing him in.




Back to the thread, need Kaberle more than Kubina? The Leafs could use all 3 defensemen, but they probably will have to seriously consider moving one. Kaberle would have the most value on the trade market (injury concerns aside). It would cost more, but I'm not sure it'd be outlandish.

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If not for his NMC, Toronto's Bryan McCabe might be perfect as the one guy Washington chooses to give a good chunk of change, to put up PP points. Toronto probably wishes it could have a mulligan on paying all three of Kaberle, McCabe and Kubina those salaries. That's nearly $15M of cap space right there.

With the NMC, though, it's not really worth discussing. He'd invoke his NMC rather than come here, I feel safe in assuming.

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If not for his NMC, Toronto's Bryan McCabe might be perfect as the one guy Washington chooses to give a good chunk of change, to put up PP points. Toronto probably wishes it could have a mulligan on paying all three of Kaberle, McCabe and Kubina those salaries. That's nearly $15M of cap space right there.

With the NMC, though, it's not really worth discussing. He'd invoke his NMC rather than come here, I feel safe in assuming.
And Kaberle has a NTC, as well, IIRC.

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Yea, second that. There is no chance the Caps trade Green. Eminger I could see.
I could see Green being dealt in theory, but only with a very solid defenseman coming back in return. The chances of that kind of trade lining up are slim, however.

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