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04-21-2007, 02:43 PM
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Patrick Roy suing JDM

http://www.rds.ca/lhjmq/chroniques/227673.html

About damn time someone does something about those losers.

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I'm surprised to see he's suing Le Journal de Québec. I mean Roy coaches in Quebec City, aren't they rooting for the Remparts? I would have thought Chicoutimi newspapers would have been sued...

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good. jdem deserves it.

I hope saku sues them also.

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good. jdem deserves it.

I hope saku sues them also.
Why would Saku sue them? I don't recall him being portrayed as a criminal in Le Journal de Montréal... He may have been described as a below average captain by some columnists, but that's not suing material.

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I'm surprised to see he's suing Le Journal de Québec. I mean Roy coaches in Quebec City, aren't they rooting for the Remparts? I would have thought Chicoutimi newspapers would have been sued...
They are going after the one with the most cash.

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Someone filed an agression report at the police station against Patrick Roy then retired it acouple days later and they reported it, it's hardly JdeM fault.

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04-21-2007, 04:01 PM
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Why would Saku sue them? I don't recall him being portrayed as a criminal in Le Journal de Montréal... He may have been described as a below average captain by some columnists, but that's not suing material.
After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.

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Someone filed an agression report at the police station against Patrick Roy then retired it acouple days later and they reported it, it's hardly JdeM fault.
No. They reported the story as a fact (they wrote PR attacked the other guy without any mention that it may not be true).

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After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.
I had forgotten about that. Not sure he would have the right to sue though, unless there was damage done to his eye because of that incident.

Damage or not, they went way too far that day.

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good. jdem deserves it.

I hope saku sues them also.
Why ?
The pictures ?

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I think there comes a time when you can't just write about anything and state "We had a reliable source!" to every story you write when you know Damn well know you don't have a reliable source.

What Roy seems to be doing is showing the press that just because they claime to have a reliable source and they add that they are "Le Journal de Montreal" and would never write about anything that wasn't almost 100% true that it's not journalism anymore. It's just slander to sell papers.. And guess what, Slander is Illegal. If Roy can prove that 100% then the media are liable.

I hope he wins. It will make the media loose some credibility and they'll have to start cleaning up their Image!!

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Well Roy is in need of attention cause his teamhas been eliminated and he hasnt been seeon on TV for 2 weeks now...

The 'admiration junkie' is in need of an attention fix. I hope he loses and deflates his ego in the process.


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I think there comes a time when you can't just write about anything and state "We had a reliable source!" to every story you write when you know Damn well know you don't have a reliable source.

What Roy seems to be doing is showing the press that just because they claime to have a reliable source and they add that they are "Le Journal de Montreal" and would never write about anything that wasn't almost 100% true that it's not journalism anymore. It's just slander to sell papers.. And guess what, Slander is Illegal. If Roy can prove that 100% then the media are liable.

I hope he wins. It will make the media loose some credibility and they'll have to start cleaning up their Image!!
I'm studying in journalism and to write a credible article, you need to have confirmed informations of two people, so let's say the journalist asked the victim and a person who was there to see the action, it's ok to write an article.

Now I'm not saying that they are a good newspaper or anything, but it was ok to write about it. And I also think it really happened, but they talked and agree on an external agreement.

After all, Roy isn't really an angel...

But anyways, I would have to read the articles to really make a judgement on the media. Most of you are too fast when it's time to judge people, and of course, the media.

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After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.
Dave, what's up with the waffles? What kind do you recommend? Belgian or Eggo? Seriously.

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04-21-2007, 07:03 PM
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After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.
Hmmm, I'm not a specialist in privacy law (criminal give me a call any day, especially fraud) but traditional common law jurisprudence does not consider hospitals to be private sanctuaries like your house.

It's reprehensible what they did but no court would give Saku money because of a few pictures. Now if the flash had caused damage to his eye...

This is going to be about libel and diffamation I think. I could go and get the actual deposition but I think there's a quebec version of the smoking gun so we'll see the actual concrete charges soon enough.

