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12-18-2003, 08:55 AM
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Berg Misses practice ..Now Hedin recalled.

Apparently with the Flu...

But Hedin may get his chance if Aki can not go on Friday but he is travelling with the team...

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12-18-2003, 09:00 AM
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Ok... i'm not too worried. Jackman will work his A$$ off to try and get his spot back. Hedin has been playing very well on the Rock. I'm not worried one bit.

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Well, hopefully we'll be okay with Berg and Kabs out. Looking forward to see what Hedin can do; although I wouldnt put him in over Jackman if there was only one spot open.

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YES!

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WOOOOOH!

It's Pierre's time to shine!

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Timing is perfect.

Nothing like a few injuries to make this team to hunker down. They might look ahead of Washington otherwise who are playing too well right now to overlook.

One thing about the Leafs under Quinn, they always struggle agaisnt weaker teams. And they always handle injuries well.

Whether they love the old goat or not, the team has his personality, that's for sure:Likes to enjoy the good life but is stubborn as hell and tough when things get rough.

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YES!

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WOOOOOH!

It's Pierre's time to shine!
FAN 590 today..

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I think Hedin would have been called up even if Coli had not been injured. He must be getting pretty discouraged playing in the AHL by now. Giving him a flavor of the big club might be enough to prevent him going back to Sweden.

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Pierre's not going back to Sweden... he's not in the same situation as Kondratiev. Hedin's older, much older and has played 8 years or so in Sweden.

The reason he moved over to North America was to learn to adjust to the smaller ice surface and to the North American game, and he's not going to return to Europe after 30 games or so in North America. If he spends a couple years in the AHL without making the NHL, then I could see him going back.

Max still has plenty of growing up to do and has a lot of room to develop.

Btw... Pierre Hedin's rights are held by Jokerit in the Finnish league.

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Btw... Pierre Hedin's rights are held by Jokerit in the Finnish league.
I was also just going to add that..

and according to todays papers .. it would have been Carlo but...

Today's Toronto Sun...

With Tomas Kaberle nursing a sore shoulder, coach Pat Quinn did not rule out taking a look at Swedish defenceman Pierre Hedin, who has been playing well with the Baby Leafs. Fellow blue liner Carlo Colaiacovo easily has been St. John's best player this season, but he has missed the past four games with back problems after being nailed from behind .

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... after being nailed from behind .
When are they going to get this crap out of the game?? Unfortunately, somebody prominant is going to have to have a career ending injury before this is looked at properly by the league.

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... after being nailed from behind .
Kinda puts a different kind of perspective on it being a real mans game.

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Kinda puts a different kind of perspective on it being a real mans game.
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Oh, sush you, I couldn't resist.

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I'll be fairly nervous against Washington if Berg and Kaberle are both out.

Kaberle plays big-time minutes in all situations. That's hard to replace. And Berg and Klee are solid together. But thank God for Pilar. He's a guy who could step it up for a few games.

If Berg does play, Jackman has to be in there ahead of Hedin.

I'm excited to see what Hedin can do, but you can't dress Hedin over Jackman considering that Jackman's been with the big-team all year.

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If Berg does play, Jackman has to be in there ahead of Hedin.

I'm excited to see what Hedin can do, but you can't dress Hedin over Jackman considering that Jackman's been with the big-team all year.
Richard Jackman had an opportunity and basically blew it.

I don't see why he would be given the benifit of the doubt because he was with the big club. Ric was in the NHL and played so poorly that he was sent down.

Pierre Hedin hasn't had an opportunity to play at this level.

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Richard Jackman had an opportunity and basically blew it.

I don't see why he would be given the benifit of the doubt because he was with the big club. Ric was in the NHL and played so poorly that he was sent down.

Pierre Hedin hasn't had an opportunity to play at this level.
I don't really disagree with anything you've said. But Jackman still has to dress before Hedin.

First of all it wouldn't be fair to Jackman. He's been working hard all year. Practicing with the team. Travelling with the team. Accepted a conditioning stint to St. John's even though he didn't have to. Hasn't complained at all. Then to call up Hedin and play him ahead of Jackman... it wouldn't be right and it would be a slap in the face to Jackman.

Secondly, Jackman undoubtably has friends on the team. They wouldn't be too happy if Hedin started getting playing time while Jackman continues to sit in the press box. We don't need any more controversies. No matter how minor we might think it is.

Bottom line. You play Jackman/ sit Hedin. Jackman's happy to get another opportunity. Hedin's just happy to be with the big club making big league money. No ruffled feathers- everybody's happy.

You play Hedin/ sit Jackman. Wouldn't sit well with a lot of the players on the team- especially Jackman. Potential controversy.

Now I haven't been impressed with Jackman this season. But if the Leafs can't even put him in the lineup when they get an injury he shouldn't even be on the team. They either trade him or waive him. But until they do- he's got to play.

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Richard Jackman had an opportunity and basically blew it.

