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04-25-2007, 04:29 PM
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That is the average paid attendance for 06/07.

If my math is right that means we were short 185 bodies for 44 games (41 regular season plus 3 playoff games) or 8,140. The reported figure for average paid playoff games was just under 17,000.

As a result, 3 more capacity playoff games would have pushed us over 14,000 (we were clearing the bar by close to 3,000 per game at that point). Put a different way, we would have needed 14k x 47 games (658,000 paid) and we had 607,860 already in the bag, for a difference of 50,140 total, or 16,714 per game in a three game round 2.

Bottom line #1: Losing to the Sharks likely cost us our chance to avoid the potential application of the 14K rule.

Bottom line #2: If the Preds maintained attendance and sold 200 new full season ticket packages (including packages sold late in this season), then we should clear 14,000.

As I understand it, that would buy us 3 years of safety since the out clause kicks in only if there are 2 consecutive years averaging under 14,000.

Final bottom line: The Preds should easily clear this hurdle next year so I think Leipold will make a big deal out of NOT exercising the clause at a big press conference in the next 60 days, PERHAPS with an announcement that he sold 5% to a local fan (Vince Gil or Scott Hamilton would be my guesses). He will then kick off a big "add 200 season ticket holders" campaign and try to capitalize on the good-will. Or at least, he would do all of that if he had braindead as his media guy instead of a brain dead media guy.

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That is the average paid attendance for 06/07.

If my math is right that means we were short 185 bodies for 44 games (41 regular season plus 3 playoff games) or 8,140. The reported figure for average paid playoff games was just under 17,000.

As a result, 3 more capacity playoff games would have pushed us over 14,000 (we were clearing the bar by close to 3,000 per game at that point). Put a different way, we would have needed 14k x 47 games (658,000 paid) and we had 607,860 already in the bag, for a difference of 50,140 total, or 16,714 per game in a three game round 2.

Bottom line #1: Losing to the Sharks likely cost us our chance to avoid the potential application of the 14K rule.

Bottom line #2: If the Preds maintained attendance and sold 200 new full season ticket packages (including packages sold late in this season), then we should clear 14,000.

As I understand it, that would buy us 3 years of safety since the out clause kicks in only if there are 2 consecutive years averaging under 14,000.

Final bottom line: The Preds should easily clear this hurdle next year so I think Leipold will make a big deal out of NOT exercising the clause at a big press conference in the next 60 days, PERHAPS with an announcement that he sold 5% to a local fan (Vince Gil or Scott Hamilton would be my guesses). He will then kick off a big "add 200 season ticket holders" campaign and try to capitalize on the good-will. Or at least, he would do all of that if he had braindead as his media guy instead of a brain dead media guy.
I think your completely right.

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You only need to clear 13,125 for 2007-08. The bar jumps to 14,000 for 2008-09 and all years after. (See: Article 49.3 in the CBA)

However, there's also the matter of having team revenues grow faster than league revenues - both the growth rate and paid attendance marks have to be achieved to get a full share.

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Braindead is referring to the 14,000 average paid requirement clause rather then revenue sharing.

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I'm also interested to see who is buying the 5%.

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As a result, 3 more capacity playoff games would have pushed us over 14,000 (we were clearing the bar by close to 3,000 per game at that point). Put a different way, we would have needed 14k x 47 games (658,000 paid) and we had 607,860 already in the bag, for a difference of 50,140 total, or 16,714 per game in a three game round 2.
Correct, Pred303 had mentioned either here or on NP.com or on both messageboards late in the regular season or the night of game 1 that he had spoken with Steve Violetta and Violetta told him that if Nashville had hosted 6 home playoff games that the average paid attendance would have met the 14,000 mark for the season.

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So what is this article measuring http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2007

Total attendance? What's the difference?

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That article uses raw totals, including nonpaying tickets (ie comps/give-aways). There is another article out there somewhere that shows the comps by team. I think it showed, for instance, Atlanta giving away a huge number of tickets for this year. I think the Preds give-aways have been going down year by year and the 250 or so per game in the playoffs seems about the minimum (presumably mostly for players, press, management) you are likely to see.

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what we really need is a complete breakdown of game attendance = paid + comp and a comparison of actual vs paid attendance.

i have got to think some teams may have sold out every game, but have less than perfect gate attendance(e.g. detroit). this would hit the crux of the corporate subside(buying tixs but not attending games).

