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05-15-2007, 05:12 PM
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I thought AO makes his linemates better...or was supposed to make his linemates better.

Just playing devils advocate.

I could care less really.

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05-15-2007, 05:15 PM
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Well we've seen AO game break by himself for a couple of season so I don't doubt that much. I never watched a game at the WCs so mainly just looking at his line mates.

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I saw most of AO's games and I have to say that calling him a major disappointment is quite correct. His game reminded me the way Kovalchuk used to play: It looked like he wanted to do all by himself, carried the puck and lost it many times, lot's of turnovers, didn't pass much in O-zone etc.

Althought he played in 4th line he had quite a good linemates in Nepriajev and Kulemin IMO. Nepriajev isn't only a defensive specialist, he's tools enought to be a two-way center. Kulemin scored over 20 goals in Russian league, so he's not a bad player either.

Ovy started in 4th line and as the Russians top lines played well till semifinals it was hard to his coach to find more ice time for him. As the tournament went on you could see Ovie frustrading and struggling more and more.

I'm quite sure Ovie was disappointed about the tournament and played bad because he probably thought it would be a nice ending for his rough season to play in big role in WC games.

I also agree what Kolzigfanfromfinland wrote in Tarik's blog:

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I think that Ovie played under his skills. It was surprising that he was placed into fourth line, but those minutes which he spent on the ice...he didn`t have much to show. I also think that Ovechkin had pretty tough year in Washington and it shone in the WC-tournament. Ovechkin needs to take time out right now and just relax because he wasn`t relaxed with the puck and he was very frustated.

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05-16-2007, 09:52 AM
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I saw most of AO's games and I have to say that calling him a major disappointment is quite correct. His game reminded me the way Kovalchuk used to play: It looked like he wanted to do all by himself, carried the puck and lost it many times, lot's of turnovers, didn't pass much in O-zone etc.

Althought he played in 4th line he had quite a good linemates in Nepriajev and Kulemin IMO. Nepriajev isn't only a defensive specialist, he's tools enought to be a two-way center. Kulemin scored over 20 goals in Russian league, so he's not a bad player either.

Ovy started in 4th line and as the Russians top lines played well till semifinals it was hard to his coach to find more ice time for him. As the tournament went on you could see Ovie frustrading and struggling more and more.

I'm quite sure Ovie was disappointed about the tournament and played bad because he probably thought it would be a nice ending for his rough season to play in big role in WC games.

I also agree what Kolzigfanfromfinland wrote in Tarik's blog:
Thanks. This is what I assumed from reading game recaps, boxscores etc...

What you are describing sounds exactly like his 2nd season in the NHL.

It pains me so much to say it but its just how I feel but I think AO had an awful year last season in terms of expectations and just in general the way he played. Sure he did have 90+ points, but something just was not quite the same about his 2nd year compared to his first.

I hate it when people automatically blame his linemates, but his linemates were no better the previous year and he certainly did much better.

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05-16-2007, 06:11 PM
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Thanks. This is what I assumed from reading game recaps, boxscores etc...

What you are describing sounds exactly like his 2nd season in the NHL.

It pains me so much to say it but its just how I feel but I think AO had an awful year last season in terms of expectations and just in general the way he played. Sure he did have 90+ points, but something just was not quite the same about his 2nd year compared to his first.

I hate it when people automatically blame his linemates, but his linemates were no better the previous year and he certainly did much better.
EA Sports curse is why he had such a sub-par season

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EA Sports curse is why he had such a sub-par season
Actually, not really. No such thing of a curse like that, but if it makes you feel better thinking its that, then by all means, I wont stop you...

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Actually, not really. No such thing of a curse like that, but if it makes you feel better thinking its that, then by all means, I wont stop you...
I hope you didnt take my post seriously but just for the hell of it....

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'99 Lindros: During the 1998-99 season, Lindros had amassed an impressive 93 points in 71 games, until his season came to an abrupt end with a collapsed lung during a game in Carolina. The following season he was stripped of his captaincy after criticizing team doctors and missed 10 weeks to post-concussion syndrome. During Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals, he suffered a major concussion when hit by Devils' defenseman Scott Stevens in just his second game since returning from PCS. That would be his last game in a Flyers uniform, as he sat out the entire 2000-01 season in a contract dispute and was consequently traded to the Rangers.

'01 Nolan: Nolan scored a career-high 44 goals and 84 points the previous season and found the net eight times in 10 playoff games with the Sharks. After the 2000-01 season, he had just 24 goals and 49 points, with only one goal in six playoff games. His scoring-touch has declined even further since.

'02 Lemeuix: Super Mario stunned the hockey world when he returned to the NHL in December 2000 after a three-year retirement. It appeared as though he'd never left as he scored 35 goals and 76 points in just 43 games. The following season (2001-02) Lemieux spent all but 24 games on injured reserve and scored just six goals as the Penguins failed to make the playoffs for the first time since 1990.

'03 Iginla: Iginla was the league's leading scorer in both goals (52) and points (96) in 2001-02. He finished the following season with 35 goals and 67 points in 75 games, not even among the top 30 scorers in the league.

'04 Heatley: After EA's original choice, Joe Thornton, was charged with assaulting police, the up-and-coming Heatley was selected for the cover of NHL 2004. Four days after the official release date, he crashed his Ferrari into a wall at around 80 mph, ejecting him and his passenger, friend and teammate Dan Snyder. Heatley suffered a broken jaw, a minor concussion, a bruised lung and kidney, and tore three ligaments in his right knee. Snyder was critically injured with a skull fracture, fell into a coma, and died six days later. EA switched the cover to Joe Sakic following the accident, although many copies had already been shipped and sold.

