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04-23-2007, 09:17 PM
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Tampa could buy Denis out and save themselves about $2 million in cap space - if they buy him out, he'd count:

2007-08: $833,333
2008-09: $633,333
2009-10: $966,667
2010-11: $966,667

But are they willing to pay him $3,866,667 to go away, and would the team count that in the $40 million they're willing to spend this year? No idea what the answers are on this.

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Tampa could buy Denis out and save themselves about $2 million in cap space - if they buy him out, he'd count:

2007-08: $833,333
2008-09: $633,333
2009-10: $966,667
2010-11: $966,667

But are they willing to pay him $3,866,667 to go away, and would the team count that in the $40 million they're willing to spend this year? No idea what the answers are on this.
When the owner is talking about implementing a team cap of ~$40 million, I doubt that he'd consider such a large buy out.

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Moving Weight to the wing is certainly a possibility. Murray had him at right wing late in the year.
Dougie seems to shoot the puck more when he is on the wing, and, he has been a faceoff liability ever since he came here.

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04-23-2007, 09:54 PM
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When the owner is talking about implementing a team cap of ~$40 million, I doubt that he'd consider such a large buy out.
I agree ... unless the Bolts are that desperate to get rid of him and they just can't find any takers, a buyout is unlikely. But, it is an option they have available to them if they so choose.

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This is actually going to be interesting. TB needs to trade either BR or VL. Well you cant trade VL so BR is the man. And although he isn't going to be given away, his salary will put over half the teams in the league out of the bidding for cap space reasons and not willing to spend reasons. So those who have cap space and money to spend are in a unique position to get a good (not steal) deal with TB. I think this could be done.

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04-25-2007, 04:27 PM
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The Lightning (as of right now) intend to keep Denis as starter next year and keep the Big 3... so Richards/Lecavalier/StLouis will NOT be traded. The Lightning will spend their time looking for defense.

...at least that's what my dad heard from Wickett's mouth. I dont know exactly what Wickett does but he's something like Feaster's right hand man.

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04-25-2007, 04:32 PM
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I keep hearing, "TAMPA NEEDS TO TRADE ONE OF THEIR GUYS" and it's always because they're screwed wrt the cap ... so I decided to look at all 30 teams and see how much money everyone has tied up in their 4 highest and 8 highest cap-number players.

TeamTop 4Top 8
ANH18,850,833 26,493,013
ATL20,143,01027,818,010
BOS21,400,00031,933,333
BUF12,441,66722,204,167
CGY18,025,33326,477,333
CAR16,050,00026,016,200
CHI19,518,58728,116,920
COL18,383,33323,796,333
CLB19,330,00027,230,000
DAL18,050,00032,246,166
DET19,950,00026,528,000
EDM14,066,66723,078,333
FLA13,350,00017,772,867
LA14,500,00021,974,000
MIN20,016,66728,898,667
MTL15,650,00021,249,800
NSH16,750,00024,550,000
NJ18,200,00026,826,540
NYI18,936,73325,205,767
NYR14,229,33323,731,000
OTW19,838,99632,163,996
PHI15,650,00023,718,000
PHX17,916,66724,176,667
PIT14,734,20020,415,950
SJ19,208,33327,025,000
STL14,125,00022,259,200
TBY23,258,33331,816,667
TOR21,333,33330,078,933
VAN19,900,00033,600,000
WSH13,084,20017,293,533
Avg17,563,04125,832,146
Top 4 - sum of cap numbers of the 4 players with the highest cap numbers
Top 8 - sum of cap numbers of the 8 players with the highest cap numbers, and any buyouts still counting
-- Boston's numbers not including Alexei Zhamnov

Yes, Tampa has more tied up in their top 4 guys than anyone else - they're $1.9 million above the nearest team, but 4 other teams have over $20 million committed to their top 4 guys. Even more interesting though is the top 8 numbers; four other teams have more committed to their top 8 players than Tampa, topped by Vancouver who has $33.6 million tied up. Dallas has nearly $32.5 million, with Guerin still taking up $2,246,166 due to his buyout. Toronto also has at least $30 million (though if they decline the option on Sundin, this would undoubtedly drop).

