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01-01-2004, 05:20 AM
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On draft day I was hoping for Dustin Brown & Anthony Stewart, but after now watching them all play, I am very glad we have Carter and Richards.


We needed centerman, and we got 2 very very good ones.

Carter is big, and he can fly. for thoose that haven't seen him play, his skating ability is top notch (think Modano). He still needs to fill out a little more, but he's already put on weight since the draft. He was also leading the OHL in goals before he left for the WJC. Another plus is that he has been absolutely dominant on face-offs in the WJC.

The more I heard about Richards before I got to see him play the more I liked. When someone like Darryl Sutter comes out and says, "If Phaneuf wasn't available at #9, I was taking Mike Richards." is pretty incredible.

He was the MVP of the Kitchener Rangers last year, the team that won the Memorial Cup. He doesn't have great size, but he's very solid and strong in his skates. He has wide stance of Forsberg, and is very tough to knock off the puck. He's very good defensively, and is a great playmaker. His line with Stewart & Dawes has been Canada's best so far.


Another positive is that Canada has been using Carter & Richards together to kill penalties.


Our future down the middle 6 months ago looked bleak other than Handzus, not it's is the strength of our organization.

Handzus, Comrie, Sharp, Carter, and Richards.

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01-01-2004, 08:07 AM
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As good as Richards and Carter have been so far, Parise and Stewart are better. Mind you, I am not unhappy with our picks, and we would not have gotten Stewart with our late pick anyway. It still kills me the Devils landed Parise.

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01-01-2004, 08:32 AM
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As good as Richards and Carter have been so far, Parise and Stewart are better. Mind you, I am not unhappy with our picks, and we would not have gotten Stewart with our late pick anyway. It still kills me the Devils landed Parise.
I don't think Parise will be the NHL player Carter will. The Carter-Sundin comparism is a good one where Parise reminds me of maybe a little more skilled Daniel Briere.

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01-01-2004, 09:52 AM
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Here is a cool pic of Richards I found from the tourney.

<img src=http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cpress/20031229/capt.s122953a.jpg>

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As good as Richards and Carter have been so far, Parise and Stewart are better. Mind you, I am not unhappy with our picks, and we would not have gotten Stewart with our late pick anyway. It still kills me the Devils landed Parise.
Have you caught them in any game action or are you just going on reports?

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Pierre McGuire and Gord Miller of TSN have been praising Philly's scouting the last couple of games for getting Carter and Richards. They said at one point that Richards reminds them of Clarke when he played and that Philly has a pretty good looking future with the two of them. McGuire thinks that Philly's drafting has been just as good as Jersey's, so instead of complaining about who we didn't draft why not be happy with who we did, because at the moment the future's looking pretty good (provided Clarke doesn't trade them away).

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Here is a cool pic of Richards I found from the tourney.

<img src=http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cpress/20031229/capt.s122953a.jpg>
That was the play that caused the penalty shot (goalie threw his stick to stop the goal). I love that pic!

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With Carter and Richards at center at what you guys already have with the Flyers I really haven't seen a team with this much impressive depth at that postion in a long time. Needless to say this is a postion you won't have to worry about for a long time. :mad:

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With Carter and Richards at center at what you guys already have with the Flyers I really haven't seen a team with this much impressive depth at that postion in a long time. Needless to say this is a postion you won't have to worry about for a long time. :mad:
A couple years ago I remember the joke was we were the Philadelphia Helicopters, since we were all center and no wings.

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01-02-2004, 04:07 AM
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A couple years ago I remember the joke was we were the Philadelphia Helicopters, since we were all center and no wings.
That's true...in the next draft, we need to bulk up on the wings. But we won't have any first round pick in 2004! Unless with a future trade...

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01-02-2004, 05:55 AM
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TSN is covering the Czech Rep./Slovakia quarterfinal, which is airing right now. The winner plays Canada tomorrow in one semi-final (Canada finished first in their pool, so they get a bye into the semi-finals). I'm going for the Slovaks, I'd like to see Ruzicka vs. Carter and Richards.

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01-02-2004, 08:49 AM
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TSN is covering the Czech Rep./Slovakia quarterfinal, which is airing right now. The winner plays Canada tomorrow in one semi-final (Canada finished first in their pool, so they get a bye into the semi-finals). I'm going for the Slovaks, I'd like to see Ruzicka vs. Carter and Richards.
Well, Ruzicka didn't play great but had an assist on of the Slovak goals. I'm glad they got knocked out, we're really struggling without him.

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Well, Ruzicka didn't play great but had an assist on of the Slovak goals.
True, and Pierre McGuire did not fail to point out his 3rd period dive.

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01-03-2004, 04:39 AM
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I'm hearing Hudler's diving was a near crime.

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In today's game vs. the Czechs Carter had a shorthanded goal and a PP goal. Richards also had a goal in their 7-1 win. Too bad I can't see these games. I'd love to see these guys in game action. They both seem like the real deal.

