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05-02-2007, 10:50 AM
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Can't let go: Primeau

Pardon me guys. I only started really following the Flyers hardcore in 2000-2001 so my only instance of falling in love with a player came in 2004 with Primeau. It's kind of hard to let the memories fade. Every time I post an image of him or see him score a goal in those playoffs it makes me want to see him come back. I'm sure some of you older guys can relate in a sense with some of the old time Flyers greats.

But anyway, dwelling on the past, I noticed that Keith is only 35 years old. Do you think there would ever be a chance of him coming back for a year or two and having a lesser role? Maybe like a 4th line center? Just something he'd be effective at and out of harms way?

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I'm the same way man... I would be absolutely thrilled if he came back

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It's not a matter of wanting him back, it's a matter of him being healthy enough to play.


He's played 9 games in 3 years. No.

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.

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We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.
it was a good trade for everyone involved... it's just a shame Primeau had the concussion issues.

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.


LOL, this is pretty much typical for most fickle Philly fans. I remember getting in many arguments where I was defending him (6+ mil for a checking 3rd line center who isn't that good, that's what they used to say), Desjardins (they used to say "god is he awful, he coughs the puck up, he can't move any longer, he should have retired 5 years before he did", etc), Recchi ("he's over rated, blah blah blah", even though I believe he lead us in scoring his last 2 or 3 years here) and now it's Joni's turn. He had a bad year but the entire team did. I expected him to progress more defensively but I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet. I'm one of his biggest supporters and I'll bet in the end he ends up being a stellar player who everyone says "god, I can't believe all of the rest of you wanted to trade him" and the loudest to say that will be the ones calling for his head right now.

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.
really.
tell us how you really feel.

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.
foolish post.
Brind'amour for Primeau was good trade. Sure Brinda'mour still playing and playing well, but come on, if the projection was that clear cut the deal probably wouldn't have happened. That being said if you could see Brinda'mour in the same role with the Flyers as he does with the Hurricanes you should apply for the Columbus job.

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LOL, this is pretty much typical for most fickle Philly fans. I remember getting in many arguments where I was defending him (6+ mil for a checking 3rd line center who isn't that good, that's what they used to say), Desjardins (they used to say "god is he awful, he coughs the puck up, he can't move any longer, he should have retired 5 years before he did", etc), Recchi ("he's over rated, blah blah blah", even though I believe he lead us in scoring his last 2 or 3 years here) and now it's Joni's turn. He had a bad year but the entire team did. I expected him to progress more defensively but I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet. I'm one of his biggest supporters and I'll bet in the end he ends up being a stellar player who everyone says "god, I can't believe all of the rest of you wanted to trade him" and the loudest to say that will be the ones calling for his head right now.
Nice assumptions. Who said anything about Desjardins and Recchi? I liked them both and wanted them to stay,. I liked Primeau too during his amazing cup run but to give up Brind amour and spent 6+ million on a third line checker was absurd. It would be for any team. Martin Lapointe, Holik, Bonk all come to mind.

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foolish post.
Brind'amour for Primeau was good trade. Sure Brinda'mour still playing and playing well, but come on, if the projection was that clear cut the deal probably wouldn't have happened. That being said if you could see Brinda'mour in the same role with the Flyers as he does with the Hurricanes you should apply for the Columbus job.

Good trade? I'm not just saying this because Brind'Amour won a cup last year. Brind Amour was just as good defensively and much better offensively. "The trade wouldn't have happened if it was lopsided? Lindros wanted him out and Primeau was sitting for Carolina. That's what teams do when hey are desperate. That trade was somewhat ok at the time but Primeau certainly idn't become the star that he thought he was (sitting out for more $$ in Carolina and wanting a bigger role in Detroit) or we thought he would be.

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really.
tell us how you really feel.
I think he was a good leader and is missed but when I se a post about us missing him and talking about one good playoff run it bugs me. He was a below average player for us for the majority of the time at 6 million a year, not to mention who we gave up for him. That's all. I'm not flaming, or at leats trying to. I'm trying to be realistic in his whole tenure with the team and not focusing on one playoff run.

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I think he was a good leader and is missed but when I se a post about us missing him and talking about one good playoff run it bugs me. He was a below average player for us for the majority of the time at 6 million a year, not to mention who we gave up for him. That's all. I'm not flaming, or at leats trying to. I'm trying to be realistic in his whole tenure with the team and not focusing on one playoff run.
yeah well when you look at the recent history there have not been many guys who have stepped up and carried the Flyers in the playoffs the way Primeau did in 04.
Yeah Lindros had a good run in 97 but IMO he had only one really great series and that was against the Rangers. So when things like that happen for our team in the playoffs you have a tendancy to ignore anything in the past and look at what he did for that Flyers team in 04. Had the Flyers won that game 7 against TB, and gone to the Finals he would have been the MVP of the playoffs win or lose.

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Pardon me guys. I only started really following the Flyers hardcore in 2000-2001 so my only instance of falling in love with a player came in 2004 with Primeau. It's kind of hard to let the memories fade. Every time I post an image of him or see him score a goal in those playoffs it makes me want to see him come back. I'm sure some of you older guys can relate in a sense with some of the old time Flyers greats.

But anyway, dwelling on the past, I noticed that Keith is only 35 years old. Do you think there would ever be a chance of him coming back for a year or two and having a lesser role? Maybe like a 4th line center? Just something he'd be effective at and out of harms way?
I was honestly thinking the same thing about a week ago. Maybe sit this season out, while staying in decent shape, then if his head feels good go from there.

It all depends on his head. If he feels back to normal within about a year, you know damn well he's going to attempt a comeback.