So while Tampa may be pinched, they're not in imminent danger like some think they are. Now ... yes, the Lightning have an apparent $40 million self-imposed limit, but they don't have another player with a cap number over $800,000 even after qualifying offers; Vancouver still has Kesler at $1.9 million to make a decision on, plus Matt Cooke ($1,508,333) and Lukas Krajicek ($687,500 QO, but arbitration eligible); Dallas has Robidas ($1.5 million) and Ribeiro ($1.9M QO, arbitration eligible); Boston has Ference ($1.4M), Kobasew ($1.2M), and Thomas ($1.1M) and will have to get up against the cap to get Zhamnov ($4.1M) back on LTIR; Ottawa also has Schaefer ($2.1M), Fisher ($1.5M), Neil ($1.1M), Vermette ($1M) and Saprykin ($1,064,000 QO, arbitration eligible).

The Lightning will be fine; however, there's a few other teams that are pushing the envelope on cap space already - and we haven't hit July 1.


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04-25-2007, 04:36 PM
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I keep hearing, "TAMPA NEEDS TO TRADE ONE OF THEIR GUYS" and it's always because they're screwed wrt the cap ... so I decided to look at all 30 teams and see how much money everyone has tied up in their 4 highest cap-number players.

Results coming shortly.
They're not as bad as you'd think. The Big 3 are good enough to carry a mediocre/young team. So they'll probably just get 2 bigger signings (a wing for Richards and a veteran defensemen) and then get smaller signings for 3rd and 4th liners that can play defensively. This can be done with $40-42 million.

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instead of trading assets for a guy like Richards, I rather them go hard after someone like Scott Gomez..

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04-26-2007, 10:27 AM
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The reason I originally suggested this idea is b/c I don't think the Blues, regardless of how much money they throw around, and regardless of how great an org. they are to play for, and are becoming, will have much success wooing the top FAs to sign here. Plus, Richards is only 26. If everyone in the league would love to have a Drury, Briere, Smyth, Gomez, etc., there's going to be a better win-now option available to them. The Blues, by their own admission (management, not the players, of course), are a couple of years away.

Plus, Richards is only 26. With our cap situation, there will be a smaller pool of teams making a trade play for Richards, so we stand a better chance of success, IMO. Whether or not we can come up with a sufficient package, or if we are willing to, remains to be seen.

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Richards is a player Tampa Bay does not need as much with St. Louis and LeCavalier signed to huge contracts and playing so well. The Blues do need a player like him. So it would be a good trade. If they are looking mostly to lose his salary they might take less to get him, still giving up alot of course, but maybe less then as usual for a player of his calibre.

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instead of trading assets for a guy like Richards, I rather them go hard after someone like Scott Gomez..
Comparing Richards to Gomez is like comparing Forsberg to Renberg. Even with the bloated contract I don't think there is anyone denying that trading for Richards (within reason) makes this team better.

TB isn't under the gun right now and if they are comfortable with their team they don't need to make any moves. We certainly won't mortgage the future for a deal but Richards is that #1 Center we've been hoping for and to lure any bonafide #1 Centers to St.Louis right now, we are going to have to overpay anyways.

IMO, Gomez is not a #1. A solid #2 who can work the #1 for awhile, but no #1.

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Wow, very nice compilation chart, IB.

What really stands out to me is Buffalo. Only 12Mish for their top 4? The lowest in the league? And 22Mish for the top 8 keeps them on the very low side for that too. Only 3 teams lower top-4 than Blues, all in the East.

It's also interesting that while Buffalo was the league's best team this year (and this came in no way as a surprise), the other low top-4 teams all missed the playoffs.

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on the flip side, Lecavalier is a UFA in 09-10. If TB is happy with the status quo, they just move him before he becomes a UFA. TB is not happy with the status quo, I am assuming and I don't know if TB can keep both Richards and Lecavalier at that price forever.

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Wow, very nice compilation chart, IB.

What really stands out to me is Buffalo. Only 12Mish for their top 4? The lowest in the league? And 22Mish for the top 8 keeps them on the very low side for that too. Only 3 teams lower top-4 than Blues, all in the East.

It's also interesting that while Buffalo was the league's best team this year (and this came in no way as a surprise), the other low top-4 teams all missed the playoffs.
Regeir has done a hell of a job, no doubt. It is in the next couple seasons that it starts to get difficult and the good GM's who are able to make the right changes get weeded out from the poor ones.