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Nice number here:

Richards +10, this can be broken down to +10 and -0 for the tournament so far, seems like he knows his stuff defensively

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I caught the 2/3 periods on TSN.
Carter looked OK, too much idle circles but great hands.
Richards was great - quick and tough with Stewart were real hard to handle.
Phaneuf had a crushing hit - sure he got tossed from the game but all the comparisons to Stevens looked accurate today.

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I had a chance to watch the Canada/Czech game today and as the tournament has gone on, Carter has gotten better and better and better. I read somewhere where his coach in the Sault said that Carter reminds him a lot of Mats Sundin. I have no qualms with this comparison and actually think that Jeff reminds me a lot of a cross between Modano and Sakic. He has the skating ability of Modano, the scoring ability of Sakic and probably the defensive awareness of Modano as well. Jeff will never be the most physical player, but he won't shy away from the rough stuff either. I've never believed that you need to be a brute in order to be successful in the league. However, I think it would benefit Jeff if he did develop a little bit of a mean streak. As for Mike Richards, he reminds me a lot of a cross between Mike Ricci and Doug Gilmour. I've complained for years that when the Flyers dealt Ricci for that punk who is now in New York, we probably lost one of the best two way players in the game and did nothing to replace the devil on skates. Well, I think Richards will more than suffice. He'll be a heart and soul leader like Gilmour and should the league ever decide to open up the game again and allow the talented players to play, Richards could easily score between 70 and 80 points. I also watched the US/Finland game today and can honestly say that if Zach Parise doesn't make it as a hockey player, he can at least be a professional diver......

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01-06-2004, 03:28 PM
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Carter was named to the tournament all-star team (with Parise and Filpulla). I'm not sure why...he was good, but not THAT good. I'd have chosen Stewart before Carter.

Anyway, Carter is big and fast, lethal at the faceoff circle, and great on the PK. He has a ton of natural ability.

Richards has less natural ability, but he is a very smart hockey player, equally good as Carter on the PK (real fun to watch them paired together), and not bad taking faceoffs either (though not as good as Carter). You know that when he is on the ice he will always give 100%. He's an easy fan-favorite. I love what he brings to the game.

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01-06-2004, 04:25 PM
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Carter was named to the tournament all-star team (with Parise and Filpulla). I'm not sure why...he was good, but not THAT good. I'd have chosen Stewart before Carter.

I disagree, IMO Stewart was the 4th best Canadian forward.

I thought Carter, Richards and Dawes were all better than Stewart.

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01-06-2004, 04:55 PM
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Ok, so can we all finally agree that the Flyers have two crown jewels in their system in Richards and Carter and that there will be no more talk about how the Flyers should have chosen other players instead? I like to think that we now have our center positions stocked, our wingers are in good shape, and our defense isn't too bad. I'd also like to think that David Tremblay in Gatineau will be our future stopper. Of course, if Clarke can find a way to get back into the first round to draft someone like Montoya, I'd have no problem with that either.

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Carter was recognized because he was given the assignment of playing against the opponent's top line from the beginning of the tournament to the end and STILL put up the points like he did. You want to see someone dominate the tournament, give someone else the checking center role next year and let his line focus primarily on offense. Save this post as I predict he leads the tournmant in scoring next year.

BTW, I tried to bring up some posts from last year just after the draft to call everyone on what they said about the selection of Carter, but it wouldn't let me go that far back. If anyone knows how to go as far back as last June, it would be appreciated.

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BTW, I tried to bring up some posts from last year just after the draft to call everyone on what they said about the selection of Carter, but it wouldn't let me go that far back. If anyone knows how to go as far back as last June, it would be appreciated.

The board was wiped out and all the old posts were lost. I believe it happened around August or so, so anything before that is gone.

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I'd also like to think that David Tremblay in Gatineau will be our future stopper.
Just for an update for you guys concerning Tremblay.. i've seen ALOT of the 'Piques games this year, and i had missed all of last year because i was out of town. Tremblay didn't impress me much in the first half, and i was calling for the Piques to trade to get another goalie (since they will be trying to win the championship this year). Lately, my opinion of him is changing for the better. He's played some VERY solid hockey since mid-december. I was at the game in Victoriaville where the Piques won 2-1 and he won the game all by himself.

The next night vs Drummondville in Hull, he held his team in there for the 2-2 tie.

The Piques have been playing sloppy for a while now.. and IMO they need a dman or 2.. and if they get that before friday, they will be real contenders to the mem cup and Tremblay's numbers would improve even more (since their D has been suspect at times).

I'll come back here to update once in a while :p

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I disagree, IMO Stewart was the 4th best Canadian forward.

I thought Carter, Richards and Dawes were all better than Stewart.
Richards was not ahead of either Dawes or Stewart.

Top Canadian forwards...

1. Anthony Stewart
2. Jeff Carter
3. Nigel Dawes
4. Sidney Crosby

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