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05-09-2007, 08:38 PM
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I think Ogo's formula would suggest that Hall would be #1.
Goaltenders in the top-50

0014-1952/1971-18-G-0967-0443-209-090-00-0-0-07-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-3-6-1-01-6-Y-3171,5-Hall Glenn
0015-1952/1973-18-G-0922-0477-209-134-00-1-0-03-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-7-1-1-06-4-Y-3089,5-Plante Jacques
0019-1984/2003-19-G-1056-0561-248-152-00-0-1-04-2-0-0-00-0-0-0-3-2-3-04-1-Y-2668,5-Roy Patrick
0020-1949/1970-21-G-1069-0492-206-107-00-0-0-03-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-4-2-2-04-3-Y-2654,0-Sawchuk Terry
0023-1990/2006-14-G-0665-0336-097-053-00-2-1-06-0-0-0-00-0-0-0-6-0-0-01-2-F-2585,0-Hasek Dominik
0024-1970/1979-08-G-0397-0258-150-107-00-0-1-05-1-0-0-00-0-0-0-5-0-1-06-0-Y-2487,0-Dryden Ken
0025-1917/1930-13-G-0887-0480-138-082-00-1-0-05-3-0-0-00-0-0-0-5-2-0-04-1-Y-2468,0-Benedict Clint
0038-1943/1950-07-G-0498-0277-090-054-01-0-1-06-0-0-0-00-0-0-0-6-0-0-02-1-Y-2124,5-Durnan Bill
0042-1938/1950-10-G-0704-0358-136-064-00-0-1-02-6-0-0-00-0-0-0-2-3-0-02-2-Y-2070,0-Brimsek Frank

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05-09-2007, 08:45 PM
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Goalie - Regular season GAA - Postseason GAA

Martin Brodeur - 2.20 - 1.88

Glenn Hall - 2.49 - 2.78

Dominik Hasek - 2.21 - 2.02

Jaques Plante - 2.37 - 2.13

Patrick Roy - 2.53 - 2.30

Terry Sawchuk - 2.50 - 2.53

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05-09-2007, 09:01 PM
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The Vancouver Canucks round out their forwards and select Kirk Maltby as well as Brian Rolston, a player who has proven himself to be able to play under a Lemaire system and excel in the process

Naslund - Schmidt - Conacher
Graves - Broten - Sandstrom
Maltby - Staal - Loob
Rolston - Skrudland - Bellows
Zezel

Orr - Foote
Kasatonov - Horner
Ragulin - Hall
Macoun

Richter
Druzilla
XXXXXX

An allright lineup that for some reason seems off to me.

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05-09-2007, 10:51 PM
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Goalie - Regular season GAA - Postseason GAA

Martin Brodeur - 2.20 - 1.88

Glenn Hall - 2.49 - 2.78

Dominik Hasek - 2.21 - 2.02

Jaques Plante - 2.37 - 2.13

Patrick Roy - 2.53 - 2.30

Terry Sawchuk - 2.50 - 2.53
Hmm. I never really realized that.

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05-09-2007, 11:05 PM
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Hmm. I never really realized that.
He played in the high scoring 80's and early 90's

I'd take a guess the average goals per game during Roy's career is higher than that of all the others.


Oh, and for the record:

Turk Broda - 2.52 - 1.98

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05-09-2007, 11:51 PM
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He played in the high scoring 80's and early 90's

I'd take a guess the average goals per game during Roy's career is higher than that of all the others.


Oh, and for the record:

Turk Broda - 2.52 - 1.98
broda was a money goalie

imagine what the leafs would had accomplished if he hadnt faught in WWII


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05-10-2007, 12:32 AM
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Goaltenders in the top-50

0014-1952/1971-18-G-0967-0443-209-090-00-0-0-07-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-3-6-1-01-6-Y-3171,5-Hall Glenn
0015-1952/1973-18-G-0922-0477-209-134-00-1-0-03-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-7-1-1-06-4-Y-3089,5-Plante Jacques
0019-1984/2003-19-G-1056-0561-248-152-00-0-1-04-2-0-0-00-0-0-0-3-2-3-04-1-Y-2668,5-Roy Patrick
0020-1949/1970-21-G-1069-0492-206-107-00-0-0-03-4-0-0-00-0-0-0-4-2-2-04-3-Y-2654,0-Sawchuk Terry
0023-1990/2006-14-G-0665-0336-097-053-00-2-1-06-0-0-0-00-0-0-0-6-0-0-01-2-F-2585,0-Hasek Dominik
0024-1970/1979-08-G-0397-0258-150-107-00-0-1-05-1-0-0-00-0-0-0-5-0-1-06-0-Y-2487,0-Dryden Ken
0025-1917/1930-13-G-0887-0480-138-082-00-1-0-05-3-0-0-00-0-0-0-5-2-0-04-1-Y-2468,0-Benedict Clint
0038-1943/1950-07-G-0498-0277-090-054-01-0-1-06-0-0-0-00-0-0-0-6-0-0-02-1-Y-2124,5-Durnan Bill
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Peak Value - "HHOF Monitor" PTS, best 5 seasons (they don’t have to be consecutive)