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what we really need is a complete breakdown of game attendance = paid + comp and a comparison of actual vs paid attendance.

i have got to think some teams may have sold out every game, but have less than perfect gate attendance(e.g. detroit). this would hit the crux of the corporate subside(buying tixs but not attending games).
You'll never find a "real" attendance figure though. Teams don't count the people walking through the door. Baseball was the last sport who did, but that was phased out over 20 years ago. The only figures ever counted now is "paid" attendance. At best, the "real" attendance can only ever be estimated.

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here are your attendance stats...

http://data.tennessean.com/mmdev/dbclass/preds.php

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I also think it's important to keep in mind that a whole bunch of those comp tickets are the "bonus" tickets that season ticket holders get.

I think for my account I got "16" bonus tickets.

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the preds and metro would do good to announce those tax figures, also.

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just did some quick numbers.

tax collections on the gate revenue is about $2.4 million

about $50k per game...

that doesn't include the seat fee which gets paid to metro, which looks to be a little over $1 per ticket

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just did some quick numbers.

tax collections on the gate revenue is about $2.4 million

about $50k per game...

that doesn't include the seat fee which gets paid to metro, which looks to be a little over $1 per ticket
so, just to be clear, Metro council isn't willing to pay 400k to buy tickets and keep the team in town that's generating $2.4 million in tax revenue?

Not a lot of math majors on Metro?

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I found this nugget interesting in regards to attendance:

Joe Louis Arena Ice Hockey Capacity: 20,066

Official Attendance for the Red Wings Home Playoff Games to date:

Game 1 Calgary - 19,204
Game 2 Calgary - 19,751
Game 5 Calgary - 19,340

Game 1 San Jose - 18,712
Game 2 San Jose - 19,113
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Hmmm....no sellouts.

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I found this nugget interesting in regards to attendance:

Joe Louis Arena Ice Hockey Capacity: 20,066

Official Attendance for the Red Wings Home Playoff Games to date:

Game 1 Calgary - 19,204
Game 2 Calgary - 19,751
Game 5 Calgary - 19,340

Game 1 San Jose - 18,712
Game 2 San Jose - 19,113
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Hmmm....no sellouts.
Yeah, the fans in Hockytown are doing their version of a 'HockeyProtest'...the prices at Joe Louis vs. the actual experience/bang for your buck just ain't there. Those are some of the priciest tix in the league, and that arena kinda blows...there was some article somewhere about that recently. Can't remember where...

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Is it possible they might go to Kansas City? Obviously the city doesn't support them. LOL

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The die-hard market in KC would never complain about high ticket prices.

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Detroit's economy is also in the tank right now, so that plays a factor into them not selling out the Joe.

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Detroit's economy is also in the tank right now, so that plays a factor into them not selling out the Joe.
We understand...but the point is...if we tried to make that excuse, we'd be heckled off the boards.

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We understand...but the point is...if we tried to make that excuse, we'd be heckled off the boards.
And I find that unfortunate, but I understand where you're coming from. Nashville has (unfairly, in my opinion) been lambasted for its attendance. But, unlike a lot of other short sighted hockey fans, I listen to all arguments and I find it disheartening that local businesses don't support your Preds. Your team has improved every year and has awesome fans to show for it (and soon you'll have a new generation of fans because your team has been there for almost ten years now).

I don't know the whole story, but why aren't local businesses supporting the Preds more?

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And I find that unfortunate, but I understand where you're coming from. Nashville has (unfairly, in my opinion) been lambasted for its attendance. But, unlike a lot of other short sighted hockey fans, I listen to all arguments and I find it disheartening that local businesses don't support your Preds. Your team has improved every year and has awesome fans to show for it (and soon you'll have a new generation of fans because your team has been there for almost ten years now).

I don't know the whole story, but why aren't local businesses supporting the Preds more?
Well, apparently, it was a little better this year, especially toward the end of the year.

It wasn't ALWAYS bad, but apparently, some of the old PR people created some friction that caused some of the older businesses to drop out(the early bad seasons probably didn't help)

All we can do is hope that it will build back up.

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For once I agree with David Climer.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....47/1106/SPORTS

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