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Regeir has done a hell of a job, no doubt. It is in the next couple seasons that it starts to get difficult and the good GM's who are able to make the right changes get weeded out from the poor ones.


is that anything like the cream settling at the bottom?
i know what you meant...but don't know what that means....all at the same time.

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is that anything like the cream settling at the bottom?
i know what you meant...but don't know what that means....all at the same time.


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With Tampa reportedly interested in lowering payroll, tis becoming more and more likely that they'll move one of the big three. However, with Lecavalier's season last year, and Marty's NTC, together with Richards' salary and down year, it appears he's the most likely to be moved.

Seeing as the Blues have the most cap space of many teams in the league, they are in a unique position to bid for Richards. If it could be accomplished w/out affecting the rebuild, would anyone be interested? Maybe dealing from our defense strength as well as a goalie prospect, maybe throw in a draft pick or two? AM says he wants a big centerman, Richards fits the bill.
I'm not sure it would be the best move. But Checketts and J.D. want to fill the building and boost interest in The Blues back to normal for a good team. They know they have to show the casual (average) fans they are serious about building a winner. IF they can't sign a big name UFA, they may try to get their top-line centre with a trade. Not that many of them will be available. Those that are will have those giant salary cap hits. Richards might fit their needs (although not their first choice).

After their signing of Legace and McKee last year, I doubt that The Blues will be satisfied to add only young draft choices this off season. If Richards is the only way they can pick up a proven relatively-young, veteran scoring forward, they'll probably pull the trigger.

I think they'll stretch their budget up to $42 million, if they HAVE to, to meet some of their other goals for team building.

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With Tampa reportedly interested in lowering payroll, tis becoming more and more likely that they'll move one of the big three. However, with Lecavalier's season last year, and Marty's NTC, together with Richards' salary and down year, it appears he's the most likely to be moved.

Seeing as the Blues have the most cap space of many teams in the league, they are in a unique position to bid for Richards. If it could be accomplished w/out affecting the rebuild, would anyone be interested? Maybe dealing from our defense strength as well as a goalie prospect, maybe throw in a draft pick or two? AM says he wants a big centerman, Richards fits the bill.
LOL... this would never happen. Your reasoning for why Richards would be the one of the big three that Tampa would be inclined to move is completely wrong, sorry to say. When you throw $7.8 million a year at someone you're making a statement, and that statement is "you are our man." Imagine the burn Vinny must have felt after that!

For whatever reason, Tampa has identified Richards as their franchise player... if you're looking for the first of their big three to leave town, smart money is on Lecavalier.

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LOL... this would never happen. Your reasoning for why Richards would be the one of the big three that Tampa would be inclined to move is completely wrong, sorry to say. When you throw $7.8 million a year at someone you're making a statement, and that statement is "you are our man." Imagine the burn Vinny must have felt after that!

For whatever reason, Tampa has identified Richards as their franchise player... if you're looking for the first of their big three to leave town, smart money is on Lecavalier.
getting Vinny would be awesome, but I can't see it happening. But then again.. crazier things has happened.

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I don't want to give up too much for Brad.

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If I were The Blues, I'd love to get Vinny, even paying $7 million a year. But, I doubt that they could (or would) give Tampa Bay what they'll want for him.

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LOL... this would never happen. Your reasoning for why Richards would be the one of the big three that Tampa would be inclined to move is completely wrong, sorry to say. When you throw $7.8 million a year at someone you're making a statement, and that statement is "you are our man." Imagine the burn Vinny must have felt after that!

For whatever reason, Tampa has identified Richards as their franchise player... if you're looking for the first of their big three to leave town, smart money is on Lecavalier.
That and at the time of the contract, Lecavalier hadn't had his great year nor had Richards had a bad year. When the contract was signed, Richards outplayed Lecavalier in every aspect of the game.


Lecavalier or Richards... If the Blues are going to get either one, I'm very happy

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How about Patrick Marleau instead?

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How about Patrick Marleau instead?

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I like that idea a lot more.

But.. I'm sure it would take a lot more to get Patrick than what it would take to Richards.

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