#Player"HHOF Monitor" PTS
9Dominik "The Dominator" Hasek 2139,00
13Jacques "Jake The Snake" Plante 1993,50
15Ken "Octopus" Dryden 1931,50
17Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk 1852,50
18Bill "The Mirror Man" Durnan 1838,00
19Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict 1714,00
30Frank "Mr. Zero" Brimsek 1515,50
33Cecil "Tiny" Thompson 1504,50
43Patrick "St. Patrick" Roy 1452,00
44Glenn "Mr. Goalie" Hall 1446,00
46Georges "The Chicoutimi Cucumber" Vezina 1439,00
47Walter "Turk" Broda 1432,00

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05-10-2007, 12:48 AM
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The Vancouver Canucks round out their forwards and select Kirk Maltby as well as Brian Rolston, a player who has proven himself to be able to play under a Lemaire system and excel in the process

Naslund - Schmidt - Conacher
Graves - Broten - Sandstrom
Maltby - Staal - Loob
Rolston - Skrudland - Bellows
Zezel

Orr - Foote
Kasatonov - Horner
Ragulin - Hall
Macoun

Richter
Druzilla
XXXXXX

An allright lineup that for some reason seems off to me.
Same here. I think it's a lack of a an intimidating offensive line (compared to some of the other teams). None of the forwards jump out at me. It could also be that you are lacking a Swede on your fourth line. Also the three players that have played (or are currently playing for) Minnesota jump out at me but I believe that's because the North Stars are a mystery to me.

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05-10-2007, 12:58 AM
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Same here. I think it's a lack of a an intimidating offensive line (compared to some of the other teams). None of the forwards jump out at me. It could also be that you are lacking a Swede on your fourth line. Also the three players that have played (or are currently playing for) Minnesota jump out at me but I believe that's because the North Stars are a mystery to me.
Actually, Schmidt and Conacher are formidable offensive players. Schmidt was a four-time all-star, and an Art Ross and a Hart Trophy winner who sacrificed some of the best years of his career to serve in the Second World War. A strong two-way presence, too.

Charlie Conacher was an excellent goal scorer whose wrist shot reputedly dented rink boards. Known as the Big Bomber, he was 6'1" and over 200 pounds. Two Art Ross Trophies and led the league in goals five times.

Outside of that, there are some scoring deficiencies, but he should get enough offence from Conacher, Orr and Schmidt to be very competitive.

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05-10-2007, 01:08 AM
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broda was a money goalie

imagien what the leafs would had accomplished if he hadnt faught in WWII
I hate to ask this because I know the answer but how many battles did he face? He served in the military but the majority of NHLers did so on Army/Navy/Air Force teams where they didn't face any combat. To say they "faught (sic) in WWII" is incorrect.

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To me, Hasek and Plante are #1/#1B, Sawchuk and Roy are #3/#3B and Brodeur and Hall are #5/#5B, then Benedict is 7th, Dryden 8th, Gardiner 9th, Broda 10th, Holocek 11th, Durnan 12th, Parent 13th, Tretiak 14th, Brimsek 15th, Bower 16th, Hainsworth 17th, Smith 18th, Fuhr 19th, and Thompson 20th.

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1-Jacques Plante
2-Terry Sawchuk
3-Patrick Roy
4-Dominik Hasek
5-Glenn Hall
6-Martin Brodeur
7-Bill Durnan
8-Ken Dryden
9-Turk Broda
10-Clint Benedict
11-Chuck Gardiner
12-Vladislav Tretiak
13-Georges Hainsworth
14-Ed Belfour
15-Bernard Parent
16-Frank Brismek
17-Tiny Thompson
18-Billy Smith
19-Johnny Bower
20-Jiri Holocek
21-Grant Fuhr
22-Georges Vezina
23-Tony Esposito
24-Chuck Rayner
25-Alec Connell
26-Ed Giacomin
27-Gerry Cheevers
28-Rogatien Vachon

Tougher to assemble than I anticipate ...