'05 Naslund: Naslund had finished among the top four scorers in the league in each of his three seasons prior to the NHL lockout of 2004-05. While the majority of players have benefited from the post-lockout NHL, Naslund has not. In 2005-06, he was not even in the top 25 in scoring. Despite having played in all 82 games this past season, he scored a paltry 60 points.

Vincent Lecavalier and Chris Pronger are the only ones really unaffected by it


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Ovechkin's season wasn't that bad, the only disappointment was that the team finished so poorly after starting to well.

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Ovechkin's season wasn't that bad, the only disappointment was that the team finished so poorly after starting to well.
its hard to say a player struggled when he put up 46g and 92pts, but he IMO had a disappointing season...he set the bar so high in his rookie season that he has high expectations placed on his shoulders to put up numbers like that season after season

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its hard to say a player struggled when he put up 46g and 92pts, but he IMO had a disappointing season...he set the bar so high in his rookie season that he has high expectations placed on his shoulders to put up numbers like that season after season
The way I look at it is that Ovechkin has 50-55 G and 50-55 A potential when he's literally playing by himself. In order to hit those numbers though, he has to practically kill himself on the ice. He was highly motivated to make a good first impression his rookie season and he just about did kill himself out there every night. I just don't think he had it in him this year to make that sacrifice given the state of the team.

I can't wait until he has real linemates and defensemen who can run a break-out/hit him with passes in stride. I really think we have no idea just how good he can be and I can't wait until he shows his true top end potential.

What he's shown so far is downright scary because I take it to mean that he's pretty much fully developed at age 20. I base that on the fact that he scored 200 points in 2 seasons while playing alone out there-I've never seen anyone do so much with so little and I can't imagine him doing anything more than he has. The only variables are linemates and I think they will make an immediate impact on his game and his production.


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05-18-2007, 09:46 AM
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I saw most of AO's games and I have to say that calling him a major disappointment is quite correct. His game reminded me the way Kovalchuk used to play: It looked like he wanted to do all by himself, carried the puck and lost it many times, lot's of turnovers, didn't pass much in O-zone etc.

Althought he played in 4th line he had quite a good linemates in Nepriajev and Kulemin IMO. Nepriajev isn't only a defensive specialist, he's tools enought to be a two-way center. Kulemin scored over 20 goals in Russian league, so he's not a bad player either.

Ovy started in 4th line and as the Russians top lines played well till semifinals it was hard to his coach to find more ice time for him. As the tournament went on you could see Ovie frustrading and struggling more and more.

I'm quite sure Ovie was disappointed about the tournament and played bad because he probably thought it would be a nice ending for his rough season to play in big role in WC games.

I also agree what Kolzigfanfromfinland wrote in Tarik's blog:
That's some great coach who can't find time for your best (one of 2 best) goalscorer. The way Kovalchuk used to play? Well, Kovy was getting 7-10 min/game in the past tournaments, that's pretty much what AO was getting this WC. I was against the idea hiring a coach form another country, but right about now I don't see any other options. Bykov sucks!!!

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05-18-2007, 11:33 AM
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He was highly motivated to make a good first impression his rookie season and he just about did kill himself out there every night. I just don't think he had it in him this year to make that sacrifice given the state of the team.
I really don't see it that way. AO's first year Zubrus hung back more defensively and AO went crazy freelancing. This year teams adjusted and had their game plan solely vs. AO with their top D pairing and shut down lines. From a statistical stand point this past season is pretty good. And even though we didn't say the crazy one on one stuff from AO's season 1 I was glad to see him score in a more traditional sense/style. Though I do believe AO's fitness was a little suspect coming into this past season. It took a while before we saw that burst of speed and it seemed to come and go through out the season. I'd be curious to know AO's weight in season 1 vs season 2. He might have put on too much muscle/weight.

AO was also still his same exuberent self in season 2. Wasn't till after the trade deadline where his goal celebrations were more subdued and honestly it would have bothered me more if he was going crazy showboating after a scored goal and ignoring the fact they were losing the game or towards the end of a bad season.

Maybe AO just has to pay his dues on the national team which is why he was on the 3 or 4th lines .

One thing I did find interesting in Fay's latest story on Backstrom was that he mentioned that the Caps were still not sure what type of center AO needs which is interesting as I'm not sure myself.

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I really don't see it that way. AO's first year Zubrus hung back more defensively and AO went crazy freelancing. This year teams adjusted and had their game plan solely vs. AO with their top D pairing and shut down lines. From a statistical stand point this past season is pretty good. And even though we didn't say the crazy one on one stuff from AO's season 1 I was glad to see him score in a more traditional sense/style. Though I do believe AO's fitness was a little suspect coming into this past season. It took a while before we saw that burst of speed and it seemed to come and go through out the season. I'd be curious to know AO's weight in season 1 vs season 2. He might have put on too much muscle/weight.
I'm leaning more towards Ovy being out of shape at the start of the season...not sure if anyone one(media mainly) has commented on it, but I'd like to know what he did hockey related during the off season

not to mention he took a few good shots on his knee during preseason and the start of the season

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He's a young, exuberant, fun loving kid who became an international celebrity. He admitted he spent a good chunk of last summer partying and vacationing at posh resorts. He probably did gain some weight and reported out of shape. I chalk it up to youth. If he's really hungry, he'll avoid those mistakes in the future and concentrate his summers on conditioning.

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