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04-21-2007, 07:27 PM
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I'm studying in journalism and to write a credible article, you need to have confirmed informations of two people, so let's say the journalist asked the victim and a person who was there to see the action, it's ok to write an article.

Now I'm not saying that they are a good newspaper or anything, but it was ok to write about it. And I also think it really happened, but they talked and agree on an external agreement.

After all, Roy isn't really an angel...

But anyways, I would have to read the articles to really make a judgement on the media. Most of you are too fast when it's time to judge people, and of course, the media.
Don't you remember the Kovalev Incident? They had one source. A Russian tabloid. And a week after the article came out in Montreal, Russia was denying it from what I remember..

What ever you lean in journalism, I can't argue against. And I do believe that 99.9% of the time, newspapers in Montreal get thier facts straight. But when it comes to Hockey, they break all the rules..

Is it ok in journalism to park your van outside some's house and videotape them playing with their kids? I don't know about that or it would happen every day. But it was ok for (TQS? if my memory serves me right) to do that and make claims that he may not be really hurt? Where where their 2 sources on that one? the two camara men who are doctors who know that you can't play with your kids when your heel is broken?

Again, I'm not bashing all journalists. Most are decent guys, but some will do anything to get recognition and when TQS sees a chance to get recognition for a story that eveyone wants to read the top brass will reward these what I call unethical journalist who don't care who's life they add grief too...

So If Roy wants to try and Sue them and he win's then hopfully it could put a halt on these crazy stories I keep hearing..

Reporting the news is finding out what happened in a fire in Montreal or what is going on in Darfur. That's what i want to read. as far as sports are concerend, I like to read about interviews the players give. I like to see Kovalev speak between periods. I like to hear about the lodge he owns and lets sick kids go see games at. I like to know about him being a pilot. What I don't care about is Who he eats lunch with or what he thinks of the coach. We all have preferneces and even if he hates his guts, that's between him and Carboneau. He's human and deserves a right to his own opinion and get's to do what ever he wants in his spare time..

My mom thinks Theo is a horrible person.. Maybe he is. Maybe he's not. But you call one night at a club with Celebrities a big deal when he's a celebrity himself? So maybe he drank too much. He made a mistake. But the media made him out to be a cheater and said his wife kicked him out of the house. Why does the media go so much into the private life of hockey players in Montreal? Who needs to know? Is it no enought to ask him about his job? Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Is Theo putting anyone's life at risk? If he hurting anyone? The only people who he could have done anything to that night with Hilton was hurt himself and his wife.. They could have had a fight, He would have said he was sorry and they decided what they want to do in THEIR relationships about it. How is that journalism? Butting into his life and telling the whole world he was out with Hilton and causing grief in his life by having everyone call him to tell him he's a horrible person...

How cares how much Money he gets to play hockey. That's between him and his boss.. If your boss gave you a big raise, would you like there to be a clause that because people like your profession that everyone now has a right to tell everyone everytime you bounc a check? Yell at someone out of your car window for cutting you off? your wife nets upset at you because of a missunderstanding, and then an article comes out the next day assuming your a wife beater?

I'm sick of that and even though I don't think Roy deserves 2 million nor thinks he needs the money, but can at least send a message to lay off a little..

Fans should be rewarded for what players do one the ice. Not with being told every mistake they do off the ice..

That's my two cents...

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After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.
I agree. Too many Sports news media in Monrtreal have no respect for these people. Saku is a person who has the skills to land him a good paying job.

Saku derves the respect to not have to do an interview if he choses not to. And telling the media that he was recovering from a very serious injury and that his room was off limits to the media does not translate into "I am a Monteal Canadiens and it's ok if you sneak a camera in and hurt my eye with the flash just so you can take a picture of my disfiguration so that you can be the first to put my horrific picture in your news paper and sell more newspapers then the ones who didn't sneak in and respected my privacy."

I'd almost like to hit the guy who took that picture in his eye with a hockey stick and let Koivu take a picture of him after being told me may never see from it again..

a$$ #ole!!!!!

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http://www.rds.ca/lhjmq/chroniques/227673.html

About damn time someone does something about those losers.
Hilarious!!

You have to appreciate the irony!