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And again, just like in my last draft, Mannheim picks
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I think Ogo's formula would suggest that Hall would be #1.
I'm not that big on Ogo's thing. At first he had rated Coffey over Potvin by a wide margin. IMO its way to stats heavy and a person can't judge players like Francis, Trottier and Stevens off of stats or awards.

For me Hall is #1 because he didn't play on teams like Plante and Sawchuk did. Both were on some of the best teams of all time and it stands to reason that better teams do better in the playoffs. Also if you watch those old games you can see that Hall was just sickening. The guy was very tough to beat down low because of the butterfly style but the main thing was that he had arms like whips and its noted by a lot of hockey historians that he had superior arm speed to both Plante and Sawchuk.

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I'm not that big on Ogo's thing. At first he had rated Coffey over Potvin by a wide margin. IMO its way to stats heavy and a person can't judge players like Francis, Trottier and Stevens off of stats or awards.

For me Hall is #1 because he didn't play on teams like Plante and Sawchuk did. Both were on some of the best teams of all time and it stands to reason that better teams do better in the playoffs. Also if you watch those old games you can see that Hall was just sickening. The guy was very tough to beat down low because of the butterfly style but the main thing was that he had arms like whips and its noted by a lot of hockey historians that he had superior arm speed to both Plante and Sawchuk.
Since Hall and Plante actually played together in St. Louis, we can see how they might have done if they swapped spots.

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Also if you watch those old games you can see that Hall was just sickening.
That was what I was talking about in an earlier post. If you watch old tape of him his athleticism/skill level looks miles above other goalies of his era and of the era before him. Granted I don't know much about tending goal since I can't even skate but from watching more hockey than I can fathom, his "eyeball test" is higher than most any other pre-expansion era goalie.

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Interesting tidbit I just found out today.

The Aurora Tigers are currently battling it out in Prince George for the Royal Bank Cup. (Canadian Jr A)

They're playing the Camrose Kodiaks tonight who defeated the Nanaimo Clippers earlier for the Doyle Cup. (Pacific Region Jr A)

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Interesting tidbit I just found out today.

The Aurora Tigers are currently battling it out in Prince George for the Royal Bank Cup. (Canadian Jr A)

They're playing the Camrose Kodiaks tonight who defeated the Nanaimo Clippers earlier for the Doyle Cup. (Pacific Region Jr A)
Camrose has been my pick all year for the national title. They've been close before in 2003 and 2005 (lost in the final to SJHL teams Humboldt and Weyburn). Camrose also beat the Flin Flon Bombers in the national final in 2001.

Those who watch junior A closely will likely remember the national final in 2005. Camrose tied the game with 40 seconds left in the third period. The Weyburn player dumped the puck in, the Camrose goalie botched the puck, and the Weyburn player snuck in and scored with 18 seconds remaining. I was standing behind the Camrose net when it happened. If you thought the end to Game 5 with Vancouver/Anaheim was bizarre, that was nothing compared to this. In Weyburn, too, so the fans went bonkers.

Camrose has much better goaltending, too. But I guess I should save this for the Royal Bank Cup thread.

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And of course I have to mention that my hometown AAA senior team, the Ft St John Flyers beat out the Trail Smoke Eaters for the Savage Cup.

They went on to lose in the 5th and final game to the Bentley Generals for the right to go to the Allan Cup. Bentley is currently being coached by Brian Sutter.

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And of course I have to mention that my hometown AAA senior team, the Ft St John Flyers beat out the Trail Smoke Eaters for the Savage Cup.

They went on to lose in the 5th and final game to the Bentley Generals for the right to go to the Allan Cup. Bentley is currently being coached by Brian Sutter.
Trust me, Murph, the Oilers will not enjoy a similar fate as the Ft. St. John Flyers.

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And of course I have to mention that my hometown AAA senior team, the Ft St John Flyers beat out the Trail Smoke Eaters for the Savage Cup.

They went on to lose in the 5th and final game to the Bentley Generals for the right to go to the Allan Cup. Bentley is currently being coached by Brian Sutter.
The Senior Smoke Eaters aren't all that great this year from everything I've heard. Or I should say wern't all that great. They went to the maritimes earlier this year and just got smoked in every game. Pun intended.

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HO's time is running out. He did send me a list a couple days ago for when he picked Ashbee. I'll announce his pick now (since I can't tell if he's on-line) and hope it's the guy he wants.

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select: RW Jim Peplinski.

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