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I was honestly thinking the same thing about a week ago. Maybe sit this season out, while staying in decent shape, then if his head feels good go from there.

It all depends on his head. If he feels back to normal within about a year, you know damn well he's going to attempt a comeback.
he's done. he hasn't played hockey in forever.

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he's done. he hasn't played hockey in forever.
I don't know. It was less than a year ago that he was still attempting to come back. If he goes symptom free for a while you know it's going to be going through his head.

I really wouldn't be opposed to it. He was one of the rare players who becomes better as they get older, I even think his skating was better when he retired than when he was 25.

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Pardon me guys. I only started really following the Flyers hardcore in 2000-2001 so my only instance of falling in love with a player came in 2004 with Primeau. It's kind of hard to let the memories fade. Every time I post an image of him or see him score a goal in those playoffs it makes me want to see him come back. I'm sure some of you older guys can relate in a sense with some of the old time Flyers greats.

But anyway, dwelling on the past, I noticed that Keith is only 35 years old. Do you think there would ever be a chance of him coming back for a year or two and having a lesser role? Maybe like a 4th line center? Just something he'd be effective at and out of harms way?
I wouldn't mind KP coming back to teach possibly as a coach or as a specialist... I have noticed that our youngsters (Carter, Richards, Umberger, Potunly) are ALL terrible at faceoffs. I wouldn't mind seeing KP show them how its done. If I remember correctly everytime there was a draw that we HAD TO WIN! Prims was always the guy who took it. We need to keep him in the organization one way or another, he means alot to us.

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I don't know. It was less than a year ago that he was still attempting to come back. If he goes symptom free for a while you know it's going to be going through his head.

I really wouldn't be opposed to it. He was one of the rare players who becomes better as they get older, I even think his skating was better when he retired than when he was 25.
you can't come back and be a professional in a sport like hockey after the type of absence he's experienced. physically he would have such a long road to go down to regain strength, stamina, etc. that have eroded over that time period. that's before you concern yourself with the more technical skill-set of being a professional hockey player that he hasn't been doing over that time period.

he's done... i would actually flip out if he did announce that he was coming back, because that would be a HUGE cap problem for us. it was a HUGE cap problem for us that he waited until the last moment to announce that he wasn't playing this past season.

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foolish post.
Brind'amour for Primeau was good trade. Sure Brinda'mour still playing and playing well, but come on, if the projection was that clear cut the deal probably wouldn't have happened. That being said if you could see Brinda'mour in the same role with the Flyers as he does with the Hurricanes you should apply for the Columbus job.
What role is that? As best face-off man on the team? As best defensive forward? As a true leader who should have been given the captaincy here? Because, yes, I did see all of those things...now where do I send my resume?

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it was a good trade for everyone involved... it's just a shame Primeau had the concussion issues.
Rod was/is a better player. Face offs, scoring, PK, PP, former iron man. Primeau was a better fighter. If not for Lindros, Rod would never be traded. Clarke did ok in this one.

Prims was a good player no doubt.


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Carolina 2 Flyers 1 on trades. You guys can try to back up that the Brind Amour and Williams trades were needed at the time, but the trades do nothing for us now, so that is how i am verifying which team ended up better.

Primeau would be third on the list of ex Flyers from that 04 team to come back behind Reechi and number one on my list JR.

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Just take a look at Lindros now. That in mind (rather similar history with significant injuries), you really want KP back?

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.
i heard some stupid rumor that lindros had and affair with brind'amour's wife.. i dunno lol.. i thought thats y he left or something along that line???

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I don't get this. .

Prior to the good playoff run he was on our "most traded list". He had 7 goals, we lost Rod Brind'amour for him and he wasn't very popular here. People were cursing him until Hitchcock turned him into a 3rd line checker. One good playoff run and he's now a missed former flyer hot shot?


Good riddance.

We lost Rod Brind'amour for him. Nough said.
This is a pretty interesting post.

It seems like the Primeau legend grew exponentially during that 2004 run for you guys. While he played great, and destroyed the Leafs in particular, I feel as if his reputation has grown way out of proportion since then. I mean, in the years leading up to that run he was so disappointing as a top line center or a second line center behind Roenick.

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Rod was/is a better player. Face offs, scoring, PK, PP, former iron man. Primeau was a better fighter. If not for Lindros, Rod would never be traded. Clarke did ok in this one.

Prims was a good player no doubt.
i think the trade was GREAT for Brind'Amour's career... it wasn't going great here at the time, which people forget, and Primeau would have been a nice complement (they expected him to score a bit more), etc.

if Primeau doesn't get hurt it's an extremely even trade... i think Brind'Amour is a better player, but was stagnating a bit here at the time and he's been put in a position to truly become something better there.

it was an even trade... Primeau getting hurt made it uneven.

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i think the trade was GREAT for Brind'Amour's career... it wasn't going great here at the time, which people forget, and Primeau would have been a nice complement (they expected him to score a bit more), etc.

if Primeau doesn't get hurt it's an extremely even trade... i think Brind'Amour is a better player, but was stagnating a bit here at the time and he's been put in a position to truly become something better there.

it was an even trade... Primeau getting hurt made it uneven.

Completely disagree. We had Lindros, Leclair, Gratton etc. Brind'Amour wasn't playing the minutes he has in Carolina. Primeau was nothing when he first joined Philly. He was behind so many players. Eventually after Leclair's injuries and Lindros's trade, Primeau was looked upon to lead and failed miserably. In that same scenario, if Lindros and Leclair fell apart and Brind 'Amour was put into the same scenario as Primeau, he would have done much better.

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