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After they broke into his hospital room and took unsolicited pictures of him while he was recovering from surgery, I think he has a right to sue.
He probably had a right, but it's too late already. When you have a right to sue the press, you must do hit within the three months after the events.

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Belso, I'm not really defending those media BTW. I was just saying that IMO, the Roy story was big enough to publish in their newspaper. Also, they probably had two reliable sources...

But on the other hand, the Kovalev story was plain stupid. The ethic clearly points out that things like that shouldn't be published...

Same thing with TQS...they aren't good journalist at all...TVS are so-so. If you want to hear the real news, you have to listen to Radio-Canada.

Le journal de Montréal isn't really goos either...it's like TQS, but in paper. I had a lot of praise for La Presse, but now that they came out with the Kovy "incident", I lost faith in them.

Anyways, the people who runs those media aren't in a good situation. People wants to hear bad news, and wants to read scandals...sad but true...

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I think there comes a time when you can't just write about anything and state "We had a reliable source!" to every story you write when you know Damn well know you don't have a reliable source.

What Roy seems to be doing is showing the press that just because they claime to have a reliable source and they add that they are "Le Journal de Montreal" and would never write about anything that wasn't almost 100% true that it's not journalism anymore. It's just slander to sell papers.. And guess what, Slander is Illegal. If Roy can prove that 100% then the media are liable.

I hope he wins. It will make the media loose some credibility and they'll have to start cleaning up their Image!!
I agree.

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Belso, I'm not really defending those media BTW. I was just saying that IMO, the Roy story was big enough to publish in their newspaper. Also, they probably had two reliable sources...

But on the other hand, the Kovalev story was plain stupid. The ethic clearly points out that things like that shouldn't be published...

Same thing with TQS...they aren't good journalist at all...TVS are so-so. If you want to hear the real news, you have to listen to Radio-Canada.

Le journal de Montréal isn't really goos either...it's like TQS, but in paper. I had a lot of praise for La Presse, but now that they came out with the Kovy "incident", I lost faith in them.

Anyways, the people who runs those media aren't in a good situation. People wants to hear bad news, and wants to read scandals...sad but true...
I know, I wasn't upset with you or anything. I just hate to see the crap that is published more and more as the years go on and I just wanted to voice my opinion on it..

Besides, I'm a Habs fan and I understand too well the problems implicated in having a good team in Montreal because they are at a disadvantage signing free agents. The media just adds to it. They complain and write crap about the team and are hindering Montreal in improving their roster. It's a vicious circle. If they worte about more possitive aspects about the team (Red Fisher is good for that and I respect him for it), it would help bring winners and not push them away... And then they would be able to write about them winning and not complaining and pointing fingers and getting juicy private stories to make up for not being able to write about how well they won...

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I know, I wasn't upset with you or anything. I just hate to see the crap that is published more and more as the years go on and I just wanted to voice my opinion on it..

Besides, I'm a Habs fan and I understand too well the problems implicated in having a good team in Montreal because they are at a disadvantage signing free agents. The media just adds to it. They complain and write crap about the team and are hindering Montreal in improving their roster. It's a vicious circle. If they worte about more possitive aspects about the team (Red Fisher is good for that and I respect him for it), it would help bring winners and not push them away... And then they would be able to write about them winning and not complaining and pointing fingers and getting juicy private stories to make up for not being able to write about how well they won...
I too completely disagree with the private stories, but the media can't really write only positive about the team. I mean they missed the playoffs despite being 4th in the east for 2 months. There has to be some questions raised. If the media wrote positive only it would be boring and ridiculous. They are saying extremely positive things about our young players though, and that the team should be going up in the rankings in a few years.

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I too completely disagree with the private stories, but the media can't really write only positive about the team. I mean they missed the playoffs despite being 4th in the east for 2 months. There has to be some questions raised. If the media wrote positive only it would be boring and ridiculous. They are saying extremely positive things about our young players though, and that the team should be going up in the rankings in a few years.
Yeah but check the few exemples(Kovy saga, Theo's pictures, Saku's picture...)

That's what is inacceptable and that might be one of the reason that players are scared to come here...

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