I don't see why he would be given the benifit of the doubt because he was with the big club. Ric was in the NHL and played so poorly that he was sent down.

Pierre Hedin hasn't had an opportunity to play at this level.
Missing Kaberle almost guarantees that Jackman plays ahead of Hedin for the Experience level..

Personally I hope that both Kaberle and Berg miss the Washington game and that both Hedin and Jackman play...together with Pilar that would make 3 fairly inexperienced Dmen in one game and a true test on how badly Fergy needs to go out and get defensive help...If the triplets prove capable and play well ...it would be a good indication of Leafs defensive depth, and that would not include Carlo in the mix as well...

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I don't really disagree with anything you've said. But Jackman still has to dress before Hedin.

First of all it wouldn't be fair to Jackman. He's been working hard all year. Practicing with the team. Travelling with the team. Accepted a conditioning stint to St. John's even though he didn't have to. Hasn't complained at all. Then to call up Hedin and play him ahead of Jackman... it wouldn't be right and it would be a slap in the face to Jackman.

Secondly, Jackman undoubtably has friends on the team. They wouldn't be too happy if Hedin started getting playing time while Jackman continues to sit in the press box. We don't need any more controversies. No matter how minor we might think it is.

Bottom line. You play Jackman/ sit Hedin. Jackman's happy to get another opportunity. Hedin's just happy to be with the big club making big league money. No ruffled feathers- everybody's happy.

You play Hedin/ sit Jackman. Wouldn't sit well with a lot of the players on the team- especially Jackman. Potential controversy.

Now I haven't been impressed with Jackman this season. But if the Leafs can't even put him in the lineup when they get an injury he shouldn't even be on the team. They either trade him or waive him. But until they do- he's got to play.

Well put

....and the only additional comment is that if Jackman is to get better or gain confidence that he needs to play and get ice time ...I thought Jackman had a great camp and start to the season and is a diamond in the rough...hopefully leafs will learn how to mine for it and polish it to get the most value..

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I want to see Hedin play, Jackman deserves too though because of all his hard work

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I want to see Hedin play, Jackman deserves too though because of all his hard work
I don't understand this argument.

Has Hedin not been working hard in the AHL?

 
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I don't understand this argument.

Has Hedin not been working hard in the AHL?
true, but..... I agree with what the Messenger said...

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First of all it wouldn't be fair to Jackman. He's been working hard all year. Practicing with the team. Travelling with the team. Accepted a conditioning stint to St. John's even though he didn't have to. Hasn't complained at all. Then to call up Hedin and play him ahead of Jackman... it wouldn't be right and it would be a slap in the face to Jackman.

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It's a business.

If it takes a "slap in the face" to inspire Jackman... then you've got to do it.

Pierre Hedin's not a kid, he's 25 years old and has been working hard in the Swedish Elite League and the American Hockey League through the last 5 years to make it to the National Hockey League.

It's really a matter of who can help the team... not if it's fair.

Jackman played well over in Europe, but he's been average to mediocre since returning to North America. He seemed to thrive on the larger ice surface, more mobility, more room... etc...

Jackman accepted the conditioning stint because he had no other logical option... either be put on waivers and be sent to the AHL, be claimed, or accept the offer and go to St. John's for the 2 weeks or so.

No need to feel sorry for him, he's getting paid well to play professional hockey... there's no such thing as "fair" when you're playing mediocre hockey.

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It's a business.

If it takes a "slap in the face" to inspire Jackman... then you've got to do it.

Pierre Hedin's not a kid, he's 25 years old and has been working hard in the Swedish Elite League and the American Hockey League through the last 5 years to make it to the National Hockey League.

It's really a matter of who can help the team... not if it's fair.

Jackman played well over in Europe, but he's been average to mediocre since returning to North America. He seemed to thrive on the larger ice surface, more mobility, more room... etc...

Jackman accepted the conditioning stint because he had no other logical option... either be put on waivers and be sent to the AHL, be claimed, or accept the offer and go to St. John's for the 2 weeks or so.

No need to feel sorry for him, he's getting paid well to play professional hockey... there's no such thing as "fair" when you're playing mediocre hockey.
Well said, I really want to see Hedin play

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Well said, I really want to see Hedin play



I too am excited to see him play

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Pierre Hedin hasn't had an opportunity to play at this level.

He was at the same camp that Jackman was and didn't play as well which is why he was sent to the AHL, he had the same opportunity that Jackman did to make the Leafs at the start of the season and basically blew it.

That being said I want to see him play, from what I've read about him hes a similiar defenseman to Kaberle, and Kaberle being one of the best tradable players the Leafs have, if Hedin can fill his shoes that means they won't lose out as much if they have to trade Kaberle to improve the defense. If theres only one defense position avaible I'd like to see them both practice and the one who simply plays better gets to play, if Kaebrel and/or Berg are both out for several days then maybe rotate them or rest Marchment for a game and let both of them play.

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